RE: McLaren sales up 43 per cent
Discussion
Brooking10 said:
Matty3 said:
Maldini35 said:
Porsche911R said:
I thought they were going to cap sales at 5k PA.
So not sure about them wanting to make 6k cars or more as they wanted to be exclusive.
and when they say 18 new models, is any thing moved forward really ?
18 new models based on the 12C :-) as they are all the same tub and all have the same engine layout and size as the 12c ! give or take a few tweaks lol
The cars are so dull imo. 12c mk 26 !!
12c vs the lastest 600lt, the cars are the same specs and the same performance to a tee even lap times from the 2004 12c are give or take the same.
seems they are a bit stuck and cannot really do much else bar body designs.
This from somebody called Porsche911R? So not sure about them wanting to make 6k cars or more as they wanted to be exclusive.
and when they say 18 new models, is any thing moved forward really ?
18 new models based on the 12C :-) as they are all the same tub and all have the same engine layout and size as the 12c ! give or take a few tweaks lol
The cars are so dull imo. 12c mk 26 !!
12c vs the lastest 600lt, the cars are the same specs and the same performance to a tee even lap times from the 2004 12c are give or take the same.
seems they are a bit stuck and cannot really do much else bar body designs.
Edited by Porsche911R on Monday 7th January 15:33
The irony is strong.
Ironyometer well and truly broken.
astroarcadia said:
Reads like a Press Release.
That's because it is just a re-hashed press release.https://www.cars.mclaren.press/en-gb/releases/652
Neither the article or the press release mention the main reason for the jump year on year (that production was significantly interrupted in Q1 2017).
Like for like sales are still up but not by the headline catching figure.
I’ve never posted on Piston Heads before but check in to read it every day. These negative Mclaren posts have forced me to break my 15 year silence!
I own a Mclaren 650s Spider. I live in N.Wales and regularly thrash it hard on our quiet roads (my 12 penalty points will prove how I use it). The car is used regularly in all weather and it has never let me down. The fit and finish is perfect and it still looks brand new. We should be proud to have such a great world beating manufacture share our home.
With regard to Ferrari ‘exclusivity’ my friend craved a 488 so having never owned a Ferrari walked into a dealership last year and bought a brand new one. Im going to give him a lift to the factory in March as we thought it would be a great road trip. Surely if they could sell 4 times as many cars he’d have had a longer wait?
I might post again in 2034.
I own a Mclaren 650s Spider. I live in N.Wales and regularly thrash it hard on our quiet roads (my 12 penalty points will prove how I use it). The car is used regularly in all weather and it has never let me down. The fit and finish is perfect and it still looks brand new. We should be proud to have such a great world beating manufacture share our home.
With regard to Ferrari ‘exclusivity’ my friend craved a 488 so having never owned a Ferrari walked into a dealership last year and bought a brand new one. Im going to give him a lift to the factory in March as we thought it would be a great road trip. Surely if they could sell 4 times as many cars he’d have had a longer wait?
I might post again in 2034.
Edited by wrexham500 on Monday 7th January 17:54
It's all and good selling more cars all the time but they still have no idea how to actually start to maintain them over time. The service capacity was stretched to the limit here in the UK 3 years ago already. Say the UK gets 10% of global allocation, adding 300/400 cars per year to the pool of existing cars is just nuts.
And constantly churning out even more cars but having to give ever larger discounts to shift them is equally crazy imo. People always seem to wonder why Mclaren cars don't hold their value well relative to competitors - this very article will be that reason. There is just way too much supply for the level of sustainable demand for the cars. The P11 cars (ie 12c/650/675) couldn't be supported at decent or even semi decent used values at ~1500 cars per year. Now presumably it's 3000 570/540s and 1500 720s and Mclaren think it's sustainable?
And constantly churning out even more cars but having to give ever larger discounts to shift them is equally crazy imo. People always seem to wonder why Mclaren cars don't hold their value well relative to competitors - this very article will be that reason. There is just way too much supply for the level of sustainable demand for the cars. The P11 cars (ie 12c/650/675) couldn't be supported at decent or even semi decent used values at ~1500 cars per year. Now presumably it's 3000 570/540s and 1500 720s and Mclaren think it's sustainable?
J4CKO said:
there is a thread in the Lounge about "British pride", and I personally am not noisily patriotic and I am not part of McLarens success in any way shape or form, But it is fantastic and heart warming to see a British company in next to no time come from nowhere (racing cars and a short but fantastic back catalog notwithstanding) and produce something that competes on an even footing with the worlds best in what is next to no time.
Agreed, but it would be even better with improved build quality and less extortionate servicing. A friend who bought a 540 a couple of years ago has had nothing but trouble - the latest involving corrosion which McLaren themselves seem unable to explain.wrexham500 said:
I’ve never posted on Piston Heads before but check in to read it every day. These negative Mclaren posts have forced me to break my 15 year silence!
I own a Mclaren 650s Spider. I live in N.Wales and regularly thrash it hard on our quiet roads (my 12 penalty points will prove how I use it). The car is used regularly in all weather and it has never let me down. The fit and finish is perfect and it still looks brand new. We should be proud to have such a great world beating manufacture share our home.
With regard to Ferrari ‘exclusivity’ my friend craved a 488 so having never owned a Ferrari walked into a dealership last year and bought a brand new one. Im going to give him a lift to the factory in March as we thought it would be a great road trip. Surely if they could sell 4 times as many cars he’d have had a longer wait?
