RE: Litchfield Alpine A110: Driven
Discussion
rb_89 said:
This is the thing, people forget the R&D costs, sounds like Litchfield don't just ramp up the boost without proper testing etc and they obviously are confident enough in their work here to offer a warranty. It's not as though there are 1000's of these cars on the road either so will sell for more as they will sell far less than e.g. a remap for a popular car e.g. like a golf R.
i totally agree, its not the alpine remap that is expensive, its a golf GTI one, which they can sell thousands of that should be much cheaper. The work is the same (though the alpine is more expensive to buy), but the costs are split up on so many more cars.For those that have never modified a car (Or have no interest in doing so), £1100 for 50hp might seem steep. Having personally spent considerably more than that on engine / exhaust modifications for my old 350Z and getting no where near 50hp in return, it actually seems a very good deal. Obviously a turbo engine is far easier to squeeze hp from than a naturally aspirated one. Still, if I has an Alpine, this would be an absolute no brainer... minus the Litchfield stripe.
Paddy78 said:
For those that have never modified a car (Or have no interest in doing so), £1100 for 50hp might seem steep. Having personally spent considerably more than that on engine / exhaust modifications for my old 350Z and getting no where near 50hp in return, it actually seems a very good deal. Obviously a turbo engine is far easier to squeeze hp from than a naturally aspirated one. Still, if I has an Alpine, this would be an absolute no brainer... minus the Litchfield stripe.
Area under the curve though too, peak power is often just half the story.TX.
rb_89 said:
This is the thing, people forget the R&D costs, sounds like Litchfield don't just ramp up the boost without proper testing etc and they obviously are confident enough in their work here to offer a warranty. It's not as though there are 1000's of these cars on the road either so will sell for more as they will sell far less than e.g. a remap for a popular car e.g. like a golf R.
You would be surprised how little time it actually takes to perform ECU mapping and get a well running car.I haven't checked to see what ECU the A110 uses but most cars share the same base ECU with only a few varieties of software so it's not like you have to learn a completely new language.
If it took more than a couple of months of work in "spare" time I would be surprised.
This is such a promising car and Litchfield look like theyve done a great job. Brand aside (for me) I think its one of the few cars that tempt me away from my Lotus Evora S.
The looks though are......subjective. Really do nothing for me and the back end is just horrible. It looks so cheap.
The looks though are......subjective. Really do nothing for me and the back end is just horrible. It looks so cheap.
Paddy78 said:
For those that have never modified a car (Or have no interest in doing so), £1100 for 50hp might seem steep. Having personally spent considerably more than that on engine / exhaust modifications for my old 350Z and getting no where near 50hp in return, it actually seems a very good deal.
I remember when 60 bhp more from a Sierra RS Cosworth was £300...blade7 said:
Paddy78 said:
For those that have never modified a car (Or have no interest in doing so), £1100 for 50hp might seem steep. Having personally spent considerably more than that on engine / exhaust modifications for my old 350Z and getting no where near 50hp in return, it actually seems a very good deal.
I remember when 60 bhp more from a Sierra RS Cosworth was £300...Remapping does seem very expensive to me unless I'm missing something.
cerb4.5lee said:
I remember spending £800 for around 50bhp extra on my 200sx, plus I got a full decatted stainless steel mongoose/K&N cone filter/a set of colder plugs/an adjustable actuator for that money.
Remapping does seem very expensive to me unless I'm missing something.
All that and a tweak to the fuel pressure would add another 25 bhp to the Cos. And I reckon a Renault would be less fun to drive...Remapping does seem very expensive to me unless I'm missing something.
Mod's can certainly be pricey if you buy the brand name stuff brand new and pay for it to be fitted. I guess the bang per buck depends on the car, you'll never get that much extra power spending money on an NA. I've just spend just under £1k on turbo conversion parts, should be good for 100bhp...
cerb4.5lee said:
I remember spending £800 for around 50bhp extra on my 200sx, plus I got a full decatted stainless steel mongoose/K&N cone filter/a set of colder plugs/an adjustable actuator for that money.
Remapping does seem very expensive to me unless I'm missing something.
Depends on the carRemapping does seem very expensive to me unless I'm missing something.
Most cars IE Mk5 / Mk6 Golfs are still well under £500
Even new Mk7 GTI is around that to map.
But when you say you have a £80k car instead of a £30k car it seems the price goes up significantly.
Si_man306 said:
This is such a promising car and Litchfield look like theyve done a great job. Brand aside (for me) I think its one of the few cars that tempt me away from my Lotus Evora S.
The looks though are......subjective. Really do nothing for me and the back end is just horrible. It looks so cheap.
As you say looks are subjective. I would probably have bought an Evora 400 had I not preferred the A110. Looks didn't enter into the decision, though if they had they had the A110 would have had the nod. The rear 3/4 view of the Evora is a bid odd, to put it kindly. If people would refrain from publishing pictures of cars taken with their phones then fewer misleading impressions would be created. Professional photographers don't use wide angle lenses to photograph people because it exaggerates their features and makes them look ugly. Same thing goes for cars. The looks though are......subjective. Really do nothing for me and the back end is just horrible. It looks so cheap.
Edited by bcr5784 on Friday 7th December 02:59
bcr5784 said:
Terminator X said:
They won't answer it, totally awful at replying to emails.
TX.
I got an almost instant response to mine - though they ignored my query about the 320nm torque limit of the box and overheating on track on the standard car. I'm still tempted to give it a try. TX.
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