RE: TVR production likely delayed by factory setback

RE: TVR production likely delayed by factory setback

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CO2000

3,177 posts

208 months

Monday 3rd December 2018
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clarkey said:
I would write the tender document in Welsh and insist on Welsh language replies, that would discourage responses from the rest of Europe and is entirely legal.
Good shllllout biggrin

BigChiefmuffinAgain

1,054 posts

97 months

Monday 3rd December 2018
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I'd be a little concerned by this. Given that estimates are generally hopelessly optimistic this feels like 18 months plus before cars can be delivered. That's 18 months of just cash out and nothing in and the whole car market moving on.

They'll be the first to admit that they are new to this game and there will be plenty more pitfalls along the way to catch them out.

I just hope they have the contingency plans in place. A 2 million loan is nothing in car development...

motul1974

721 posts

138 months

Monday 3rd December 2018
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clarkey said:
I would write the tender document in Welsh and insist on Welsh language replies, that would discourage responses from the rest of Europe and is entirely legal.
Is this the only positive comment and observation on the story? Brilliant idea and ALL the best to TVR's future!

RyanTank

2,850 posts

153 months

Monday 3rd December 2018
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clarkey said:
I would write the tender document in Welsh and insist on Welsh language replies, that would discourage responses from the rest of Europe and is entirely legal.
Not true. they have to be produced bilingually, there is then the option to employ the Welsh speaking applicant, as long as the respondent is employed within that company . . . . . what'll speed it all up will be to put a short turnaround on it. the number of translators currently capable of it are absolute minimum. Welsh Language Standards has been the bane of my work life for 9 months already banghead

hufggfg

654 posts

192 months

Monday 3rd December 2018
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CO2000 said:
clarkey said:
I would write the tender document in Welsh and insist on Welsh language replies, that would discourage responses from the rest of Europe and is entirely legal.
Good shllllout biggrin
The tender is for the renovation of the factory... so it’s kind of in their interest that as many people as possible bid, as they might get it done cheaper/faster!


Phil Dicky

7,162 posts

262 months

Monday 3rd December 2018
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HorneyMX5 said:
Cold said:
Strange they're having factory problems. Can't they just construct a crude frame then glue the outer walls on?
Have a clap and a laugh

Post of the day.
Deserves another smile

redroadster

1,729 posts

231 months

Monday 3rd December 2018
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It's old before it even gets made .
Not good looking
Performance nothing special
Over priced and quality won't be up to scratch
Doomed.

Ares

11,000 posts

119 months

Monday 3rd December 2018
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redroadster said:
It's old before it even gets made .
Not good looking
Performance nothing special
Over priced and quality won't be up to scratch
Doomed.
You been at a Jeremy Corbyn convention for the day? Jeez.....

Have a beer and lighten up a little.

anonymous-user

53 months

Monday 3rd December 2018
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RacerMike said:
If only 75% of the components have been sourced, they're miles away from a saleable car anyway. Even if all 100% of it was sourced, they'd need a minimum of 18 months to develop the car into something that works properly, and given the complete lack of their presence at any industry development locations, I'd suggest they haven't even started development yet.

I look forward to their return, but it's possible the owners are starting to realise that it's a long old road from concept to production these days.
This ^^^ x 100

I've always said there claimed timing was ridiculously optimistic, right from the word go, even assuming a decent funding (and credit) path. So far, they've (hand) built a single prototype using prototype (not off-tools or off-process) parts, well sorry, i hate to break it to you, but that amounts to nothing more than a show car really (and the big OE's, and even some small ones, now build several of those every year to do the show rounds). Getting from that protoype to a validated, warranted "Line built" production version is massively, massively time consuming and hugely costly. If they want to get to market in the near future (before the car becomes obsolete itself) then they need to build a short series of hand built prototypes and sell 'em to keen buyers who are happy to put up with the (inevitable) foibles to drive a unique car........

(also, i wonder by what rating the "25%" as yet un-sourced is calculated? By mass, by cost, by number? The big ticket items (enigne/gearbox/chassis etc) are actually the easy bits, it's the small, complex, fiddly bits like door seals, or sunvisors, or internal window channels etc etc that generally cause the snagging list to grow at an alarming rate as most prototypes move towards production)

unsprung

5,467 posts

123 months

Monday 3rd December 2018
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Max_Torque said:
RacerMike said:
If only 75% of the components have been sourced, they're miles away from a saleable car anyway. Even if all 100% of it was sourced, they'd need a minimum of 18 months to develop the car into something that works properly, and given the complete lack of their presence at any industry development locations, I'd suggest they haven't even started development yet.

