RE: McLaren sales up 43 per cent

[Matty3]

Slippydiff said:

twizellb said:

Brooking10 said:

Matty3 said:

Maldini35 said:

Porsche911R said:

I thought they were going to cap sales at 5k PA.

So not sure about them wanting to make 6k cars or more as they wanted to be exclusive.
and when they say 18 new models, is any thing moved forward really ?

18 new models based on the 12C :-) as they are all the same tub and all have the same engine layout and size as the 12c ! give or take a few tweaks lol

The cars are so dull imo. 12c mk 26 !!

12c vs the lastest 600lt, the cars are the same specs and the same performance to a tee even lap times from the 2004 12c are give or take the same.

seems they are a bit stuck and cannot really do much else bar body designs.

Edited by Porsche911R on Monday 7th January 15:33

This from somebody called Porsche911R?

The irony is strong.

Double

Have another

Ironyometer well and truly broken.

Its well and truly off the scale

As many (most) on the PH Porsche do, it’s best to just ignore his inane ramblings

We used to endure him on the Lotus forums - thank Christ he bought a Porsche

[Rich_W]

Brooking10 said:

Matty3 said:

Maldini35 said:

Porsche911R said:

I thought they were going to cap sales at 5k PA.

So not sure about them wanting to make 6k cars or more as they wanted to be exclusive.
and when they say 18 new models, is any thing moved forward really ?

18 new models based on the 12C :-) as they are all the same tub and all have the same engine layout and size as the 12c ! give or take a few tweaks lol

The cars are so dull imo. 12c mk 26 !!

12c vs the lastest 600lt, the cars are the same specs and the same performance to a tee even lap times from the 2004 12c are give or take the same.

seems they are a bit stuck and cannot really do much else bar body designs.

Edited by Porsche911R on Monday 7th January 15:33

This from somebody called Porsche911R?

The irony is strong.

Double

Have another

Ironyometer well and truly broken.

In fairness. Whilst Porsche have been fettling the 911 for an eternity. They have released OTHER variants. Whether that's the Cayman and Boxster (mid engined) The glorious CarreraGT (bespoke V10) and very cool 918. (bespoke V8 with Hybrid) And obviously more recently the SUV pair. And Panamera.

So realistically its about time McLaren made a Luxury V12 GT 2+2 or a 4 door super coupe IMO

But I suspect well know the next car will feature a V8 TT (possibly 3.8 or even 4.0) And 2 seats.

indapendentlee said:

... certain US emissions regulations... Bentley have passed this lately but have access to more VAG tech/engines to help meet the regs.

You what?

manracer said:

Watching this scared me though..

https://youtu.be/PoviOeSzmME

I doubt I'll ever be able to afford one, well not in the next ten years at least if I'm very lucky, but for some reason the thought of eye watering bills on this seem more likely that in an equivalent Ferrari, even if that may well be unfounded. I'd probably think I'm playing it sell and get a 911 turbo.

Swipey doors fault was from launch!

Amazed at the major unit faults. Engine (as most know) is a 20year old Nissan/TWR design
https://jalopnik.com/this-20-year-old-nissan-is-th...

And Gearboxes are done by Ricardo who did the F1 Road car and IIRC were involved with the Veyron. So you'd think there'd be some good design in there.

Once the first cars were launched and the buyers were getting serious faults. (Iris didn't work from factory at all AFAIK) It was a bit obvious that McLarens development testing (and QC during build) wasn't really up to it. I gather its better now. But I wonder how many early adopters vowed never to go near the brand again. Especially given the F1 road car and SLR were fundamentally bomb proof

Shame as the 12C is probably the best looking one they did, until P1. But the current stuff is gopping to my eyes!

Edited by Rich_W on Monday 7th January 20:46

[redroadster]

Impressive results for a relatively new road car company ,still think they should offer models that carry 4 people and unique 4x4 would be a sales hit they could make it lightest and fastest to keep there ethos in tact .

[Tallow]

wrexham500 said:

I’ve never posted on Piston Heads before but check in to read it every day. These negative Mclaren posts have forced me to break my 15 year silence!

