RE: McLaren sales up 43 per cent

[Onehp]

Rovinghawk said:

scenario8 said:

Thanks for conceiving and producing high value manufactured goods, generating income to re-invest, supporting thousands of jobs and contributing significant sums to the nation’s coffers.

I'll echo this but add that they could improve some aspects of their product quality if they want greater success.

I'm not British and admire what they have accomplished...

My limited experience of Ferrari (458 sounds epic but the driving or the interior was not) and hearsay tells me they aren't perfect there either, but there most niggles are covered by the blanket of love (of value)...

[cookie1600]

isaldiri said:

Well it's true about the Nissan/twr original link, just that it's been very extensively redone by Ricardo that it's a bit grasping at straws for people to call it a 20 year old Nissan engine..

Absolutely!

Ricardo have developed an engine for McLaren based loosely on previous Nissan VRH engine architecture that now performs reliably up to 710 bhp in M840T form, took the 2013 International Engine of the Year award and has a road car warranty applied to it.

I don't get the "Porsche and Ferrari are better at this". Maybe they are, maybe it's conjecture, but where were both those companies just seven or eight years after starting full production? (the 356 was still using Beetle engine parts, due admittedly to the largely post-war situation). I think it's an enormous achievement given the relatively short time and I support them as an exporting British company, and as a technological development company.

[Streetrod]

Rich_W said:

Matty3 said:

Rich_W said:

Totally inaccurate stuff

Ever thought of a career change? - The Sun crave folk like you

Feel free to post my inaccuracies fko

ETA How come nearly EVERY thread you've posted on in the last 60 days is McLaren related? (Only 4 aren't!) Employee? Or just weirdo!

Maldini35 said:

Hmmm aren’t the Porsche SUV’s basically VW’s?
Not really comparing apples with apples is it.

Audis actually.

Maldini35 said:

You criticise McLaren for using Ricardo gearboxes then laud Porsche’s diverse model range - which just so happen to share, chassis, engines and gearboxes with VW’s.
Double standards?

Not at all double standards. EVERY post 2012 McLaren model. 12c/650s/720s/540/570/Senna/Speedtail has used the same idea. Carbon tub, V8TT, 2 seats. In EVERY model of car. That's not diversity.

Porsche are far from perfect. But even discounting the Audi Q5/Q7/Macan/Cayenne platform sharing they do mid engine, rear engine and front engine cars. And 4s,6s, 8, and 10 cylinder engines. 2 and 4 doors.

ETA

Please point out where I was criticising Ricardo anyway? Firstly I was wrong about the gearbox link to the current cars. But if anything I was saying how can their products be so unreliable given they aren't a start up but have many years experience. As it turns out the gearbox manufacturer (Oerlikon) in the cars also supplies Ferrari etc so they should be ok. So why are they having issues.

Maldini35 said:

Truly Bizarre.

The only bizarre thing is you fanbois who cant bear for ANYONE to point out a difference of opinion on a brand! Specifically when EVERY fkING TIME I post I mention how much I like certain models. F1, SLR, 12C, and P1. So far from anti their products, just that they need to diversify urgently IMO.

If you don't like counter opinions, clearly you need to turn off your computer and never use PH again! I can only surmise you feel there's no need to broaden their range a bit instead of rolling out another 3 far-too-similar models over the next 2 years.

Edited by Rich_W on Monday 7th January 22:22

How long have Porsche been in existence, then look at the time between different model/engine releases? Then compare that to how long Mclaren as a modern day road car company have existed and you will realise these stupid comparisons between the types of engines and sector variants in non sensical.

Mclaren are competing in one of the most difficult sectors and are winning, the fact that they have been around for such a sort space of time where are their main rivals have existed for way over 50 years is a great testimate. What the others have to worry about, is what they will come up with in the next ten years...

[Wammer]

Streetrod said:

Rich_W said:

Matty3 said:

Rich_W said:

Totally inaccurate stuff

Ever thought of a career change? - The Sun crave folk like you

Feel free to post my inaccuracies fko

ETA How come nearly EVERY thread you've posted on in the last 60 days is McLaren related? (Only 4 aren't!) Employee? Or just weirdo!

