How does a electric car compare with a diesel performance

[kambites]

colin_p said:

I see a business opportunity.

Using diesel engined vans with diesel engined generators in the back to go out to and emergency charge dead flat and stranded electric cars.

You don't need the generator, just a diesel van and a tow rope.

[essayer]

kambites said:

You don't need the generator, just a diesel van and a tow rope.

You joke, but this guy (driven from the Netherlands to, so far, Australia in his converted EV) got stuck a few times, and got towed, regenerating while he did so:
https://twitter.com/WiebeWkkr/status/1054602522134...

Not as efficient energy-wise, but more efficient time-wise

[Herbs]

Surely that's what an i3 ReX is.

[Plug Life]

Herbs said:

Surely that's what an i3 ReX is.

Was, they stop selling it in Europe with the latest 120Ah model.

[Register1]

MrOrange said:

F4R said:

I was following a leaf once and both of us were stuck behind a slow moving HGV up a steep hill. To my amazement, the leaf successfully overtook it without any trouble. If you like diesel torque you'll love electric

A Nissan Leaf has 240lbft of torque. That’s more than my 3 litre, flat-6, Subaru Legacy Outback.

Still less than half of my wife's Touarag.

[otolith]

Comparing peak torque figures for powertrains with very different torque curves and gearing is pretty meaningless.

[996TT02]

otolith said:

Comparing peak torque figures for powertrains with very different torque curves and gearing is pretty meaningless.

Indeed. Which is why my vintage 'cruiser with a 2.8L n/a diesel engine is fantastic and completely unstoppable seriously offroad, fully laden 600kg+ taking gross weight to 2.6T whereas OH's Qashqai 1.5 turbo diesel was very nearly stuck up a moderately rough gradient with only the driver at the wheel. Nothing happens unless the motor is revved, and then you get crazy wheelspin.

Toyota 188nm torque, Nissan 260nm.

Now electric must be something else altogether, with the torque being where it is.

[underphil]

Register1 said:

MrOrange said:

F4R said:

I was following a leaf once and both of us were stuck behind a slow moving HGV up a steep hill. To my amazement, the leaf successfully overtook it without any trouble. If you like diesel torque you'll love electric

A Nissan Leaf has 240lbft of torque. That’s more than my 3 litre, flat-6, Subaru Legacy Outback.

Still less than half of my wife's Touarag.

The last V8 Formula One engines also had half the torque of your wife's Touareg. Maybe Renault were missing a trick not using the Touareg engine

[cptsideways]

colin_p said:

I see a business opportunity.

Using diesel engined vans with diesel engined generators in the back to go out to and emergency charge dead flat and stranded electric cars.

And once that kicks off enough to fund some development, design a ICE generator pack that could go onto an EV roof rack.

You get to work, park up, pull the rip chord on the Briggs and Stratton that is strapped to the roof to start it up and then let it run all day in the works car park. I'm sure you could even have the roof-rack engine running whilst you are driving.

Afterall, them new power stations are not going to build temselves.

Try a 17ton truck with a lorry engine in the back & a huge diesel genset & a rapid charger. About 200l of diesel a day it used.

[CubanPete]

gazza285 said:

Do you have a drive? Can you guarantee a parking spot near enough? What if you live in a block of flats?

You're clutching at straws now gazza.

Some ICE cars are too big / too small / too slow / too expensive to insure. We can all find an example where something isn't appropriate for something else. Not sure what point you are trying to make but you have made it, so please take a rest.

[colin_p]

cptsideways said:

colin_p said:

I see a business opportunity.

Using diesel engined vans with diesel engined generators in the back to go out to and emergency charge dead flat and stranded electric cars.

And once that kicks off enough to fund some development, design a ICE generator pack that could go onto an EV roof rack.

You get to work, park up, pull the rip chord on the Briggs and Stratton that is strapped to the roof to start it up and then let it run all day in the works car park. I'm sure you could even have the roof-rack engine running whilst you are driving.

Afterall, them new power stations are not going to build temselves.

Try a 17ton truck with a lorry engine in the back & a huge diesel genset & a rapid charger. About 200l of diesel a day it used.

I'm talking about charging an electric car, are you talking about running a fairground, with all the pretty lights?

[CubanPete]

I'd love an electric car, or even two.

We would still need a 'distance car' as parents and inlaws live several hours drive away (and a weekend car!).

We have a massive drive gazza, so that isn't a problem, the irony is our commutes are too short to make the upfront capital cost or monthly payments worth it as the fuel savings wouldn't pay back. As they become available on the used market for smaller sums it is something we will almost certainly do.

[Evanivitch]

colin_p said:

I see a business opportunity.

Using diesel engined vans with diesel engined generators in the back to go out to and emergency charge dead flat and stranded electric cars.

