RE: TVR production likely delayed by factory setback
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I'd be a little concerned by this. Given that estimates are generally hopelessly optimistic this feels like 18 months plus before cars can be delivered. That's 18 months of just cash out and nothing in and the whole car market moving on.
They'll be the first to admit that they are new to this game and there will be plenty more pitfalls along the way to catch them out.
I just hope they have the contingency plans in place. A 2 million loan is nothing in car development...
They'll be the first to admit that they are new to this game and there will be plenty more pitfalls along the way to catch them out.
I just hope they have the contingency plans in place. A 2 million loan is nothing in car development...
clarkey said:
I would write the tender document in Welsh and insist on Welsh language replies, that would discourage responses from the rest of Europe and is entirely legal.
Is this the only positive comment and observation on the story? Brilliant idea and ALL the best to TVR's future! clarkey said:
I would write the tender document in Welsh and insist on Welsh language replies, that would discourage responses from the rest of Europe and is entirely legal.
Not true. they have to be produced bilingually, there is then the option to employ the Welsh speaking applicant, as long as the respondent is employed within that company . . . . . what'll speed it all up will be to put a short turnaround on it. the number of translators currently capable of it are absolute minimum. Welsh Language Standards has been the bane of my work life for 9 months already CO2000 said:
clarkey said:
I would write the tender document in Welsh and insist on Welsh language replies, that would discourage responses from the rest of Europe and is entirely legal.
Good shllllout RacerMike said:
If only 75% of the components have been sourced, they're miles away from a saleable car anyway. Even if all 100% of it was sourced, they'd need a minimum of 18 months to develop the car into something that works properly, and given the complete lack of their presence at any industry development locations, I'd suggest they haven't even started development yet.
I look forward to their return, but it's possible the owners are starting to realise that it's a long old road from concept to production these days.
This ^^^ x 100I look forward to their return, but it's possible the owners are starting to realise that it's a long old road from concept to production these days.
I've always said there claimed timing was ridiculously optimistic, right from the word go, even assuming a decent funding (and credit) path. So far, they've (hand) built a single prototype using prototype (not off-tools or off-process) parts, well sorry, i hate to break it to you, but that amounts to nothing more than a show car really (and the big OE's, and even some small ones, now build several of those every year to do the show rounds). Getting from that protoype to a validated, warranted "Line built" production version is massively, massively time consuming and hugely costly. If they want to get to market in the near future (before the car becomes obsolete itself) then they need to build a short series of hand built prototypes and sell 'em to keen buyers who are happy to put up with the (inevitable) foibles to drive a unique car........
(also, i wonder by what rating the "25%" as yet un-sourced is calculated? By mass, by cost, by number? The big ticket items (enigne/gearbox/chassis etc) are actually the easy bits, it's the small, complex, fiddly bits like door seals, or sunvisors, or internal window channels etc etc that generally cause the snagging list to grow at an alarming rate as most prototypes move towards production)
Max_Torque said:
RacerMike said:
If only 75% of the components have been sourced, they're miles away from a saleable car anyway. Even if all 100% of it was sourced, they'd need a minimum of 18 months to develop the car into something that works properly, and given the complete lack of their presence at any industry development locations, I'd suggest they haven't even started development yet.
I look forward to their return, but it's possible the owners are starting to realise that it's a long old road from concept to production these days.
This ^^^ x 100I look forward to their return, but it's possible the owners are starting to realise that it's a long old road from concept to production these days.
I've always said there claimed timing was ridiculously optimistic, right from the word go, even assuming a decent funding (and credit) path. So far, they've (hand) built a single prototype using prototype (not off-tools or off-process) parts, well sorry, i hate to break it to you, but that amounts to nothing more than a show car really (and the big OE's, and even some small ones, now build several of those every year to do the show rounds). Getting from that protoype to a validated, warranted "Line built" production version is massively, massively time consuming and hugely costly. If they want to get to market in the near future (before the car becomes obsolete itself) then they need to build a short series of hand built prototypes and sell 'em to keen buyers who are happy to put up with the (inevitable) foibles to drive a unique car........
(also, i wonder by what rating the "25%" as yet un-sourced is calculated? By mass, by cost, by number? The big ticket items (enigne/gearbox/chassis etc) are actually the easy bits, it's the small, complex, fiddly bits like door seals, or sunvisors, or internal window channels etc etc that generally cause the snagging list to grow at an alarming rate as most prototypes move towards production)
illuminating
Ares said:
redroadster said:
It's old before it even gets made .
Not good looking
Performance nothing special
Over priced and quality won't be up to scratch
Doomed.
You been at a Jeremy Corbyn convention for the day? Jeez.....Not good looking
Performance nothing special
Over priced and quality won't be up to scratch
Doomed.
Have a beer and lighten up a little.
Oh come on, OJEU isn't exactly rocket science to anyone with any sales or procurement experience. If they really wanted an operational factory by Q1, the time to do this process was a long time ago indeed!
I also thinking "blame the government" is a very, very poor line if their leadership wants any credibility. If they want to actually deliver, their leadership team can't accept excuses for failure, they have to act in advance to prevent failure.
I also thinking "blame the government" is a very, very poor line if their leadership wants any credibility. If they want to actually deliver, their leadership team can't accept excuses for failure, they have to act in advance to prevent failure.
Firstly, I genuinely wish them the best of luck to get this sorted out as quickly as possible ...
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speak to Hilco - loads of Homebase warehouses will be empty and available in January....
Alternatively - Ford have a factory in Wales that is about to have spare capacity if the stories about the bloke who wants to build a defender look alike is to be believed - alternatively - speak to AM - they seem to have been able to get a factory together in Wales pretty quickly on all accounts - with some interesting Welsh government underwriting.
Maybe AM will sell/lease them part of it and let TVR use their new test track ... maybe those AM shareholders could get a share price rise of a couple of pence out of it ....
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speak to Hilco - loads of Homebase warehouses will be empty and available in January....
Alternatively - Ford have a factory in Wales that is about to have spare capacity if the stories about the bloke who wants to build a defender look alike is to be believed - alternatively - speak to AM - they seem to have been able to get a factory together in Wales pretty quickly on all accounts - with some interesting Welsh government underwriting.
Maybe AM will sell/lease them part of it and let TVR use their new test track ... maybe those AM shareholders could get a share price rise of a couple of pence out of it ....
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It smells and it's a familiar story and one that seems to afflict 95% of ALL new ventures in the car making world. Lots of noise, lots of ambitions, loads of images of people smiling and patting backs, a mule seen testing, most noise around the first 100000000 they have already sold.....then, it all turns to st.
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