Maldini35 said:

Hmmm aren’t the Porsche SUV’s basically VW’s?
Not really comparing apples with apples is it.

Audis actually.

Maldini35 said:

You criticise McLaren for using Ricardo gearboxes then laud Porsche’s diverse model range - which just so happen to share, chassis, engines and gearboxes with VW’s.
Double standards?

Not at all double standards. EVERY post 2012 McLaren model. 12c/650s/720s/540/570/Senna/Speedtail has used the same idea. Carbon tub, V8TT, 2 seats. In EVERY model of car. That's not diversity.

Porsche are far from perfect. But even discounting the Audi Q5/Q7/Macan/Cayenne platform sharing they do mid engine, rear engine and front engine cars. And 4s,6s, 8, and 10 cylinder engines. 2 and 4 doors.

ETA

Please point out where I was criticising Ricardo anyway? Firstly I was wrong about the gearbox link to the current cars. But if anything I was saying how can their products be so unreliable given they aren't a start up but have many years experience. As it turns out the gearbox manufacturer (Oerlikon) in the cars also supplies Ferrari etc so they should be ok. So why are they having issues.

Maldini35 said:

Truly Bizarre.

The only bizarre thing is you fanbois who cant bear for ANYONE to point out a difference of opinion on a brand! Specifically when EVERY fkING TIME I post I mention how much I like certain models. F1, SLR, 12C, and P1. So far from anti their products, just that they need to diversify urgently IMO.

If you don't like counter opinions, clearly you need to turn off your computer and never use PH again! I can only surmise you feel there's no need to broaden their range a bit instead of rolling out another 3 far-too-similar models over the next 2 years.

Edited by Rich_W on Monday 7th January 22:22

How long have Porsche been in existence, then look at the time between different model/engine releases? Then compare that to how long Mclaren as a modern day road car company have existed and you will realise these stupid comparisons between the types of engines and sector variants in non sensical.

Mclaren are competing in one of the most difficult sectors and are winning, the fact that they have been around for such a sort space of time where are their main rivals have existed for way over 50 years is a great testimate. What the others have to worry about, is what they will come up with in the next ten years...

Absolutely couldn't agree with you more.

[Gatsods]

Rich_W said:

Matty3 said:

Rich_W said:

Totally inaccurate stuff

Ever thought of a career change? - The Sun crave folk like you

Feel free to post my inaccuracies fko

ETA How come nearly EVERY thread you've posted on in the last 60 days is McLaren related? (Only 4 aren't!) Employee? Or just weirdo!

Maldini35 said:

Hmmm aren’t the Porsche SUV’s basically VW’s?
Not really comparing apples with apples is it.

Audis actually.

Maldini35 said:

You criticise McLaren for using Ricardo gearboxes then laud Porsche’s diverse model range - which just so happen to share, chassis, engines and gearboxes with VW’s.
Double standards?

Not at all double standards. EVERY post 2012 McLaren model. 12c/650s/720s/540/570/Senna/Speedtail has used the same idea. Carbon tub, V8TT, 2 seats. In EVERY model of car. That's not diversity.

Porsche are far from perfect. But even discounting the Audi Q5/Q7/Macan/Cayenne platform sharing they do mid engine, rear engine and front engine cars. And 4s,6s, 8, and 10 cylinder engines. 2 and 4 doors.

ETA

Please point out where I was criticising Ricardo anyway? Firstly I was wrong about the gearbox link to the current cars. But if anything I was saying how can their products be so unreliable given they aren't a start up but have many years experience. As it turns out the gearbox manufacturer (Oerlikon) in the cars also supplies Ferrari etc so they should be ok. So why are they having issues.

Maldini35 said:

Truly Bizarre.

The only bizarre thing is you fanbois who cant bear for ANYONE to point out a difference of opinion on a brand! Specifically when EVERY fkING TIME I post I mention how much I like certain models. F1, SLR, 12C, and P1. So far from anti their products, just that they need to diversify urgently IMO.

If you don't like counter opinions, clearly you need to turn off your computer and never use PH again! I can only surmise you feel there's no need to broaden their range a bit instead of rolling out another 3 far-too-similar models over the next 2 years.