I look forward to their return, but it's possible the owners are starting to realise that it's a long old road from concept to production these days.
This ^^^ x 100

I've always said there claimed timing was ridiculously optimistic, right from the word go, even assuming a decent funding (and credit) path. So far, they've (hand) built a single prototype using prototype (not off-tools or off-process) parts, well sorry, i hate to break it to you, but that amounts to nothing more than a show car really (and the big OE's, and even some small ones, now build several of those every year to do the show rounds). Getting from that protoype to a validated, warranted "Line built" production version is massively, massively time consuming and hugely costly. If they want to get to market in the near future (before the car becomes obsolete itself) then they need to build a short series of hand built prototypes and sell 'em to keen buyers who are happy to put up with the (inevitable) foibles to drive a unique car........

(also, i wonder by what rating the "25%" as yet un-sourced is calculated? By mass, by cost, by number? The big ticket items (enigne/gearbox/chassis etc) are actually the easy bits, it's the small, complex, fiddly bits like door seals, or sunvisors, or internal window channels etc etc that generally cause the snagging list to grow at an alarming rate as most prototypes move towards production)
thanks for making the effort to explain / provide detail

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J4CKO

41,284 posts

199 months

Monday 3rd December 2018
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Ares said:
redroadster said:
It's old before it even gets made .
Not good looking
Performance nothing special
Over priced and quality won't be up to scratch
Doomed.
You been at a Jeremy Corbyn convention for the day? Jeez.....

Have a beer and lighten up a little.
I read his post as Private Fraser from Dads Army.

Wacky Racer

38,099 posts

246 months

Monday 3rd December 2018
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wab172uk said:
It's got the makings of another doomed British built cottage industry car maker. If it does get off the ground, someone must remind them to keep the same car design for the next 30 years.
Morgan have a full order book with a 70 year old design...smile

Some Gump

12,671 posts

185 months

Monday 3rd December 2018
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Oh come on, OJEU isn't exactly rocket science to anyone with any sales or procurement experience. If they really wanted an operational factory by Q1, the time to do this process was a long time ago indeed!

I also thinking "blame the government" is a very, very poor line if their leadership wants any credibility. If they want to actually deliver, their leadership team can't accept excuses for failure, they have to act in advance to prevent failure.

oilit

2,618 posts

177 months

Monday 3rd December 2018
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Firstly, I genuinely wish them the best of luck to get this sorted out as quickly as possible ...


[sarcastic head]

speak to Hilco - loads of Homebase warehouses will be empty and available in January....

Alternatively - Ford have a factory in Wales that is about to have spare capacity if the stories about the bloke who wants to build a defender look alike is to be believed - alternatively - speak to AM - they seem to have been able to get a factory together in Wales pretty quickly on all accounts - with some interesting Welsh government underwriting.

Maybe AM will sell/lease them part of it and let TVR use their new test track ... maybe those AM shareholders could get a share price rise of a couple of pence out of it ....

[/Sarcastic head]

J4CKO

41,284 posts

199 months

Monday 3rd December 2018
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I am sure many want to see them fail to prove what a supply chain expert they are.

TVR Manged before, sort of, for a good few years.

Why is it us Brits like to piss on our own stuff, unless its old, then it gets rattled on about as nauseum, the glory days.




Equus

16,767 posts

100 months

Monday 3rd December 2018
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J4CKO said:
TVR Manged before, sort of, for a good few years.
You know, you're right.

I've used a lot of derogatory adjectives for TVR's former products, but mangy is as good as any...

IMI A

9,410 posts

200 months

Monday 3rd December 2018
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Here we go again...

blade7

11,311 posts

215 months

Monday 3rd December 2018
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How many Stingrays could be converted to RHD for £2 million....

anonymous-user

53 months

Monday 3rd December 2018
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I love TVRs and have owned three of them over the years. I really do think that the company is jinxed in some way though as there never seems to be any good news. It’s almost as if the TVR name itself doesn’t want to be resurrected.

Housey

2,076 posts

226 months

Monday 3rd December 2018
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It smells and it's a familiar story and one that seems to afflict 95% of ALL new ventures in the car making world. Lots of noise, lots of ambitions, loads of images of people smiling and patting backs, a mule seen testing, most noise around the first 100000000 they have already sold.....then, it all turns to st.