Been taken for a ride by car dealer
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Begall said:
So worst case it’s just over £200/month depreciation. I suspect that for a large number of people here that’s far less than they’re happily paying to lease a car! It’s not an extraordinary loss imo
Those that have a lease car have budgeted for it, OP hasn't budgeted for a £1650 loss. OP you only lose money if you sell it. Run it for a year more, then sell it?
It's not just that it's a hidden N, OP has no idea what the damage was that led to an N.
I bought a car last year, all seemed and drove fine, checked out on the HPI, only when I jack it up do I discover it's at some point been driven into something as there's a large dent in the bottom of the intercooler and smashed under tray.
Garage would have known if they serviced it properly as they claimed but just refused all responsibility as it's just cosmetic.
Now because I'm not a (though some in NPE would tell you otherwise) I'm going to have to advertise it as so when it comes to selling and have taken a hit on the value of it.
OP has no idea what damage could be hidden. If it is against trading standards for the dealer to not tell that info, I hope OP goes after them. Far too many dodgy dealers that need to be punished for this shyster behaviour.
I bought a car last year, all seemed and drove fine, checked out on the HPI, only when I jack it up do I discover it's at some point been driven into something as there's a large dent in the bottom of the intercooler and smashed under tray.
Garage would have known if they serviced it properly as they claimed but just refused all responsibility as it's just cosmetic.
Now because I'm not a (though some in NPE would tell you otherwise) I'm going to have to advertise it as so when it comes to selling and have taken a hit on the value of it.
OP has no idea what damage could be hidden. If it is against trading standards for the dealer to not tell that info, I hope OP goes after them. Far too many dodgy dealers that need to be punished for this shyster behaviour.
Jonno02 said:
Begall said:
So worst case it’s just over £200/month depreciation. I suspect that for a large number of people here that’s far less than they’re happily paying to lease a car! It’s not an extraordinary loss imo
Those that have a lease car have budgeted for it, OP hasn't budgeted for a £1650 loss. OP you only lose money if you sell it. Run it for a year more, then sell it?
The only issue is if it won't get through the next MOT on emissions.
Boydie88 said:
It's not just that it's a hidden N, OP has no idea what the damage was that led to an N.
I bought a car last year, all seemed and drove fine, checked out on the HPI, only when I jack it up do I discover it's at some point been driven into something as there's a large dent in the bottom of the intercooler and smashed under tray.
Garage would have known if they serviced it properly as they claimed but just refused all responsibility as it's just cosmetic.
Now because I'm not a (though some in NPE would tell you otherwise) I'm going to have to advertise it as so when it comes to selling and have taken a hit on the value of it.
OP has no idea what damage could be hidden. If it is against trading standards for the dealer to not tell that info, I hope OP goes after them. Far too many dodgy dealers that need to be punished for this shyster behaviour.
To be fair, I wouldn't get too hung up on it.I bought a car last year, all seemed and drove fine, checked out on the HPI, only when I jack it up do I discover it's at some point been driven into something as there's a large dent in the bottom of the intercooler and smashed under tray.
Garage would have known if they serviced it properly as they claimed but just refused all responsibility as it's just cosmetic.
Now because I'm not a (though some in NPE would tell you otherwise) I'm going to have to advertise it as so when it comes to selling and have taken a hit on the value of it.
OP has no idea what damage could be hidden. If it is against trading standards for the dealer to not tell that info, I hope OP goes after them. Far too many dodgy dealers that need to be punished for this shyster behaviour.
Any car could have been in a huge accident and badly repaired and simply not declared. So wouldn't show up as a write off at all.
Claires828 said:
The offers I have received from private buyers are 200, 250 and 350 - This isn't trade offers .
With older/lower value cars like this the cat N does not always make a huge difference to value, 30-40% but sometimes no difference at all on cheap runners if its still a tidy little car, so don't let than put you off. The damage could have been very minor, a good mechanic should be able to spot if its had major repairs just from a very quick look.
Best advice, ignore most of the negative advice and get a 2nd opinion on the car from a mechanic who is used to working on older cheaper motors, it may well turn out to be fine and keep you going, a bit of smoke on start up is no big deal on a cheap runner either.
Jonno02 said:
Begall said:
So worst case it’s just over £200/month depreciation. I suspect that for a large number of people here that’s far less than they’re happily paying to lease a car! It’s not an extraordinary loss imo
Those that have a lease car have budgeted for it, OP hasn't budgeted for a £1650 loss. OP you only lose money if you sell it. Run it for a year more, then sell it?