Edited by Rich_W on Monday 7th January 22:22

The Speedtail has three seats.........

[Denorth]

Gatsods said:

The Speedtail has three seats.........

nailed it

[Denorth]

Koenigsegg is the worst... never made 3 seater.

Always - carbon fibre monocoque, V8 and 2 seats. Horrible...

[Oily76]

J4CKO said:

there is a thread in the Lounge about "British pride", and I personally am not noisily patriotic and I am not part of McLarens success in any way shape or form, But it is fantastic and heart warming to see a British company in next to no time come from nowhere (racing cars and a short but fantastic back catalog notwithstanding) and produce something that competes on an even footing with the worlds best in what is next to no time.

Seconded! Or thirded / fourthed etc., haven't read the rest of the comments

[jonah35]

As an owner trust me they’re useless

A boosty laggy engine that feels like it should be out of an old Cosworth
Lack of sound
Interiors well behind lambo
Drop like a stone residuals wise

Running a lambo is far cheaper, they sound better and are better built

The finance companies now hate dealing with Mclaren as they’re all under water on their pcp deals

Mclaren are losing it

They need to tighten supply and help residuals otherwise all owners will be going back to Ferrari and lambo

Utterly shambolic management

[CaptainSensib1e]

Oily76 said:

J4CKO said:

there is a thread in the Lounge about "British pride", and I personally am not noisily patriotic and I am not part of McLarens success in any way shape or form, But it is fantastic and heart warming to see a British company in next to no time come from nowhere (racing cars and a short but fantastic back catalog notwithstanding) and produce something that competes on an even footing with the worlds best in what is next to no time.

Seconded! Or thirded / fourthed etc., haven't read the rest of the comments

Another +1 here

Was never really interested in the McLaren range, but the 600LT has really caught my attention. Looks absolutely mental, as a super car should, plus every review I've read really rates them as a drivers car. If I had the cash, which sadly I don't, it would certainly be on my shopping list.

Well done McLaren.

[Matty3]

Rich_W said:

Matty3 said:

Rich_W said:

Totally inaccurate stuff

Ever thought of a career change? - The Sun crave folk like you

Feel free to post my inaccuracies fko

ETA How come nearly EVERY thread you've posted on in the last 60 days is McLaren related? (Only 4 aren't!) Employee? Or just weirdo!

Edited by Rich_W on Monday 7th January 22:22

Wierdo - probably :
McLaren employee - def not
McLaren owner in March - most certainly and getting rather excited by the day

Thanks :

Edited by Matty3 on Tuesday 8th January 18:08

[Maldini35]

jonah35 said:

As an owner trust me they’re useless

Owner?
Really?
From what you say, you can’t have taken a rest drive.
I call custard.
Happy to be proven wrong mind🙂

Edited by Maldini35 on Tuesday 8th January 18:15

[anonymous-user]

jonah35 said:

...
Interiors well behind lambo
...

GTFO! Lambo interiors are a childish mess. It's a car, not a fighter jet. Embarrassing for anyone over 21 surely. Gopping Senna 'iPad on the dash like a horrible rental c class' aside Macca interiors are brilliantly minimal.

[DT398]

Maldini35 said:

jonah35 said:

As an owner trust me they’re useless

Owner?
Really?
From what you say, you can’t have taken a rest drive.
I call custard.
Happy to be proven wrong mind??

Edited by Maldini35 on Tuesday 8th January 18:15

I owned a 650 spider for a year or so and recognise Johnas comments.

What’s irritating about the piece is trumpeting “record sales” when really the whole article is about volume / units. . How about telling us about revenue, margins, profits and cash? I’m sure if they were all stellar, we’d be hearing all about them.

The supercar world. Is a better place with McLaren in it, but increasing volume, eye watering depreciation, over stocked dealers offering massive discounts and poor after sales is not a recipe for big volumes or repeat customers imho, which is what they need for long term success. They have ridden up on the bonkers sports car market bubble in the last few years and hopefully they can ride out what’s most likely coming (and to some extent is already here).

[Rich_W]

Maldini35 said:

Still no answer as to why on earth you applied to work at McLaren given your view of the company?

Or is it simply that your view has changed in light of it not working out?