I might post again in 2034.
Well said that man from an actual owner.I own a Mclaren 650s Spider. I live in N.Wales and regularly thrash it hard on our quiet roads (my 12 penalty points will prove how I use it). The car is used regularly in all weather and it has never let me down. The fit and finish is perfect and it still looks brand new. We should be proud to have such a great world beating manufacture share our home.
With regard to Ferrari ‘exclusivity’ my friend craved a 488 so having never owned a Ferrari walked into a dealership last year and bought a brand new one. Im going to give him a lift to the factory in March as we thought it would be a great road trip. Surely if they could sell 4 times as many cars he’d have had a longer wait?
I might post again in 2034.
Edited by wrexham500 on Monday 7th January 17:54
Congratulations to Mclaren long May it continue.
From an armchair or behind a keyboard I find McLaren’s continual re-hashing of the same formula boring.
However, from a more hard-headed perspective... respect is due to how well a company which, despite the name, is practically a “start-up” in this game has stretched the same basic fundamentals and succeeded where it counts, in the market place. Pagani is far more exotic, is it anything like as secure?
No, I don’t particularly desire a Speedtail, P1, 720S (can’t stand the front end), 600LT (too predictably derivative), though a 570S or GT would probably be an excellent car of this type. I still have to respect how they’ve listened to the critics and responded to produce cars the enthusiastic road-testers clearly warm to, now Android Ron has moved on.
There’s a McLaren dealership less than a mile from my house and I see the odd one around. They look ok.
To put the above in context, I saw a 458 on a high street 3 years ago and the memory is still branded on my brain. If it’s not an LFA, that’s what I’d want.
Still, well done McLaren.
However, from a more hard-headed perspective... respect is due to how well a company which, despite the name, is practically a “start-up” in this game has stretched the same basic fundamentals and succeeded where it counts, in the market place. Pagani is far more exotic, is it anything like as secure?
No, I don’t particularly desire a Speedtail, P1, 720S (can’t stand the front end), 600LT (too predictably derivative), though a 570S or GT would probably be an excellent car of this type. I still have to respect how they’ve listened to the critics and responded to produce cars the enthusiastic road-testers clearly warm to, now Android Ron has moved on.
There’s a McLaren dealership less than a mile from my house and I see the odd one around. They look ok.
To put the above in context, I saw a 458 on a high street 3 years ago and the memory is still branded on my brain. If it’s not an LFA, that’s what I’d want.
Still, well done McLaren.
twizellb said:
Brooking10 said:
Matty3 said:
Maldini35 said:
Porsche911R said:
I thought they were going to cap sales at 5k PA.
So not sure about them wanting to make 6k cars or more as they wanted to be exclusive.
and when they say 18 new models, is any thing moved forward really ?
18 new models based on the 12C :-) as they are all the same tub and all have the same engine layout and size as the 12c ! give or take a few tweaks lol
The cars are so dull imo. 12c mk 26 !!
12c vs the lastest 600lt, the cars are the same specs and the same performance to a tee even lap times from the 2004 12c are give or take the same.
seems they are a bit stuck and cannot really do much else bar body designs.
This from somebody called Porsche911R? So not sure about them wanting to make 6k cars or more as they wanted to be exclusive.
and when they say 18 new models, is any thing moved forward really ?
18 new models based on the 12C :-) as they are all the same tub and all have the same engine layout and size as the 12c ! give or take a few tweaks lol
The cars are so dull imo. 12c mk 26 !!
12c vs the lastest 600lt, the cars are the same specs and the same performance to a tee even lap times from the 2004 12c are give or take the same.
seems they are a bit stuck and cannot really do much else bar body designs.
Edited by Porsche911R on Monday 7th January 15:33
The irony is strong.
Ironyometer well and truly broken.
Watching this scared me though..
https://youtu.be/PoviOeSzmME
I doubt I'll ever be able to afford one, well not in the next ten years at least if I'm very lucky, but for some reason the thought of eye watering bills on this seem more likely that in an equivalent Ferrari, even if that may well be unfounded. I'd probably think I'm playing it sell and get a 911 turbo.
https://youtu.be/PoviOeSzmME
I doubt I'll ever be able to afford one, well not in the next ten years at least if I'm very lucky, but for some reason the thought of eye watering bills on this seem more likely that in an equivalent Ferrari, even if that may well be unfounded. I'd probably think I'm playing it sell and get a 911 turbo.
Second Porsche nut here.
911 R is right to a degree.
As a seasoned Porsche buyer McLaren does have some appeal albeit limited. Nowhere near the appeal of a Ferrari though.
Will have a high spec low mileage 570 S inbound sub £100k at some point this year. I also look forward to buying a £135k 720S early summer.
Mclaren supply is up meaning residuals and exclusivity are down. Good times.
911 R is right to a degree.
As a seasoned Porsche buyer McLaren does have some appeal albeit limited. Nowhere near the appeal of a Ferrari though.
Will have a high spec low mileage 570 S inbound sub £100k at some point this year. I also look forward to buying a £135k 720S early summer.
Mclaren supply is up meaning residuals and exclusivity are down. Good times.
Correct me if i am wrong, but are'nt Mclarens known for depreciating quite heavily because of the amount of cars they are trying to produce? I remember watching an article on it a while ago and that seemed to be what was been potrayed when watching and that whilst no doubt producing some amazing cars dont have the brand name as high as say a Ferrari?
I stand to be corrected i'm sure.
I stand to be corrected i'm sure.
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