Job was going great until new regional manager came along
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I've been with my current employer for 14 months.
Till recently all has gone well. Directors are a bit like the Sopranos in that all other shortcomings are forgiven provided you are a good earner, boats aren't rocked and issues are dealt with satisfactorily before it gets to their level. I was such a good earner in fact that when our very hands off styled regional manager decided to leave I was offered the position.
I refused for two reasons. Firstly I had the insight to realise being a good surveyor does not make make me a good manager and secondly I am aware of a lot of nasty commercial challenges that are sitting on the not too distant horizon.
When a new outsourced regional manager appeared he was initially friendly. Sadly guy has a bit of an ego and this week whilst having a chat in his office he told me he knew I was offered and refused his job and that he wasn't happy with the advice he was given: "leave him and his team in peace and their contracts will make you money a solve their own problems".
What really shocked me was the fact he then went on to tell me "I'm not going to have a problem with you but I can guarantee you are going to have problems with me".
I haven't seen such poor people skills and a high confrontational ego led management style since the 1980s.
Till recently all has gone well. Directors are a bit like the Sopranos in that all other shortcomings are forgiven provided you are a good earner, boats aren't rocked and issues are dealt with satisfactorily before it gets to their level. I was such a good earner in fact that when our very hands off styled regional manager decided to leave I was offered the position.
I refused for two reasons. Firstly I had the insight to realise being a good surveyor does not make make me a good manager and secondly I am aware of a lot of nasty commercial challenges that are sitting on the not too distant horizon.
When a new outsourced regional manager appeared he was initially friendly. Sadly guy has a bit of an ego and this week whilst having a chat in his office he told me he knew I was offered and refused his job and that he wasn't happy with the advice he was given: "leave him and his team in peace and their contracts will make you money a solve their own problems".
What really shocked me was the fact he then went on to tell me "I'm not going to have a problem with you but I can guarantee you are going to have problems with me".
I haven't seen such poor people skills and a high confrontational ego led management style since the 1980s.
Similar experience with me, happening right now. My boss is retiring early, and there are a few of us who could do the job better, and some who don't want it, yet they've appointed someone with less experience from a different region. We weren't even given the chance to apply.
I'm all for fair competition, but this is going to give us a tense situation in our group. Two have already said they want to transfer out to a different location.
This is how the world works.
I'm all for fair competition, but this is going to give us a tense situation in our group. Two have already said they want to transfer out to a different location.
This is how the world works.
Polite M135 driver said:
Sounds like a strange approach.
He's a strange strange guy.Imagine someone with David Brent' s ability to make a whole room cringe only without the attempts at humour or any kind of attempt to be popular or likeable.
The first time he addressed us as a team I looked straight into the eyes of the director who signed him and gave my very best "WTF" look. I know this guy well enough to judge the way he dropped his gaze to his desk the matter, at present, is closed.
Edited by Tannedbaldhead on Sunday 9th December 15:47
Tannedbaldhead said:
. Sadly guy has a bit of an ego and this week whilst having a chat in his office he told me he knew I was offered and refused his job and that he wasn't happy with the advice he was given: "leave him and his team in peace and their contracts will make you money a solve their own problems".
What really shocked me was the fact he then went on to tell me "I'm not going to have a problem with you but I can guarantee you are going to have problems with me".
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Did you ask him why?What really shocked me was the fact he then went on to tell me "I'm not going to have a problem with you but I can guarantee you are going to have problems with me".
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IME most senior managers would love to never have to get involved with any of their direct reports (apart from a weekly/monthly/annual catch up and review). It would be heaven!!
Tannedbaldhead said:
The first time he addressed us as a team I looked straight into the eyes of the director who signed him and gave my very best "WTF" look. I know this guy well enough to judge the way he dropped his gaze to his desk the matter, at present, is closed.
If you know the director well enough go into his office and be straight. Its not moaning, its not complaining, and in most cases the boss appreciates (or should appreciate) thoughts from valued members of staff, whatever level they're on.
Sadly, most of my clients are leaving their current boss, not their company.
Amazes me how poor some selection processes are, appointing someone to a role that they don’t fit and where either they become unhappy or their own direct reports become unhappy. There’s actually no need to get it so wrong.
Amazes me how poor some selection processes are, appointing someone to a role that they don’t fit and where either they become unhappy or their own direct reports become unhappy. There’s actually no need to get it so wrong.
I started in retail at 16 straight from school and worked my way through the ranks until at 22 I was the youngest store manager in the country.
I had amazing mentors in the managers and regional managers I’d worked for. The directors liked me and recognised my efforts.
All went well until my regional manager retired and was replaced with a young gun who had no experience in our field.
The first time I met him he told me I wouldn’t be treading on his toes. Within months I was demoted over nothing, so I quit.
I received a letter of recognition from the Sales Director thanking me for my service.