I'm getting really fking bored of your ad hom attacks you stalker!

Do you want to know all the other companies I've ever applied or worked for? Lets start with some of the more well known ones.

Applied for and was offered jobs with Benetton F1, Arrows and Reynard.
Applied for and rejected by Prodrive. (when they ran the Ferrari GT programme) And also VW motorsport when they ran/developed the national level Polo rally car
I've done evaluations for a 3rd party of Bentley, Aston Martin and Lamborghini products
Extensive working with ALL the German manufacturers. And briefly Range Rover.
And also fabricated for a specialist vehicle company that are 1 of only 2 companies in the country making these vehicles. (its not as fancy as I make it sound )
Extensive work with Carbon composites too
Couple of applications to Williams F1 as well
Also applied for the local Threshers Offy when I was at college. Had an interview, but didn't get offered the job.


And Yes I applied for, and had a brief phone conversation with McLaren Automotive in roughly 2011 IIRC, where as I've said previously they weren't offering market rate for the job IMO. So it went no further. That's life.

You can put that all into your database on me. It'll help in some way to validate your life

if you work in Vehicle Engineering, it's hardly a surprise you'll apply for companies that are involved with vehicle engineering.

It's also unlikely that you will apply for, and get EVERY job You must be the type of person that only ever takes 100% perfect, guaranteed shots in life. Bit dull. But hey if you're happy.

You seem to want to make out I have some grudge against McLaren. It's not a grudge, its a gripe (also shared by others) that they could do so much more than they seem to want to. And as ever you ignore the fact that I have stated numerous times which of their back catalogue I would love to own.


You won't remember it, because it doesn't fit your strawman argument. But I slated Aston when they were doing the same st back with DB9 was launched, then DBS then Vantage then Virage. All fundamentally the same cars with slight tweaks. At the time I said something to the effect of "surely they can do better" Early DB9s weren't made to a standard benefiting of the brand or price either IMO

So feel free to bring this all up again you weirdo in the future if I (and others) question the point of the next McLaren being a 2 seater, carbon tubbed, V8TT mid engine supercar....

Do you still stalk your exes on Facebook or hide in the bushes outside their homes? That's the vibe you're giving off here! fking weirdo!

Gatsods said:

The Speedtail has three seats.........

Pah! You know what I mean

Denorth said:

Koenigsegg is the worst... never made 3 seater.

Always - carbon fibre monocoque, V8 and 2 seats. Horrible...

I'm not convinced they and McLaren should exist in the same breath! How many 'Eggs built? And remember when they first launched (03 IIRC) they were more unreliable than a Politicians promise! McLaren are miles ahead of them (as they should be!)

Streetrod said:

How long have Porsche been in existence, then look at the time between different model/engine releases? Then compare that to how long Mclaren as a modern day road car company have existed and you will realise these stupid comparisons between the types of engines and sector variants in non sensical.

Mclaren are competing in one of the most difficult sectors and are winning, the fact that they have been around for such a sort space of time where are their main rivals have existed for way over 50 years is a great testimate. What the others have to worry about, is what they will come up with in the next ten years...

Whilst I agree they have only been mass producing for a short time, it's not non sensical to query their product line up. Did hey really need to facelift/LCI 12C within 2 years to 650s? Was there a need for 570GT? When 570s existed? They've clearly got the money to develop these cars. And going forward they want to bring out loads in short time as possible it seems. So why not put a team on doing something radically different? I'm not saying they should build an SUV (though I guarantee it would outsell all the other models as Porsche found out when they launched the pig ugly 9PA Cayenne!) Think how many people with kids or family would LOVE a V12 McLaren GT 2+2 or a 4 door Panamera equivalent. (they could even bung in the V8TT to keep the lady stalker Maldini happy ) Look at the recent Zagato Shooting Brake. Mental looking thing, but they'll sell them all. So a relatively niche vehicle appeals to the well heeled clients of this world. Why not tap into that market?

They want to compete with Porsche, Ferrari, even AMG then they need to steal sales from them. IMO

Maldini35 said:

jonah35 said:

As an owner trust me they’re useless

Owner?
Really?
From what you say, you can’t have taken a rest drive.
I call custard.
Happy to be proven wrong mind??