I own a Mclaren 650s Spider. I live in N.Wales and regularly thrash it hard on our quiet roads (my 12 penalty points will prove how I use it). The car is used regularly in all weather and it has never let me down. The fit and finish is perfect and it still looks brand new. We should be proud to have such a great world beating manufacture share our home.

With regard to Ferrari ‘exclusivity’ my friend craved a 488 so having never owned a Ferrari walked into a dealership last year and bought a brand new one. Im going to give him a lift to the factory in March as we thought it would be a great road trip. Surely if they could sell 4 times as many cars he’d have had a longer wait?

I might post again in 2034.

Edited by wrexham500 on Monday 7th January 17:54

That's some pretty epic lurking! Post some pics of the road trip of both cars to break the posting drought please!

[isaldiri]

Rich_W said:

And Gearboxes are done by Ricardo who did the F1 Road car and IIRC were involved with the Veyron. So you'd think there'd be some good design in there.

No, the gearbox is a graziano one. Ricardo's involvement with Mclaren currently is only on the engine.

[Matty3]

Rich_W said:

Totally inaccurate stuff :

Ever thought of a career change? - The Sun crave folk like you

[Rich_W]

isaldiri said:

Rich_W said:

And Gearboxes are done by Ricardo who did the F1 Road car and IIRC were involved with the Veyron. So you'd think there'd be some good design in there.

No, the gearbox is a graziano box. Ricardo's involvement with Mclaren is only on the engine.

Ahh OK. Still odd to get so many failures then. Not like they are starting from scratch

[Maldini35]

Rich_W said:

Brooking10 said:

Matty3 said:

Maldini35 said:

Porsche911R said:

I thought they were going to cap sales at 5k PA.


18 new models based on the 12C :-) as they are all the same tub and all have the same engine layout and size as the 12c ! give or take a few tweaks lol

The cars are so dull imo. 12c mk 26 !!

12c vs the lastest 600lt, the cars are the same specs and the same performance to a tee even lap times from the 2004 12c are give or take the same.

seems they are a bit stuck and cannot really do much else bar body designs.

Edited by Porsche911R on Monday 7th January 15:33

This from somebody called Porsche911R?

The irony is strong.

Double

Have another

Ironyometer well and truly broken.

In fairness. Whilst Porsche have been fettling the 911 for an eternity. They have released OTHER variants. Whether that's the Cayman and Boxster (mid engined) The glorious CarreraGT (bespoke V10) and very cool 918. (bespoke V8 with Hybrid) And obviously more recently the SUV pair. And Panamera.

Edited by Rich_W on Monday 7th January 20:46

Hmmm aren’t the Porsche SUV’s basically VW’s?
Not really comparing apples with apples is it.

You criticise McLaren for using Ricardo gearboxes then laud Porsche’s diverse model range - which just so happen to share, chassis, engines and gearboxes with VW’s.
Double standards?

McLarens are clearly not for you, which is fair enough, but if you feel such negativity towards McLaren then why on earth did you apply for a job there a while ago?

Truly Bizarre.

[SL22]

Interesting to see the ‘great british’ company MG topped the percentage increase chart for the UK, going from 4500 in 2017 to 9000+ in 2018. Tiny numbers compared to their ‘home’ market though (5k ZS sold in UK vs 150k in China)

[Rich_W]

Matty3 said:

Rich_W said:

Totally inaccurate stuff

Ever thought of a career change? - The Sun crave folk like you

Feel free to post my inaccuracies fko

ETA How come nearly EVERY thread you've posted on in the last 60 days is McLaren related? (Only 4 aren't!) Employee? Or just weirdo!

Maldini35 said:

Hmmm aren’t the Porsche SUV’s basically VW’s?
Not really comparing apples with apples is it.

Audis actually.

Maldini35 said:

You criticise McLaren for using Ricardo gearboxes then laud Porsche’s diverse model range - which just so happen to share, chassis, engines and gearboxes with VW’s.
Double standards?

Not at all double standards. EVERY post 2012 McLaren model. 12c/650s/720s/540/570/Senna/Speedtail has used the same idea. Carbon tub, V8TT, 2 seats. In EVERY model of car. That's not diversity.