And once that kicks off enough to fund some development, design a ICE generator pack that could go onto an EV roof rack.

You get to work, park up, pull the rip chord on the Briggs and Stratton that is strapped to the roof to start it up and then let it run all day in the works car park. I'm sure you could even have the roof-rack engine running whilst you are driving.

Afterall, them new power stations are not going to build temselves.

The RAC tried that, and then abandoned it very quickly. Much easier to tow/flatbed to the nearest charging point.

[essayer]

CubanPete said:

We have a massive drive gazza, so that isn't a problem, the irony is our commutes are too short to make the upfront capital cost or monthly payments worth it as the fuel savings wouldn't pay back. As they become available on the used market for smaller sums it is something we will almost certainly do.

Not sure if you commute to a station, but some stations (the Indigo ones, usually) offer free parking to EVs, for now at least!

[MrOrange]

CubanPete said:

I'd love an electric car, or even two.

We would still need a 'distance car' as parents and inlaws live several hours drive away (and a weekend car!).

We have a massive drive gazza, so that isn't a problem, the irony is our commutes are too short to make the upfront capital cost or monthly payments worth it as the fuel savings wouldn't pay back. As they become available on the used market for smaller sums it is something we will almost certainly do.

Don’t just focus on the fuel cost. It’s the total running costs: free/subsidised parking, zero RFL, no congestion charge/emission penalty, simpler vehicle (= opportunity for lower servicing costs and longer vehicle life)

Distance car? Rent one, its mostly a better option anyway as you can rent an eco-mile muncher designed just for that journey’s needs. My daughter has no car (lives in town) and when she needs to travel distance she rents an 70mpg eco-box for about a tenner a day.

Weekend car can then be a pure hobby thing. V8, open topped, CO2 spewing monster

Edited by MrOrange on Wednesday 12th December 11:57

[CubanPete]

MrOrange said:

Don’t just focus on the fuel cost. It’s the total running costs: free/subsidised parking, zero RFL, no congestion charge/emission penalty, simpler vehicle (= opportunity for lower servicing costs and longer vehicle life)

Distance car? Rent one, its mostly a better option anyway as you can rent an eco-mile muncher designed just for that journey’s needs. My daughter has no car (lives in town) and when she needs to travel distance she rents an 70mpg eco-box for about a tenner a day.

Weekend car can then be a pure hobby thing. V8, open topped, CO2 spewing monster

Edited by MrOrange on Wednesday 12th December 11:57

I run quite a nice car and which isn't overly expensive to do so, I'm aware of the costs, as I said, the depreciation of a newer electric car would be far bigger than the running costs in my current motoring model. Living outside the M25 most of the costs you mention aren't applicable to me.

For a long journey (which we do frequently, with a family) there is no way I want to rent and jump in a small eco-box, facilitated by running a small ecobox in the week. My current car (320d) does pretty close to 60mpg on a run as it is.

I'm pro electric cars, and they would work very well for both my, and my wife's commutes, but they don't cover all the functionality we require, and don't (yet, until they come down in price) make financial sense to run as an additional entity.

[MrOrange]

CubanPete said:

“depreciation of a newer electric car would be far bigger”
“Living outside the M25”
“For a long journey (which we do frequently,”
“My current car (320d) does pretty close to 60mpg”

Sounds to me like you have the perfect car fir your usage profile. And also sound a good candidate for a PHEV when the 320 passes its sell-by date,

BEV don’t suit all cases, but for those they do the fit is stunningly better than most pure dino-options.

[shavermcspud]

just my two pence worth.

I have the new Nissan Leaf 40Kw, a BMW 520D and a Nissan GTR

The leaf is surprisingly quick and makes progress much much better than you would imagine over the diesel.
As said before the instant torque from 0 rpm is where its at, its a breeze to drive and always has available torque at any speed.

The heating is pretty good too, using a heat pump system and the remote cabin heat in the morning is a nice feature especially with the current cold snap.

[Evanivitch]

CubanPete said:

For a long journey (which we do frequently, with a family) there is no way I want to rent and jump in a small eco-box, facilitated by running a small ecobox in the week. My current car (320d) does pretty close to 60mpg on a run as it is.

You can specify a size of hire car. Everything from a econobox to a large SUV.

As has already been said, perhaps it doesn't suit your needs, but the above isn't a valid reason.

[jamei303]

edd344 said:

"They" being the environmentally friendly hippies that actually believe EVs are better for the environment than a normal engine?

Believe me if 24 million EVs were to suddenly appear on the road tomorrow our grid would not cope. We have a buffer of around 20GWs currently between what is reliable energy and what is used at a daily peak so tell me mathematically how the grid could support 24 million evs?

There are a lot of diesel-powered generator farms springing up to sell leccy at peak demand times.