You're either a McLaren low level employee, some saddo sitting there in a replica McLaren race suit whilst typing, or you're literally insane! A probable owner (and there's another post below from DT398) queries the cars/brand and you instantly attack them! You need to realise you're coming across as pathetic as the whitest of knights!

"no one must speak ill of the Woking brand, for I shall declare my love for Zac and defend thou honor"

fking loony!

[anonymous-user]

Matty3 said:

Wierdo - probably :
McLaren employee - def not
McLaren owner in March - most certainly and getting rather excited by the day

Thanks :

Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 8th January 18:08

You’ve got more in common with Rich W than you think.

He isn’t a McLaren employee either

[Sandpit Steve]

Scobblelotcher said:

I have to admit watching DragTimes on YouTube blowing away nearly everything in his 720s and wonder how much of an effect this has on the brand.

Here’s his year review - his 720s vs 30 other cars.
https://youtu.be/lC7SNg2BUPQ

Yes, quite astonishing how everything gets blown away by it. His dyno gave it 690hp at the wheels, so more like 750 than 720 at the engine.

30 1/4 mile races and he only lost two of them, against a 918 Spyder on a slippery track and a mad 1,200bhp GT-R on race gas. That he runs 9s so consistently is a huge tribute to both car and driver.

[Wammer]

Rich_W said:

Maldini35 said:

Still no answer as to why on earth you applied to work at McLaren given your view of the company?

Or is it simply that your view has changed in light of it not working out?

I'm getting really fking bored of your ad hom attacks you stalker!

Do you want to know all the other companies I've ever applied or worked for? Lets start with some of the more well known ones.

Applied for and was offered jobs with Benetton F1, Arrows and Reynard.
Applied for and rejected by Prodrive. (when they ran the Ferrari GT programme) And also VW motorsport when they ran/developed the national level Polo rally car
I've done evaluations for a 3rd party of Bentley, Aston Martin and Lamborghini products
Extensive working with ALL the German manufacturers. And briefly Range Rover.
And also fabricated for a specialist vehicle company that are 1 of only 2 companies in the country making these vehicles. (its not as fancy as I make it sound )
Extensive work with Carbon composites too
Couple of applications to Williams F1 as well
Also applied for the local Threshers Offy when I was at college. Had an interview, but didn't get offered the job.


And Yes I applied for, and had a brief phone conversation with McLaren Automotive in roughly 2011 IIRC, where as I've said previously they weren't offering market rate for the job IMO. So it went no further. That's life.

You can put that all into your database on me. It'll help in some way to validate your life

if you work in Vehicle Engineering, it's hardly a surprise you'll apply for companies that are involved with vehicle engineering.

It's also unlikely that you will apply for, and get EVERY job You must be the type of person that only ever takes 100% perfect, guaranteed shots in life. Bit dull. But hey if you're happy.

You seem to want to make out I have some grudge against McLaren. It's not a grudge, its a gripe (also shared by others) that they could do so much more than they seem to want to. And as ever you ignore the fact that I have stated numerous times which of their back catalogue I would love to own.


You won't remember it, because it doesn't fit your strawman argument. But I slated Aston when they were doing the same st back with DB9 was launched, then DBS then Vantage then Virage. All fundamentally the same cars with slight tweaks. At the time I said something to the effect of "surely they can do better" Early DB9s weren't made to a standard benefiting of the brand or price either IMO

So feel free to bring this all up again you weirdo in the future if I (and others) question the point of the next McLaren being a 2 seater, carbon tubbed, V8TT mid engine supercar....

Do you still stalk your exes on Facebook or hide in the bushes outside their homes? That's the vibe you're giving off here! fking weirdo!

Gatsods said:

The Speedtail has three seats.........

Pah! You know what I mean

Denorth said:

Koenigsegg is the worst... never made 3 seater.

Always - carbon fibre monocoque, V8 and 2 seats. Horrible...

I'm not convinced they and McLaren should exist in the same breath! How many 'Eggs built? And remember when they first launched (03 IIRC) they were more unreliable than a Politicians promise! McLaren are miles ahead of them (as they should be!)

