European Ford with an engine larger than 3.0 litres?
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anonymous said:
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Don’t think the cable got stuck, the floor mat use to raise over the throttle pedal, so that when you pushed the brake pedal it also pushed the throttle too. As for mpg, really no worse than a Range Rover 3.9 V8 and similar power. The 4 litre V6 is a Cologne engine, used in UK market vehicles in 2.8 and 2.9 litre form. The 4.0 litre in SOHC guise went on to be used in the S197 Mustang in 2005-2011 and as the entry level engine in the D3 for ROW markets.
Pericoloso said:
Does the Sierra XR8 count ?
European Ford model with made for South Africa spec....
The Sierra was sold in the USA too, badged as a Merkur. European Ford model with made for South Africa spec....
Although it was assembled in Germany. But then the current Ford Ranger is assembled in Thailand, Argentina, N. America and other places. Nothing in Europe though.
300bhp/ton said:
f1nn said:
Ford Explorer had a 4.0, and was sold in RHD for the U.K. market, although clearly based upon an American Market vehicle.
Like almost every Ford sold in the UK ever apart from maybe the early Fiesta and gen one KA. 
Pretty much every Ford ever sold in the UK (with a few exceptions) was designed and engineered in the UK or mainland Europe. Some of these were also sold in the US (the Sierra, Granada and Focus spring to mind initially), but these were European market designs that happened to also be sold in the US, not the other way around.
300bhp/ton said:
f1nn said:
Ford Explorer had a 4.0, and was sold in RHD for the U.K. market, although clearly based upon an American Market vehicle.
Like almost every Ford sold in the UK ever apart from maybe the early Fiesta and gen one KA. My point is that the Explorer was not designed as a U.K. car from conception, but shoe horned in to fill a niche that was growing rapidly in the U.K., for the same manner as the Nissan Terrano was rapidly badge engineered to become the mk1 Maverick in the U.K. The Toyota RAV4 caught most of the big brands napping.
300bhp/ton said:
Pericoloso said:
Does the Sierra XR8 count ?
European Ford model with made for South Africa spec....
The Sierra was sold in the USA too, badged as a Merkur. European Ford model with made for South Africa spec....
Although it was assembled in Germany. But then the current Ford Ranger is assembled in Thailand, Argentina, N. America and other places. Nothing in Europe though.
The Merkur sold in the USA had a smaller engine than the same body style was sold with in the U.K., 2.3 4 pot rather than a 2.8 cologne V6 in the XR4i, although it did have a turbo strapped to it.
f1nn said:
Although the temptation was to list almost every European Ford model produced prior to the early 90’s, when i’ll concede that Ford started a globalisation of “world car” platforms, and I’m thinking Mondeo/Contour here, although I’m sure someone has or will post a picture of an XR4i/Merkur, but that is different thing.
And even then, the CDW27 Mondeo/Contour was led from the Dunton engineering centre in the UK. Carfield said:
300bhp/ton said:
Like almost every Ford sold in the UK ever apart from maybe the early Fiesta and gen one KA.
Enlighten me: On which US models were, for example, the Anglia, Cortina (any of them) or Granada, or for that matter the Capri based on?f1nn said:
Although the temptation was to list almost every European Ford model produced prior to the early 90’s, when i’ll concede that Ford started a globalisation of “world car” platforms, and I’m thinking Mondeo/Contour here, although I’m sure someone has or will post a picture of an XR4i/Merkur, but that is different thing.
My point is that the Explorer was not designed as a U.K. car from conception, but shoe horned in to fill a niche that was growing rapidly in the U.K., for the same manner as the Nissan Terrano was rapidly badge engineered to become the mk1 Maverick in the U.K. The Toyota RAV4 caught most of the big brands napping.
My point is that the Explorer was not designed as a U.K. car from conception, but shoe horned in to fill a niche that was growing rapidly in the U.K., for the same manner as the Nissan Terrano was rapidly badge engineered to become the mk1 Maverick in the U.K. The Toyota RAV4 caught most of the big brands napping.
Carfield said:
Enlighten me: On which US models were, for example, the Anglia, Cortina (any of them) or Granada, or for that matter the Capri based on?
First off, I'm hoping to just keep this jovial motoring chat, I haven't got an agenda on this. Just wanted to make this clear up front. 
@Carfield, I did say most. But obviously there will be a few.
I think the challenge comes in what do you call a particular country make or model?
For instance, is this a Japanese car?
It wears a Honda badge, but the car was actually built (as in assembled) by Rover, here in the UK.
This car was designed for the US market and all but a handful for R&D where built for and sold in N. America. So does it make it British or American?
This car was also largely designed for the US market and was also built over in the USA. Although the parent company sold them in other markets too, all were built in the USA.
Toyota are also have major car manufacturing plants in the UK and, like others registered companies here.
But I'm not sure many would really call any Toyota a British car.
I think the trouble comes from the fact Ford where very very clever in the early days. And despite being a "foreign" car maker. Managed to ingrain themselves in the UK as a "home" brand, even though they never really where.
Ford certainly did make Europe only models. But quite a few where sold in other markets too.
Here is a 1971 Mercury Capri:
The last part of the first sentence here says it all really:
On this basis, I think the RHD Ford Explorer is as much a UK model as any other UK model sold over here, by whom ever. But it doesn't alter the fact that a Focus or a Mondeo are actually American cars.
Carfield said:
300bhp/ton said:
Like almost every Ford sold in the UK ever apart from maybe the early Fiesta and gen one KA.
Enlighten me: On which US models were, for example, the Anglia, Cortina (any of them) or Granada, or for that matter the Capri based on?Oh, and while not strictly a production car, Ford AVO at Aveley built a single Mk1 Granada V8, fitted with a 302 V8
300bhp/ton said:
On this basis, I think the RHD Ford Explorer is as much a UK model as any other UK model sold over here, by whom ever. But it doesn't alter the fact that a Focus or a Mondeo are actually American cars.
In which case, the Ford Laser (as it was called in Aus) is Japanese, since it was a re-badged Mazda 323. I'd call it Japanese.
300bhp/ton said:
For instance, is this a Japanese car?
It wears a Honda badge, but the car was actually built (as in assembled) by Rover, here in the UK.
No it wasn't. It wears a Honda badge, but the car was actually built (as in assembled) by Rover, here in the UK.
Had you put up a picture of an original Legend, a Ballade, a Concerto or a (cough) Crossroad you'd have been right though.
AW111 said:
300bhp/ton said:
On this basis, I think the RHD Ford Explorer is as much a UK model as any other UK model sold over here, by whom ever. But it doesn't alter the fact that a Focus or a Mondeo are actually American cars.
In which case, the Ford Laser (as it was called in Aus) is Japanese, since it was a re-badged Mazda 323. I'd call it Japanese.
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