Porsche are far from perfect. But even discounting the Audi Q5/Q7/Macan/Cayenne platform sharing they do mid engine, rear engine and front engine cars. And 4s,6s, 8, and 10 cylinder engines. 2 and 4 doors.

ETA

Please point out where I was criticising Ricardo anyway? Firstly I was wrong about the gearbox link to the current cars. But if anything I was saying how can their products be so unreliable given they aren't a start up but have many years experience. As it turns out the gearbox manufacturer (Oerlikon) in the cars also supplies Ferrari etc so they should be ok. So why are they having issues.

Maldini35 said:

Truly Bizarre.

The only bizarre thing is you fanbois who cant bear for ANYONE to point out a difference of opinion on a brand! Specifically when EVERY fkING TIME I post I mention how much I like certain models. F1, SLR, 12C, and P1. So far from anti their products, just that they need to diversify urgently IMO.

If you don't like counter opinions, clearly you need to turn off your computer and never use PH again! I can only surmise you feel there's no need to broaden their range a bit instead of rolling out another 3 far-too-similar models over the next 2 years.

Edited by Rich_W on Monday 7th January 22:22

[saxy]

The rule has always been, if you want to go fast, get a Mclaren. If you want your car to hold value get a Ferrari.

[Maldini35]

Rich_W said:

If you don't like counter opinions, clearly you need to turn off your computer and never use PH again! I can only surmise you feel there's no need to broaden their range a bit instead of rolling out another 3 far-too-similar models over the next 2 years.

Edited by Rich_W on Monday 7th January 22:22

Still no answer as to why on earth you applied to work at McLaren given your view of the company?

Or is it simply that your view has changed in light of it not working out?

Edited by Maldini35 on Tuesday 8th January 10:04

[cookie1600]

Rich_W said:

Amazed at the major unit faults. Engine (as most know) is a 20year old Nissan/TWR design
https://jalopnik.com/this-20-year-old-nissan-is-th...

And Gearboxes are done by Ricardo who did the F1 Road car and IIRC were involved with the Veyron. So you'd think there'd be some good design in there.

The engines are designed and built by Ricardo at Shoreham, the gearboxes are by Graziano

[Limpet]

cookie1600 said:

The engines are designed and built by Ricardo at Shoreham, the gearboxes are by Graziano

My understanding also. When I read the Nissan piece above, I was shocked for a moment lol

[R1nur]

scenario8 said:

Posting mostly to counter the expected negativity this thread will likely suffer (as witnessed in (probably) all previous McLaren threads).

Thanks for conceiving and producing high value manufactured goods, generating income to re-invest, supporting thousands of jobs and contributing significant sums to the nation’s coffers.

Sorry to all those who feel the need to get grumpy because of something or other McLaren related.

Agreed!

[Scobblelotcher]

I have to admit watching DragTimes on YouTube blowing away nearly everything in his 720s and wonder how much of an effect this has on the brand.

Here’s his year review - his 720s vs 30 other cars.
https://youtu.be/lC7SNg2BUPQ

[isaldiri]

Limpet said:

cookie1600 said:

The engines are designed and built by Ricardo at Shoreham, the gearboxes are by Graziano

My understanding also. When I read the Nissan piece above, I was shocked for a moment lol

Well it's true about the Nissan/twr original link, just that it's been very extensively redone by Ricardo that it's a bit grasping at straws for people to call it a 20 year old Nissan engine..

[anonymous-user]

Maldini35 said:

Still no answer as to why on earth you applied to work at McLaren given your view of the company?

Or is it simply that your view has changed in light of it not working out?

Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 8th January 10:04

At a wild guess had the application been successful then the volume of critical posts might have diminished

[myhandle]

Slippydiff said:

As many (most) on the PH Porsche do, it’s best to just ignore his inane ramblings

The reference to the 2004 12C is my favourite. It must have been a very early prototype 😂😂

[Rovinghawk]

scenario8 said:

Thanks for conceiving and producing high value manufactured goods, generating income to re-invest, supporting thousands of jobs and contributing significant sums to the nation’s coffers.

I'll echo this but add that they could improve some aspects of their product quality if they want greater success.