RE: Nissan Skyline (R33): Spotted

[Red Devil]

Guvernator said:

Ahh the infamous Top Secret gold R33 with over 1000bhp, a power output which was pretty much unheard of in a road car at the time. Smoky got banned from driving in the UK for filming himself doing 200mph with that car on the M25 IIRC.

Nope.

Toyota Supra, not Nissan R33.
He didn't (quite) reach 200mph.
A1(M),* not the M25.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-Vcx3zRE-0

 * The 4 lane section between Alconbury and Stilton.

See @3:31 in the video: here - https://goo.gl/maps/VhWNMijEBCB2

The car went for auction in December 2017 and is currently in Miami.
https://engineswapdepot.com/?p=24280

[s m]

samoht said:

coldel said:

no way an R34 is worth upwards of £50k its just a result of over demand

Aren't the values of most things determined by the interaction of supply and demand, though?

Exactly samoht, if cars are selling at that price, that is their worth at that time. Over and over again it seems many on here can't grasp that premise because they themselves would not pay that price.

As always, the First Rule of Rich W applies.....

[Durzel]

Second car I ever owned, at 21, after an Astra GTE. 414bhp at that age was.. interesting, though managed to never crash it. Sold it far too soon although it was replaced with a R34 GTR shortly afterwards.

[hondafanatic]

Durzel said:

Second car I ever owned, at 21, after an Astra GTE. 414bhp at that age was.. interesting, though managed to never crash it. Sold it far too soon although it was replaced with a R34 GTR shortly afterwards.

Ooof! Like that a lot.

How did the R34 compare?

[S100HP]

See this most days on my way to and from work. He lives local to me.

[coldel]

s m said:

samoht said:

coldel said:

no way an R34 is worth upwards of £50k its just a result of over demand

Aren't the values of most things determined by the interaction of supply and demand, though?

Exactly samoht, if cars are selling at that price, that is their worth at that time. Over and over again it seems many on here can't grasp that premise because they themselves would not pay that price.

As always, the First Rule of Rich W applies.....

As always the PH 'cannot debate a point like an adult' language comes out. As if 'someone cannot grasp...' etc. why can some people on here not just debate why does the language have to be so patronising? Guess it is ultimately a virtual playground for children and that 'I am better than you' mentality comes out in the end...without taking the time to ask people why they have a point of view on something.

Is the R34 WORTH say £50k+, of course it isn't you can get much more capable cars for half the price. Would someone PAY £50k, yes they would. A couple of years ago they were knocking about at £25k what has made them more valuable? You could argue it was many things from the changes in interest rates (i.e. people could see them as investments rather than putting money in the bank) all the way over to the death of Paul Walker.

You cannot tell me they are 'worth' that amount (as they could crash in price as well as go up), but I would very much believe they are currently valued at it.

Just my point of view, if anyone fancies engaging in an adult based conversation about it.

[TwinExit]

coldel said:

Is the R34 WORTH say £50k+, of course it isn't you can get much more capable cars for half the price. Would someone PAY £50k, yes they would. A couple of years ago they were knocking about at £25k what has made them more valuable? You could argue it was many things from the changes in interest rates (i.e. people could see them as investments rather than putting money in the bank) all the way over to the death of Paul Walker.

Straight R34 GTRs did not sell for £25k a 'couple of years' ago, you would have to go back to the mid 2000's to find a non V-SPEC model privately around that price.

£50k seems high for ex owners who still think Japanese cars should be valued at 2001 prices.

[coldel]

TwinExit said:

coldel said:

Is the R34 WORTH say £50k+, of course it isn't you can get much more capable cars for half the price. Would someone PAY £50k, yes they would. A couple of years ago they were knocking about at £25k what has made them more valuable? You could argue it was many things from the changes in interest rates (i.e. people could see them as investments rather than putting money in the bank) all the way over to the death of Paul Walker.

Straight R34 GTRs did not sell for £25k a 'couple of years' ago, you would have to go back to the mid 2000's to find a non V-SPEC model privately around that price.

£50k seems high for ex owners who still think Japanese cars should be valued at 2001 prices.

There were because when we sold some property back in 2010 (ok more than a couple of years ago but hey its not 2001) I went to view one, got the guy down to a touch over £25k (way down on listed price), stood there with the cash ready to go and decided against it when the sensible chip in my head kicked in. My wife and I still laugh about it as she was egging me on, it was me who didn't trust my own judgement and bottled it...it was actually as much to do with that I didn't have an indoor space also to store it.

And no, I dont think cars should be listed at 2001 prices, again patronising language doesn't suit grown ups, its suits children in the playground.

[Durzel]

hondafanatic said:

Ooof! Like that a lot.

How did the R34 compare?

R34 was faster still, much more raw due to a triple plate clutch which was basically like an on/off switch. Actually a bit painful to drive around town. Insanely fast though, and the acceleration was savage.. old school turbo tech so it sortof bogged down a bit before the turbos came on boost, then it was a rocket ship.

Sold that one too soon too

[hondafanatic]

Durzel said:

R34 was faster still, much more raw due to a triple plate clutch which was basically like an on/off switch. Actually a bit painful to drive around town. Insanely fast though, and the acceleration was savage.. old school turbo tech so it sortof bogged down a bit before the turbos came on boost, then it was a rocket ship.

Sold that one too soon too

Cheers! Was the clutch standard or upgraded? Which would you pick if you had to choose one?

[Durzel]

hondafanatic said:

Cheers! Was the clutch standard or upgraded? Which would you pick if you had to choose one?

Clutch on R34 was uprated. R33 was too but only single plate so behaved like a regular one.

Would have R34 given the choice, it has crazy road presence and the HUD is something out of Gran Turismo

[Zarco]

coldel said:

TwinExit said:

coldel said:

Is the R34 WORTH say £50k+, of course it isn't you can get much more capable cars for half the price. Would someone PAY £50k, yes they would. A couple of years ago they were knocking about at £25k what has made them more valuable? You could argue it was many things from the changes in interest rates (i.e. people could see them as investments rather than putting money in the bank) all the way over to the death of Paul Walker.

Straight R34 GTRs did not sell for £25k a 'couple of years' ago, you would have to go back to the mid 2000's to find a non V-SPEC model privately around that price.

£50k seems high for ex owners who still think Japanese cars should be valued at 2001 prices.

There were because when we sold some property back in 2010 (ok more than a couple of years ago but hey its not 2001) I went to view one, got the guy down to a touch over £25k (way down on listed price), stood there with the cash ready to go and decided against it when the sensible chip in my head kicked in. My wife and I still laugh about it as she was egging me on, it was me who didn't trust my own judgement and bottled it...it was actually as much to do with that I didn't have an indoor space also to store it.

And no, I dont think cars should be listed at 2001 prices, again patronising language doesn't suit grown ups, its suits children in the playground.

Big difference between a couple of years ago and 2010 in the car/anything market.

I remember looking at sweet 500bhp R33 GTRs for £11k in the classifieds back then. Even nicer R32 GTR for the same money. Same goes for loads of nice metal.

The economy was on its arse then so hardly surprising! Wish we could go back to 2010 prices

[hondafanatic]

Durzel said:

Clutch on R34 was uprated. R33 was too but only single plate so behaved like a regular one.

Would have R34 given the choice, it has crazy road presence and the HUD is something out of Gran Turismo

I was hoping you were going to say that...I’ve only ever been in a highly modded R33 which I thought was a brilliant bit of kit but R34 is the one I’d pick despite never even sat in one.