RE: Dodge Viper (SRI/SRII): PH Used Buying Guide
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urquattroGus said:
macky17 said:
fatboy18 said:
So lets throw some more history out there on the car.
Back in the late 1980s Chrysler Owned Lamborghini, One of the technicians called Dick Winkles was working on engine development with Lamborghini.
The very 1st Viper was fitted with a V8 (purley to get the car moving).
Once the car was approved to build the Viper team started looking at what engine could be produced for it.
This Historic Video says it all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGDdBFbikUQ&t=...
Dick Winkles Back in the late 1980s Chrysler Owned Lamborghini, One of the technicians called Dick Winkles was working on engine development with Lamborghini.
The very 1st Viper was fitted with a V8 (purley to get the car moving).
Once the car was approved to build the Viper team started looking at what engine could be produced for it.
This Historic Video says it all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGDdBFbikUQ&t=...
Was the chassis by this chap?:
Here's a great article on the Development of the Engine
https://www.hotrod.com/articles/how-the-viper-engi...
fatboy18 said:
Denorth said:
Don't think it has been mentioned, but looks like the photos in the article are not of SR-I, but rather SR-II
I know - small details, nothing more...
Well Spotted, You are quite right.I know - small details, nothing more...
Even the engine image is a Later Gen II engine.
Gen 1 engines are easy to spot as the Alternator is front centre of the engine between the throttle bodys.
Gen 1 engines also came with dual throttle cables, (the Gen II engine came with 1 cable and a balance bar between throttle bodys)
The alternator on a Gen II engine is on the front RHS.
Gen I cars came with a 3 spoke wheel
Here's a nice pic of a Gen 1
Interesting fact that I seem to remember (you might want to correct me on that one): some journos were saying that sound of engine on Gen 1 was not that good on the outside if one was standing next to the car near the rear wheel due to fact that half of enging was pumping gasses on the other side of the car and that other side was not hearable.
Edited by Denorth on Tuesday 8th January 09:34
rodericb said:
fatboy18 said:
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Front 4 piston caliper was shared with Aston Martin, Ford, Renault and Peugeot.
I wonder if those Renault and Peugeot owners know that their cars have the front brakes from a Dodge Viper?Front 4 piston caliper was shared with Aston Martin, Ford, Renault and Peugeot.
Pagid Brake pads front Pt No T5119
Alfa Romeo 147 range 03-
Alfa Romeo 156 range 02-
Alfa Romeo GTV V6 24V range 96-
Alfa Romeo Spider range 99-
Chrysler Viper range 92-02
Fiat Coupe range 96-
Lancia Delta HF range 86-94
Peugeot 406 range 97-
Also Wing mirrors were shared with the Mitsubishi 3000 GT
Rear pads Pagid T9037
Renault 21 range 86-96
Renault Espace range 96-00
Renault Laguna range 92-
Renault Safrane range 92-
And also shared with other Brands as earlier mentioned
The early Gen 1 Vipers also came with steel wishbones, then these were later changed to Aluminium.
Early Gen 1 cars do Suffer with Leaking Head gaskets, its no big deal to swap these out to new Gaskets,
Todd at A&C Performance can supply complete upper or lower gasket sets that will outlast the car. Far better than the original MOPAR ones.
Denorth said:
fatboy18 said:
Denorth said:
Don't think it has been mentioned, but looks like the photos in the article are not of SR-I, but rather SR-II
I know - small details, nothing more...
Well Spotted, You are quite right.I know - small details, nothing more...
Even the engine image is a Later Gen II engine.
Gen 1 engines are easy to spot as the Alternator is front centre of the engine between the throttle bodys.
Gen 1 engines also came with dual throttle cables, (the Gen II engine came with 1 cable and a balance bar between throttle bodys)
The alternator on a Gen II engine is on the front RHS.
Gen I cars came with a 3 spoke wheel
Here's a nice pic of a Gen 1
Interesting fact that I seem to remember (you might want to correct me on that one): some journos were saying that sound of engine on Gen 1 was not that good on the outside if one was standing next to the car near the rear wheel due to fact that half of enging was pumping gasses on the other side of the car and that other side was not hearable.
Edited by Denorth on Tuesday 8th January 09:34
When the Gen II came out they kept the exhaust running inside the side sills, but then swung the pipes inside the car just in front of the rear wheels, introduced a balance bar and a additional two silencers exiting out of the rear.
I love the current sound of my car (rear exit) and its one of the reasons I am reluctant to change it to side exit,
But there would be a big weight saving. As well as the Gen 1 Viper there was also a Gen 1, 1/2 various things got changed on the cars as the brand developed.
Early Gen 1 (1992) cars had a fixed aerial on the LHS Rear wing.
One of the biggest problems nowadays is finding Tyres!
Early Vipers came with 17" Wheels. This changed on later Gen II Vipers to 18" then they went to 19" on the Gen 3 cars.
17" tyres are now only made in batches so if you do find any in the right size, checking date codes is a must.
Oh here's another factor, Early Gen 1 cars had a tendency (if you did not know what you were doing) to break away from you quickly if pushing the car hard into corners on track or fast road. This was know as the Viper Bite!
Chrysler engineers sorted this by dialing in more understeer in later Gen Cars.
But it's still a tool to be very much respected. ; )
Early Gen 1 (1992) cars had a fixed aerial on the LHS Rear wing.
One of the biggest problems nowadays is finding Tyres!
Early Vipers came with 17" Wheels. This changed on later Gen II Vipers to 18" then they went to 19" on the Gen 3 cars.
17" tyres are now only made in batches so if you do find any in the right size, checking date codes is a must.
Oh here's another factor, Early Gen 1 cars had a tendency (if you did not know what you were doing) to break away from you quickly if pushing the car hard into corners on track or fast road. This was know as the Viper Bite!
Chrysler engineers sorted this by dialing in more understeer in later Gen Cars.
But it's still a tool to be very much respected. ; )
Edited by fatboy18 on Tuesday 8th January 11:40
fatboy18 said:
Early Vipers came with 17" Wheels. This changed on later Gen II Vipers to 18" then they went to 19" on the Gen 3 cars.
Mark, you are half right on the gen 3 , they have 18" front 275/35/18 and 19" rear 345/30/19. I did get a bargain set of PS2 rears brand new for under £200 each, but the date was 3 years old.
macky17 said:
selym said:
macky17 said:
I own a 370bhp golf R and it’s wonderful... and about 20% as much fun as a proper raw performance car like a viper (hence why I have a tvr as well). Seriously, have you ever driven anything rwd, manual, analogue? Have you ever properly driven anything?
An honest appraisal amongst all the hyperbole commonly used to describe the R.Chestrockwell said:
Had a look on autotrader, low to high and stumbled across this, that’s a lot of kit for 35k
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...
Seen this around a few times as it's near me. Every time I see it I start to drool slightly...https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...
In my eyes, it will always be an iconic car.
8.0 litre V10 back then a and manual gearbox!
My first ever model car was a red Burago 1:18 scale RT10 back in 1994. I think the interior in the real car is probably as bad as the plastic one in the model!
Those immense rear wheels and tyres are amazing and if I had a lottery win, one would definitely be in my garage.
8.0 litre V10 back then a and manual gearbox!
My first ever model car was a red Burago 1:18 scale RT10 back in 1994. I think the interior in the real car is probably as bad as the plastic one in the model!
Those immense rear wheels and tyres are amazing and if I had a lottery win, one would definitely be in my garage.
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