Electric handbrake tom-foolery

[jeffreywoodham]

thiscocks said:

Why the f would you want start / stop?

Somebody else who thinks he knows everything and is not prepared for anybody else to have an alternative view.

[Boosted LS1]

I doubt anybody wants stop start but it's an emissions thing and manufacturers are applying the technology to ease pollution in cities.

Bet it make traffic light grand prix's interesting :-)

[NDNDNDND]

Boosted LS1 said:

I doubt anybody wants stop start but it's an emissions thing and manufacturers are applying the technology to ease pollution in cities.

Bet it make traffic light grand prix's interesting :-)

I had a Renault Kadjar hire car recently and I quite liked the start/stop. It meant I didn't have to listen to the bd diesel engine clattering away every time I sat stationary.

It also had an electronic parking brake, which I didn't hugely mind but it was rather unintuitive. It was certainly rather fiddly to use and it was easier to just hold the car on the footbrake. Similarly, hill starts took a leap of faith that the hill-assist may or may not work. Getting back into a manual car with a conventional handbrake was much easier, frankly.
I have driven a DSG car with an electronic handbrake and that worked quite well, which is what you'd expect as electronic handbrakes are pretty much designed for automatic gearboxes, and autoboxes are where manufacturers want to push the market.

[thiscocks]

jeffreywoodham said:

thiscocks said:

Why the f would you want start / stop?

Somebody else who thinks he knows everything and is not prepared for anybody else to have an alternative view.

?? If you can give me a reason why you would want it then that would be a start.

[HTP99]

NDNDNDND said:

I had a Renault Kadjar hire car recently.... It also had an electronic parking brake, which I didn't hugely mind but it was rather unintuitive.

How was it unintuitive?

[jeffreywoodham]

thiscocks said:

?? If you can give me a reason why you would want it then that would be a start.

Or you could give me a reason why you don’t want it. (Don’t bother) Does it really matter either way?

[thiscocks]

jeffreywoodham said:

thiscocks said:

?? If you can give me a reason why you would want it then that would be a start.

Or you could give me a reason why you don’t want it. (Don’t bother) Does it really matter either way?

Unnecessary strain on electrical and mechanical parts for zero gain to the user. No reason for someone to want it on a car.

Regarding electric handbrakes, I'm not a fan but have got used to mine on my manual Volvo V70. It does very occasionally refuse to come off when you pull away so you have to stand on the brakes and release it, but not often. Not sure why it does this. Possibly it just fails to recognise clutch movement quickly enough depending on how you engage it with the go pedal.

Edited by thiscocks on Saturday 15th December 22:36

[jeffreywoodham]

thiscocks said:

Unnecessary strain on electrical and mechanical parts for zero gain to the user. No reason for someone to want it on a car.

Regarding electric handbrakes, I'm not a fan but have got used to mine on my manual Volvo V70. It does very occasionally refuse to come off when you pull away so you have to stand on the brakes and release it, but not often. Not sure why it does this. Possibly it just fails to recognise clutch movement quickly enough depending on how you engage it with the go pedal.

Edited by thiscocks on Saturday 15th December 22:36

“No reason for someone to want it on a car“ Once again your opinion, stated as though it’s a fact, which it isn’t.

[GSE]

I have the occasional hire car for work, every time I dread having to faff about with whatever handbrake system it has to work out how to use the bloody thing. Have I got a parking brake, have I got hill assist, have a got to dance on the pedals like Fred Astaire to disengage some hidden interlock before I can pull away! Didn't a conventional handbrake fulfill all of these needs with one easy action? It seems that they all have their idiosyncrasies, and you can't rely on them for 100% of the time as you could with a manual handbrake, as there is no mechanical feedback to the driver. They always leave a seed of doubt in my mind as to whether they going to work or not. The frequency of posts on the subject suggests that they are far from a perfect solution too. I'll tick the box in the options list for a manual handbrake please along with a manual gearbox. I like to be in control

[Haltamer]

Everyone is forgetting the most important part - If you go into a wet, concrete multi story car park, how can you make SKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKRT noises without a manual handbrake?