I would suggest that if you’ve purchased a car for more then absolute bottom of the barrel and you’re not prepared to be taking a 100/month cost to run it then you’re not being realistic. I brought a £2.5K car, ran it for 3 and a bit years and sold it for £600 - £50/month isn’t so much worse than £100/month in the grand scheme of things.
Claires828 said:
Nope - no-one has been able to get to the bottom of it at all . It runs fine except smoking like a trooper in the morning ... injectors , glow plugs all fine ... told egr could be sticky but also told that it's not faulty . No engine management lights or warnings ... just smokes from cold and then continues as normal when you pull away
I've no idea what a Corsa engine is like but have the valve guides / stem seals been checked for wear? Oil could be slowly leaking down into the cylinders while the engine is sat overnight which is then burnt off on startup. This would fit with your symptoms.rallycross said:
Claires828 said:
The offers I have received from private buyers are 200, 250 and 350 - This isn't trade offers .
Best advice, ignore most of the negative advice and get a 2nd opinion on the car from a mechanic who is used to working on older cheaper motors, it may well turn out to be fine and keep you going, a bit of smoke on start up is no big deal on a cheap runner either.My Audi indie is c28 miles from where I live (couple of miles from my workplace), and I been taking my Audi to them for 3 1/2 - 4 years because they have given me reason to trust them in being open and honest both in terms of advice, any potential work, what has to be done, what can be postponed, and potential costs.
Begall has posted really good advice on Total Cost of Ownership [TCO] in terms of average cost per month. Prior to this issue occuring, how long were you intending keeping the car?
Hope that you manage to find a good, honest and reliable mechanic who can diagnose and fix the problem. Do keep the thread updated!
Thank you for all the replies . I have found a buyer for it who is fully aware of it's fault and the category N . At least it's new owner is fully aware of it's problems and as much history as possible . So ... it's gone ... and to be honest I am relieved .
Thanks to all for the helpful replies
Thanks to all for the helpful replies
Don't let it go, you can get all of your money back.
As per another poster, being as you paid a small amount by credit card, they are now jointly liable and you can claim for the full amount even though you only paid the deposit on the card.
Get on to your card issuer and tell them you want to do a chargeback on the transaction, give them all of the info and they will get this sorted for you.
As per another poster, being as you paid a small amount by credit card, they are now jointly liable and you can claim for the full amount even though you only paid the deposit on the card.
Get on to your card issuer and tell them you want to do a chargeback on the transaction, give them all of the info and they will get this sorted for you.
Jurassic pork said:
Don't let it go, you can get all of your money back.
As per another poster, being as you paid a small amount by credit card, they are now jointly liable and you can claim for the full amount even though you only paid the deposit on the card.
Get on to your card issuer and tell them you want to do a chargeback on the transaction, give them all of the info and they will get this sorted for you.
Two posts above yours. It's sold and gone.As per another poster, being as you paid a small amount by credit card, they are now jointly liable and you can claim for the full amount even though you only paid the deposit on the card.
Get on to your card issuer and tell them you want to do a chargeback on the transaction, give them all of the info and they will get this sorted for you.
Claires828 said:
Thank you for all the replies . I have found a buyer for it who is fully aware of it's fault and the category N . At least it's new owner is fully aware of it's problems and as much history as possible . So ... it's gone ... and to be honest I am relieved .
Thanks to all for the helpful replies
Some good news. I'd be happy with that. You are better off buying private with lots of checks as well as independent at that price range. I can't remember the last time I bought from a dealer, any dealer after a Citroen main dealer tried ripping me off on a used car. Thanks to all for the helpful replies
Never again.
I can understand why you just wanted to get rid and draw a line under it as soon as possible but it's a shame having paid the deposit by credit card you didn't follow jurassic pork's advice. Even if you pay as little as £1 the credit card company becomes jointly liable and you can claim for the full amount. Far more chance of success with a cc as well since they are not personally involved and will simply get it back from the car dealer anyway.
Sa Calobra said:
Claires828 said:
Thank you for all the replies . I have found a buyer for it who is fully aware of it's fault and the category N . At least it's new owner is fully aware of it's problems and as much history as possible . So ... it's gone ... and to be honest I am relieved .
Thanks to all for the helpful replies
Some good news. I'd be happy with that. You are better off buying private with lots of checks as well as independent at that price range. I can't remember the last time I bought from a dealer, any dealer after a Citroen main dealer tried ripping me off on a used car. Thanks to all for the helpful replies
Never again.
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