Streetrod said:

How long have Porsche been in existence, then look at the time between different model/engine releases? Then compare that to how long Mclaren as a modern day road car company have existed and you will realise these stupid comparisons between the types of engines and sector variants in non sensical.

Mclaren are competing in one of the most difficult sectors and are winning, the fact that they have been around for such a sort space of time where are their main rivals have existed for way over 50 years is a great testimate. What the others have to worry about, is what they will come up with in the next ten years...

Whilst I agree they have only been mass producing for a short time, it's not non sensical to query their product line up. Did hey really need to facelift/LCI 12C within 2 years to 650s? Was there a need for 570GT? When 570s existed? They've clearly got the money to develop these cars. And going forward they want to bring out loads in short time as possible it seems. So why not put a team on doing something radically different? I'm not saying they should build an SUV (though I guarantee it would outsell all the other models as Porsche found out when they launched the pig ugly 9PA Cayenne!) Think how many people with kids or family would LOVE a V12 McLaren GT 2+2 or a 4 door Panamera equivalent. (they could even bung in the V8TT to keep the lady stalker Maldini happy ) Look at the recent Zagato Shooting Brake. Mental looking thing, but they'll sell them all. So a relatively niche vehicle appeals to the well heeled clients of this world. Why not tap into that market?

They want to compete with Porsche, Ferrari, even AMG then they need to steal sales from them. IMO

Maldini35 said:

jonah35 said:

As an owner trust me they’re useless

Owner?
Really?
From what you say, you can’t have taken a rest drive.
I call custard.
Happy to be proven wrong mind??

You're either a McLaren low level employee, some saddo sitting there in a replica McLaren race suit whilst typing, or you're literally insane! A probable owner (and there's another post below from DT398) queries the cars/brand and you instantly attack them! You need to realise you're coming across as pathetic as the whitest of knights!

"no one must speak ill of the Woking brand, for I shall declare my love for Zac and defend thou honor"

fking loony!

Very interesting what you have said there but how many different engines do Ferrari produce? The answer is 2, a V8 and V12. The V8 has been around since the Ferrari F355 and the V12 goes back to the 575. So im not exactly sure what your problem is with McLaren who have produced one engine in 8 years when Ferrari have been using the same 2 engines for over 20 years. Also they have produced 3 different chassis' and have developed a Hybrid system. I think all is all that's pretty impressive in 8 years.

Show me another Manufacturer that has done more in there first 8 years?

[Maldini35]

Rich_W said:

Maldini35 said:

Still no answer as to why on earth you applied to work at McLaren given your view of the company?

Or is it simply that your view has changed in light of it not working out?

I'm getting really fking bored of your ad hom attacks you stalker!

Do you want to know all the other companies I've ever applied or worked for? Lets start with some of the more well known ones.

Applied for and was offered jobs with Benetton F1, Arrows and Reynard.
Applied for and rejected by Prodrive. (when they ran the Ferrari GT programme) And also VW motorsport when they ran/developed the national level Polo rally car
I've done evaluations for a 3rd party of Bentley, Aston Martin and Lamborghini products
Extensive working with ALL the German manufacturers. And briefly Range Rover.
And also fabricated for a specialist vehicle company that are 1 of only 2 companies in the country making these vehicles. (its not as fancy as I make it sound )
Extensive work with Carbon composites too
Couple of applications to Williams F1 as well
Also applied for the local Threshers Offy when I was at college. Had an interview, but didn't get offered the job.


And Yes I applied for, and had a brief phone conversation with McLaren Automotive in roughly 2011 IIRC, where as I've said previously they weren't offering market rate for the job IMO. So it went no further. That's life.

You can put that all into your database on me. It'll help in some way to validate your life

if you work in Vehicle Engineering, it's hardly a surprise you'll apply for companies that are involved with vehicle engineering.

It's also unlikely that you will apply for, and get EVERY job You must be the type of person that only ever takes 100% perfect, guaranteed shots in life. Bit dull. But hey if you're happy.

You seem to want to make out I have some grudge against McLaren. It's not a grudge, its a gripe (also shared by others) that they could do so much more than they seem to want to. And as ever you ignore the fact that I have stated numerous times which of their back catalogue I would love to own.