[Funk]

Dapster said:

I love it. I do a lot of city miles and I would never look at a daily without electronic handbrake, stop / start and auto gearbox.

Same, great invention.

[Wills2]

Stop/start seems a good idea to me when you're stuck in traffic in towns and villages, better to have cars that aren't idling chucking out exhaust fumes.

[anonymous-user]

What I need is a stop/start system that knows when I'm the first car at a junction, roundabout or traffic lights and doesn't switch off the engine just when i need to rely on it!

It would be simple engineer such a system now that cars have front facing sensors for brake assist etc. You could even integrate a camera to watch the traffic lights and start the engine as soon as the lights change....

[The Dangerous Elk]

rockin said:

What I need is a stop/start system that knows when I'm the first car at a junction, roundabout or traffic lights and doesn't switch off the engine just when i need to rely on it!

It would be simple engineer such a system now that cars have front facing sensors for brake assist etc. You could even integrate a camera to watch the traffic lights and start the engine as soon as the lights change....

Then the same problem exists for the next car.

[Jasandjules]

spookly said:

Never had an issue with electric parking brake in either the VW or Merc I've had them in.

Oddly my VW Passat had this issue now and again but so far with the Merc it has worked every time...

[Pica-Pica]

rockin said:

What I need is a stop/start system that knows when I'm the first car at a junction, roundabout or traffic lights and doesn't switch off the engine just when i need to rely on it!

It would be simple engineer such a system now that cars have front facing sensors for brake assist etc. You could even integrate a camera to watch the traffic lights and start the engine as soon as the lights change....

No, you need a decent stop-start system that re-starts instantly. They do exist.

[Jasandjules]

rockin said:

What I need is a stop/start system that knows when I'm the first car at a junction, roundabout or traffic lights and doesn't switch off the engine just when i need to rely on it!

It would be simple engineer such a system now that cars have front facing sensors for brake assist etc. You could even integrate a camera to watch the traffic lights and start the engine as soon as the lights change....

Well you would hate my car. She will switch to battery sometimes up to 30mph, I can actually go between a set of traffic lights without the engine ever being switched back on... She will use the battery to boost when I floor the pedal too...

And she starts instantly (just as well when I am doing say 20mph up a hill with the battery only then she needs more power).

[GroundEffect]

thiscocks said:

jeffreywoodham said:

thiscocks said:

Why the f would you want start / stop?

Somebody else who thinks he knows everything and is not prepared for anybody else to have an alternative view.

?? If you can give me a reason why you would want it then that would be a start.

Because it saves fuel and emissions?

Or are we at the point of "fk you got mine"?

[ZOLLAR]

GroundEffect said:

thiscocks said:

jeffreywoodham said:

thiscocks said:

Why the f would you want start / stop?

Somebody else who thinks he knows everything and is not prepared for anybody else to have an alternative view.

?? If you can give me a reason why you would want it then that would be a start.

Because it saves fuel and emissions?

Or are we at the point of "fk you got mine"?

I find it quite nice sitting in traffic with engine off listening to music, far more relaxing.

That's one reason!

[thiscocks]

GroundEffect said:

thiscocks said:

jeffreywoodham said:

thiscocks said:

Why the f would you want start / stop?

Somebody else who thinks he knows everything and is not prepared for anybody else to have an alternative view.

?? If you can give me a reason why you would want it then that would be a start.

Because it saves fuel and emissions?

Or are we at the point of "fk you got mine"?

It saves so little fuel you wouldn't notice it unless you regularly sit at a stand still in traffic for hours at a time, for months on end. In which case I'm sure you would be better off riding a bike or walking. In that case you would probably turn the engine off yourself anyway. As for emissions- if you cared about that you wouldn't be driving an internal combustion powered vehicle in the first place (or certainly not own one for enjoyment). Its just a means by the car manufacturers to better their claimed combined fuel consumption lab tests and nothing else. Its called bull-st technology (much like the electronic handbrake - but to a greater degree). How someone can claim to like it or want it must just be fking brainwashed by the government by thinking they are saving the planet or just love the sound and vibration of their engine starting up.