6 months on, the RM was fired and the job would probably have been mine if I’d stayed.
It was a tough lesson to learn, and if im honest 15 years on I’m still a little bitter, but if nothing else it’s made me a great person to work for!
I had amazing mentors in the managers and regional managers I’d worked for. The directors liked me and recognised my efforts.
All went well until my regional manager retired and was replaced with a young gun who had no experience in our field.
The first time I met him he told me I wouldn’t be treading on his toes. Within months I was demoted over nothing, so I quit.
I received a letter of recognition from the Sales Director thanking me for my service.
6 months on, the RM was fired and the job would probably have been mine if I’d stayed.
It was a tough lesson to learn, and if im honest 15 years on I’m still a little bitter, but if nothing else it’s made me a great person to work for!
dadofbud said:
Tell the Sopranos, he has everthing to prove and you have already proved your worth.
The very fact that he was told to leave you and yours alone puts you in a good place with the Sopranos. New guy goes against instruction from director, he won't last.
I doubt that would work. Response could easily be "Well we had someone better in mind to do it but they turned us down, this guy's the best of the rest. Now we all have to deal with it".The very fact that he was told to leave you and yours alone puts you in a good place with the Sopranos. New guy goes against instruction from director, he won't last.
MickC said:
dadofbud said:
Tell the Sopranos, he has everthing to prove and you have already proved your worth.
The very fact that he was told to leave you and yours alone puts you in a good place with the Sopranos. New guy goes against instruction from director, he won't last.
I doubt that would work. Response could easily be "Well we had someone better in mind to do it but they turned us down, this guy's the best of the rest. Now we all have to deal with it".The very fact that he was told to leave you and yours alone puts you in a good place with the Sopranos. New guy goes against instruction from director, he won't last.
The empolyer has paid the standard fee to a recruitment company, up front fee and then probably the balance over a set period of months.
It recognised that you need to keep a new employee for five years to claw back the fees, training etc, so if you have just employed a "boat rocker" you need to know as soon as possible.
bristolbaron said:
I started in retail at 16 straight from school and worked my way through the ranks until at 22 I was the youngest store manager in the country.
I had amazing mentors in the managers and regional managers I’d worked for. The directors liked me and recognised my efforts.
All went well until my regional manager retired and was replaced with a young gun who had no experience in our field.
The first time I met him he told me I wouldn’t be treading on his toes. Within months I was demoted over nothing, so I quit.
I received a letter of recognition from the Sales Director thanking me for my service.
6 months on, the RM was fired and the job would probably have been mine if I’d stayed.
It was a tough lesson to learn, and if im honest 15 years on I’m still a little bitter, but if nothing else it’s made me a great person to work for!
Something similar to me.I had amazing mentors in the managers and regional managers I’d worked for. The directors liked me and recognised my efforts.
All went well until my regional manager retired and was replaced with a young gun who had no experience in our field.
The first time I met him he told me I wouldn’t be treading on his toes. Within months I was demoted over nothing, so I quit.
I received a letter of recognition from the Sales Director thanking me for my service.
6 months on, the RM was fired and the job would probably have been mine if I’d stayed.
It was a tough lesson to learn, and if im honest 15 years on I’m still a little bitter, but if nothing else it’s made me a great person to work for!
Worked my way up in retail that the branch I was running was in the top ten in sales out of 600+ branches plus I took on extra responsibilities on top like overseeing a further 5 smaller branches and helping to train new managers.
New senior management team came over from our rivals and my new area manager left me in no doubt that this was as far as my career was going and took great delight in telling me so.
Didn’t help my future prospects that I called him a brown nosing
after this and it very nearly ended up in fisticuffs so it didn’t take Einstein to work out I was no longer considered a team player and an asset to the company thus I hit the internet looking for something else as soon as he walked out the door but in retrospect it done me a favour as I know work in a completely different field, earning more with less stress.Last I heard the company went bust. not that I’m gloating....much.
Tannedbaldhead said:
"I'm not going to have a problem with you but I can guarantee you are going to have problems with me".
I'm not very experienced in dealing with horrible managers but I'm sure that delivering him a swift kick to the bks after he made this statement would've probably changed his thinking somewhat.Turbodicky said:
I'm not very experienced in dealing with horrible managers but I'm sure that delivering him a swift kick to the bks after he made this statement would've probably changed his thinking somewhat.
And seen you exited from the business within hours for gross misconduct and maybe an assault charge...ks after he made this statement would've probably changed his thinking somewhat.Turbodicky said:
Tannedbaldhead said:
"I'm not going to have a problem with you but I can guarantee you are going to have problems with me".
I'm not very experienced in dealing with horrible managers but I'm sure that delivering him a swift kick to the bks after he made this statement would've probably changed his thinking somewhat.Gassing Station | Jobs & Employment Matters | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff