RE: Cosworth's 1000hp 6.5-litre V12: PH Meets

RE: Cosworth's 1000hp 6.5-litre V12: PH Meets

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RacerMike

4,205 posts

211 months

Wednesday 12th December 2018
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What a weapon! Sounds incredible and I suspect even better once flying round a race track!

dinkel

26,942 posts

258 months

Wednesday 12th December 2018
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We want Can Am back, do we...?

NotNormal

2,359 posts

214 months

Wednesday 12th December 2018
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Baron Greenback said:
Here is Carfection chatting with the MD of cosworth!

https://youtu.be/pk8ZrN__nmA
Great vid, thanks for highlighting.

A modern car that is genuinely exciting to see come together, absolutely love this project and really has that element of "special" that IMO none of the other current crop of super/hypercars have captured.

Krikkit

26,527 posts

181 months

Wednesday 12th December 2018
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NotNormal said:
Baron Greenback said:
Here is Carfection chatting with the MD of cosworth!

https://youtu.be/pk8ZrN__nmA
Great vid, thanks for highlighting.

A modern car that is genuinely exciting to see come together, absolutely love this project and really has that element of "special" that IMO none of the other current crop of super/hypercars have captured.
Totally agreed - Bruce Wood is extremely candid about revealing some other details of the car as well when talking about the engine bay etc.

What a fantastic bit of kit.

anonymous-user

54 months

Wednesday 12th December 2018
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NotNormal said:
Baron Greenback said:
Here is Carfection chatting with the MD of cosworth!

https://youtu.be/pk8ZrN__nmA
Great vid, thanks for highlighting.

A modern car that is genuinely exciting to see come together, absolutely love this project and really has that element of "special" that IMO none of the other current crop of super/hypercars have captured.
A three cylinder engine putting out 250hp... scratchchin I can think of a few things to do with that!

daveco

4,126 posts

207 months

Wednesday 12th December 2018
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Who would have thought in this day and age that there's a manufacturer still willing to build a NA V12 engine instead of taking the comparatively easier route of just going with small capacity and FI.

Hats off to them, and Mazda, for sticking with HC.

thegreenhell

15,337 posts

219 months

Wednesday 12th December 2018
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This is the most exciting new supercar since the McLaren F1. Nothing else comes close.

Limpet

6,309 posts

161 months

Wednesday 12th December 2018
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Sounds like a pre-turbo F1 car. Lovely.

One question - the article mentions that timing chains wouldn't cope with the 11,000 RPM limiter, but most bike engines use chains, and often rev to 15,000+ RPM. Is this really the reason chains weren't selected?

daveco

4,126 posts

207 months

Wednesday 12th December 2018
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Limpet said:
. One question - the article mentions that timing chains wouldn't cope with the 11,000 RPM limiter, but most bike engines use chains, and often rev to 15,000+ RPM. Is this really the reason chains weren't selected?
Narrow range of rotational speed on bike engines and usually far smaller capacity means less vibration/torque etc on the chain?

VX BlackRat

79 posts

103 months

Wednesday 12th December 2018
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How can this be EU emission friendly - WOW!!!, can Cosworth now sort out Brexit too.....

Skylab

20 posts

79 months

Wednesday 12th December 2018
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That is what they need in F1 . Wonderful well done Cosworth.

GregorFuk

563 posts

200 months

Wednesday 12th December 2018
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Can anyone put more meat on the bones of this statement?

"but that wasn't really the priority here, and if you want power rather than economy port injection is slightly better, and it also meant we didn't need a GPF."

I’d like to understand why. Why does port injection allow the GPF to go?

sdiggle

182 posts

90 months

Wednesday 12th December 2018
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M U S I C !

anonymous-user

54 months

Wednesday 12th December 2018
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That really is a perfect combination of epic engineering and a glorious sound.

WCZ

10,525 posts

194 months

Wednesday 12th December 2018
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thegreenhell said:
This is the most exciting new supercar since the McLaren F1. Nothing else comes close.
this, this and this!

nothing else has made me so excited about a car I'll never be able to own

anonymous-user

54 months

Wednesday 12th December 2018
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Limpet said:
Sounds like a pre-turbo F1 car. Lovely.

One question - the article mentions that timing chains wouldn't cope with the 11,000 RPM limiter, but most bike engines use chains, and often rev to 15,000+ RPM. Is this really the reason chains weren't selected?
The chains on a bike aren't 1.5m long turning four camshafts that are each 75cm long and opening 6 valves

Krikkit

26,527 posts

181 months

Wednesday 12th December 2018
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thecook101 said:
A three cylinder engine putting out 250hp... scratchchin I can think of a few things to do with that!
I can't imagine it'd be smooth enough to really use though. wink

daveco

4,126 posts

207 months

Wednesday 12th December 2018
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GregorFuk said:
Can anyone put more meat on the bones of this statement?

"but that wasn't really the priority here, and if you want power rather than economy port injection is slightly better, and it also meant we didn't need a GPF."

I’d like to understand why. Why does port injection allow the GPF to go?
Port Injection can reduce particulate emissions, probably enough to comply with current regs.

GroundEffect

13,836 posts

156 months

Wednesday 12th December 2018
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GregorFuk said:
Can anyone put more meat on the bones of this statement?

"but that wasn't really the priority here, and if you want power rather than economy port injection is slightly better, and it also meant we didn't need a GPF."

I’d like to understand why. Why does port injection allow the GPF to go?
Direct injection allows lower CO2 but at the cost of higher particulates. Port injection gives lower particulates but at the cost of higher CO2...they don't care about CO2 for this car but there's legal requirements on particulates.

RacerMike

4,205 posts

211 months

Wednesday 12th December 2018
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daveco said:
GregorFuk said:
Can anyone put more meat on the bones of this statement?

"but that wasn't really the priority here, and if you want power rather than economy port injection is slightly better, and it also meant we didn't need a GPF."

I’d like to understand why. Why does port injection allow the GPF to go?
Port Injection can reduce particulate emissions, probably enough to comply with current regs.
Well.....the more relevant statement would be the direct injection greatly increases particulate emissions in Gasoline engines as a leaner burn creates more during combustion. But yes...baiscally port injection reduces particulate emissions because it's not possible for the mixture to burn as lean as it would in a direct injection cylinder.