You won't remember it, because it doesn't fit your strawman argument. But I slated Aston when they were doing the same st back with DB9 was launched, then DBS then Vantage then Virage. All fundamentally the same cars with slight tweaks. At the time I said something to the effect of "surely they can do better" Early DB9s weren't made to a standard benefiting of the brand or price either IMO

So feel free to bring this all up again you weirdo in the future if I (and others) question the point of the next McLaren being a 2 seater, carbon tubbed, V8TT mid engine supercar....

Do you still stalk your exes on Facebook or hide in the bushes outside their homes? That's the vibe you're giving off here! fking weirdo!

Gatsods said:

The Speedtail has three seats.........

Pah! You know what I mean

Denorth said:

Koenigsegg is the worst... never made 3 seater.

Always - carbon fibre monocoque, V8 and 2 seats. Horrible...

I'm not convinced they and McLaren should exist in the same breath! How many 'Eggs built? And remember when they first launched (03 IIRC) they were more unreliable than a Politicians promise! McLaren are miles ahead of them (as they should be!)

Streetrod said:

How long have Porsche been in existence, then look at the time between different model/engine releases? Then compare that to how long Mclaren as a modern day road car company have existed and you will realise these stupid comparisons between the types of engines and sector variants in non sensical.

Mclaren are competing in one of the most difficult sectors and are winning, the fact that they have been around for such a sort space of time where are their main rivals have existed for way over 50 years is a great testimate. What the others have to worry about, is what they will come up with in the next ten years...

Whilst I agree they have only been mass producing for a short time, it's not non sensical to query their product line up. Did hey really need to facelift/LCI 12C within 2 years to 650s? Was there a need for 570GT? When 570s existed? They've clearly got the money to develop these cars. And going forward they want to bring out loads in short time as possible it seems. So why not put a team on doing something radically different? I'm not saying they should build an SUV (though I guarantee it would outsell all the other models as Porsche found out when they launched the pig ugly 9PA Cayenne!) Think how many people with kids or family would LOVE a V12 McLaren GT 2+2 or a 4 door Panamera equivalent. (they could even bung in the V8TT to keep the lady stalker Maldini happy ) Look at the recent Zagato Shooting Brake. Mental looking thing, but they'll sell them all. So a relatively niche vehicle appeals to the well heeled clients of this world. Why not tap into that market?

They want to compete with Porsche, Ferrari, even AMG then they need to steal sales from them. IMO

Maldini35 said:

jonah35 said:

As an owner trust me they’re useless

Owner?
Really?
From what you say, you can’t have taken a rest drive.
I call custard.
Happy to be proven wrong mind??

You're either a McLaren low level employee, some saddo sitting there in a replica McLaren race suit whilst typing, or you're literally insane! A probable owner (and there's another post below from DT398) queries the cars/brand and you instantly attack them! You need to realise you're coming across as pathetic as the whitest of knights!

"no one must speak ill of the Woking brand, for I shall declare my love for Zac and defend thou honor"

fking loony!

For someone who works in the industry some of your comments do come across as very naive.
Sure, why don’t they build great big SUV like everyone else?
Or a V12? (world trends might indicate a V12 is not a sensible option for the future)
Any idea how much it costs to develop a car?
Where would they build it?
How it would effect the brand?

I don’t know what role you do in automotive but I’d hazard a guess it’s not product strategy.

Anyway, if they did build an SUV , no doubt you’d be the first to put the boot in.

I guess I react to your relentlessly negative chipping away at every McLaren story.
Sure McLaren aren’t perfect, far from it, and they need to be called out when they fall short.
(They have a lot of work to do in terms of aftersales for example)
However, your posts seem to lack any objectivity and the perception is you just want to throw mud at them.
Maybe I’m wrong but that’s how it comes across - which is why a few others on here have been challenging you too.
It’s not just me.

As you said earlier, if you don’t like opposing opinions you probably shouldn’t be on PH...

I’ll ignore the personal abuse and suggest we draw a line under this.

[SuperBaaaad]

wrexham500 said:

I’ve never posted on Piston Heads before but check in to read it every day. These negative Mclaren posts have forced me to break my 15 year silence!

TOP LURKING!

Surely you're now the PH lurking record holder...