RE: New Porsche 911 Cabriolet unveiled
Discussion
highway said:
Driving roof down adds a dimension to any car. I assume those with hate for this generally don’t care for convertibles? I think this looks great, as did the 991 cab.
The for the ladies comments are laughable. Driving a convertible has gone from niche, to high fashion, to naff since I’ve been driving- 30 years. Perhaps that bothers some.
Taking a new 911 cab on a road trip, assuming interesting roads, would be far more immersive for me than doing the same trip, trapped in an air conditioned metal box.
This echoes my thoughts somewhat. My OH has a 991 C4S Cab. Personally I'd always buy the coupe and the coupe is a bit better to drive - though the 911 cab is impressive given the engineering compromise associated with its decapitation - but on a dry day there is definitely a dimension added by being outside, so to speak. And tunnels with sports exhaust and max revs are childish fun.The for the ladies comments are laughable. Driving a convertible has gone from niche, to high fashion, to naff since I’ve been driving- 30 years. Perhaps that bothers some.
Taking a new 911 cab on a road trip, assuming interesting roads, would be far more immersive for me than doing the same trip, trapped in an air conditioned metal box.
As highway says, on a road trip on good roads these are very immersive.
I'd agree that the 911 cab isn't the prettiest cab out there but so much hate of the looks surprises me somewhat on a forum that loves the MX5 so much - the current MX5 I think looks especially poor.
I do still prefer my Cayman, however.
p1stonhead said:
3.8s to 60 for the regular carrera s is mind boggling. Progress is rapid. Whats the Turbo S going to be like?!
The 911 Turbo S from about 10 years ago is the quickest thing I've been in. 0-60 2.7 ish. there is a vid of 911 v Veyron v GTR to see the quickest sub 3 second car.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jOQFMlpdVI
Having the engine in the rear, with very wide tyres will always give the 911 great traction and sprint times
If you want a soft top Porsche and are serious about driving, you buy a Boxster, preffrebly one with six cylinders in the back. 911 cabs are not a driver's car, they are a dynamically flawed heavy beast. Drove a 997 gen2 CS and it was like jelly. Yes, quicker in a straight line but when it came to the twisty stuff it wouldn't have seen which way the Boxster went. As someone has already said, a poser mobile for driving around the city. More weight and more power to discguise it.
Big GT said:
p1stonhead said:
3.8s to 60 for the regular carrera s is mind boggling. Progress is rapid. Whats the Turbo S going to be like?!
The 911 Turbo S from about 10 years ago is the quickest thing I've been in. 0-60 2.7 ish. there is a vid of 911 v Veyron v GTR to see the quickest sub 3 second car.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jOQFMlpdVI
Having the engine in the rear, with very wide tyres will always give the 911 great traction and sprint times
Obviously the more powerful supercharged is faster but 0-60 is a bit of a blunt instrument to measure relative performance and, especially for very quick cars the times are so short it is difficult, when power goes past a certain point to actually deploy it, twice as much power wont make a 500 bhp car twice as fast in that increment as traction is such an issue.
So, there is a degree of contrivance, measure it, then dont show it as being as fast (in that increment) as the next model up, but show it as being faster than the previous model.
it doesnt really matter as its a fairly pointless increment, but people do tend to look at it, I suspect nearer to three secs will be possible.
NJJ said:
Some cars are born to be 2+2 convertibles Maserati GranTurismo, Jaguar XK, Aston DB11 etc. This is not one of them. Great as a coupe but the proportions especially in profile or when viewed from the rear is anything but elegant.
To be fair, the 911 itself has never been an elegant car. Nor has it ever really traded on its 'good looks'. It's pretty obvious that the 911 will alsway be made and it will always look the same so that doesn't leave much scope for the designers to be adventurous. I mean can you ever think Porsche will issue a press release stating that "we will cease to make the 911 model" or "introducing the new front engined 911" ..no? Well, you're stuck with this then. Plus, there's plenty alternatives out there - you've even listed some!
markBXTR said:
If you want a soft top Porsche and are serious about driving, you buy a Boxster, preffrebly one with six cylinders in the back. 911 cabs are not a driver's car, they are a dynamically flawed heavy beast. Drove a 997 gen2 CS and it was like jelly. Yes, quicker in a straight line but when it came to the twisty stuff it wouldn't have seen which way the Boxster went. As someone has already said, a poser mobile for driving around the city. More weight and more power to discguise it.
Silly exaggeration there as far as my ownership experience is concerned'it wouldn't have seen which way the Boxster went' I very much doubt that. 997 has significantly more grip round corners than a Boxster in my experience, better brakes, hardly weighed more, and all generations have (in some cases much) more power coming out corners
'Drove a 997 gen2 CS and it was like jelly' maybe compared to a 997 GT3RS or a cup car but otherwise, another silly exaggeration. I owned one for 4 years, the overall 997 platform was developed for the cabriolet, to make it as stiff as possible, and I wouldn't say it felt significantly less ridged to me than the R8 coupe that I have at the moment
I think making comments like this cause negative stereotypes to exist and as a owner of several of these cars don't agree with or remotely recognise any of your feedback
Wow 3 pages and not one person has slagged off Porsche for using the same design for the last 50 years.
If this was a McLaren thread there would be post after post saying they have been using the same chassis and engine for the last 8 years and the design is so boring.
It is so utterly pathetic that we slag off British achievement.
McLaren is a phenomenal success story. They have no parent company or parts bin to raid like Porsche do, but you congratulate Porsche but slag off McLaren it makes no sense.
If this was a McLaren thread there would be post after post saying they have been using the same chassis and engine for the last 8 years and the design is so boring.
It is so utterly pathetic that we slag off British achievement.
McLaren is a phenomenal success story. They have no parent company or parts bin to raid like Porsche do, but you congratulate Porsche but slag off McLaren it makes no sense.
I've always liked the 911 and I think this new one looks very good overall. In the age of fussy and over-styled cars with assorted creases, bulges, vents, etc. it's still a smooth and clean sports car shape. Some of the details like the black plastic in the bumpers I'm not overly keen on, but they look okay with a dark body colour (like the one pictured).
This rag top has a bit of a hunchback, bulbous shape at the rear, but the 911 always did, I don't think the proportions are much worse than past iterations. Maybe it's somewhat marmite judging by some of the comments, personally I'd rather a tin top but I'd wouldn't say no to one of these one day and I'm sure these will sell as they always have and do.
As for the price, north of £100k is a lot for this car in a historical sence, but it seems fairly consistent with the price inflation of luxury car, goods and other asset types that have generally outstripped wage inflation for most working people. It does follow the escalation in power and performance so one could perhaps justify the cost on those grounds as well.
This rag top has a bit of a hunchback, bulbous shape at the rear, but the 911 always did, I don't think the proportions are much worse than past iterations. Maybe it's somewhat marmite judging by some of the comments, personally I'd rather a tin top but I'd wouldn't say no to one of these one day and I'm sure these will sell as they always have and do.
As for the price, north of £100k is a lot for this car in a historical sence, but it seems fairly consistent with the price inflation of luxury car, goods and other asset types that have generally outstripped wage inflation for most working people. It does follow the escalation in power and performance so one could perhaps justify the cost on those grounds as well.
Edited by MX6 on Friday 11th January 14:38
User33678888 said:
Gameface said:
Pushing £110k for a Porsche Carrera.
Hard to believe.
It wasn't that long ago that these were 70ish new.Hard to believe.
What's caused the hike?
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