RE: New Porsche 911 Cabriolet unveiled

[Genuine Barn Find]

The rear end is gopping. The 991 was a lot cleaner - this looks like a 1970's Yank Tank. Rest of the car looks, well, like an evolved 911 (which is fine with me)

[mhurley]

it's pricey but how much are Boxster Spyders? 80 grand?

[StuH]

jakesmith said:

Silly exaggeration there as far as my ownership experience is concerned

'it wouldn't have seen which way the Boxster went' I very much doubt that. 997 has significantly more grip round corners than a Boxster in my experience, better brakes, hardly weighed more, and all generations have (in some cases much) more power coming out corners

'Drove a 997 gen2 CS and it was like jelly' maybe compared to a 997 GT3RS or a cup car but otherwise, another silly exaggeration. I owned one for 4 years, the overall 997 platform was developed for the cabriolet, to make it as stiff as possible, and I wouldn't say it felt significantly less ridged to me than the R8 coupe that I have at the moment

I think making comments like this cause negative stereotypes to exist and as a owner of several of these cars don't agree with or remotely recognise any of your feedback

Quite. I think we all know the markbxtr type. There’s a lot of it about sadly for a supposed ‘petrol head’ forum.

I’ll look forward to the day a boxster disappears in front of me :;):

I love my cab even though I’m still on the waiting list for my sex change

[Carl_Manchester]

donutskidmark said:

mersontheperson said:

It’s great that in this era, piston heads still writes content for the ladies

Lol.

+ estate agents and directors of recruitment companies

It’s great that in this era, i can rely on the piston heads article comments section to make me feel genetically superior and to be reminded what ‘real men’ think apart from their clutch slipping on their TVR or the latest in quality vape/beard trimming news.

[Galsia]

There has never been a good looking 911 cabrio or targa imo. The speedsters look even worse.

[Guvernator]

IknowJoseph said:

Inflation? My coupe was IIRC £77000 when new in 1999. According to the BoE that's over £126000 in today's money: https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/monetary-policy/in...

The problem with people always quoting inflation when price discussions come up is that on the whole most people's earnings or disposable income hasn't really inflated at the same rate to match hence why £110k (realistically £120k with essential options) seems like a lot of money.

The other issue is that Porches's have usually been a bit cheaper than other more exotic alternatives so a bit more justifiable in that regard, once it breaches the 6 figure barrier though psychologically it puts it into the same category as rather more tasty metal.

[anonymous-user]

IknowJoseph said:

User33678888 said:

Gameface said:

Pushing £110k for a Porsche Carrera.

Hard to believe.

It wasn't that long ago that these were 70ish new.
What's caused the hike?

Inflation? My coupe was IIRC £77000 when new in 1999. According to the BoE that's over £126000 in today's money: https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/monetary-policy/in...

£77k in 1999 @ 0.65 = €118k
€118k in 1999 = €166k in 2019
€166k @ 0.9 = £149k !

110 is a bargain!

[highway]

This forum is awash with people whose opinions are formed from the mouths of others. It’s so rife I’ve come to expect it.

I particularly like the expression that x car wouldn’t see where y car went out n a B road. It’s total nonsense. Given drivers of vaguely similar talent/recklessness and there is literally NO WAY a Boxster leaves a 911 cab anywhere. Add to this the guff spoken about ‘real’ drivers cars and ‘lack of rogidity’ being an issue on a modern top end convertible and you really have to despair.

Clarkson coined the term ‘poor man’s Porsche’ for the Boxster somewhere around 20 years ago. Even now some people dredge this weary cliche up as if they have just thought of it.

Any 911 is quite special to drive. This is a lot of money but to suggest it’s going to be less than special to drive is, unless you are regularly driving top end exotica, total drivel.

[Mackofthejungle]

Crazy how prices have jumped.. Inflation apparently, which seems to affect everything but income.

Seems weird how you could get a standard 997 new for a little over 60 grand just 10 years ago.

[Gilhooligan]

Mannginger said:

Has there ever been a good looking 911 cabriolet? That back end always looks so gopping with the roof down!

100% this. Would much rather have a top spec Boxster than the 911 cabriolet.

[av185]

WCZ said:

looks terrible, insanely overpriced and not even that powerful, a £60k c class amg has 50bhp more!

£60k for a ubiquitous C class which every man and his dog pcps. And which struggles to get the power down.

Laughable.

[av185]

Kierkegaard said:

It's pretty obvious that the 911 will always be made and it will always look the same so that doesn't leave much scope for the designers to be adventurous.

Yep perfection is clearly difficult to improve on.

[Dale487]

Mackofthejungle said:

Crazy how prices have jumped.. Inflation apparently, which seems to affect everything but income.

Seems weird how you could get a standard 997 new for a little over 60 grand just 10 years ago.

10 years ago C£21K got you a Golf GTI, you now need that kind of money is list price for a 1.0 113bhp SEAT Arona & about £30K for the Golf.

[jakesmith]

Mackofthejungle said:

Crazy how prices have jumped.. Inflation apparently, which seems to affect everything but income.

Seems weird how you could get a standard 997 new for a little over 60 grand just 10 years ago.

I had a very high spec 997 C4S that new in 2005 was £94k, in today's money that is a ridiculous £133k!!!

[MikeGalos]

fblm said:

IknowJoseph said:

User33678888 said:

Gameface said:

Pushing £110k for a Porsche Carrera.

Hard to believe.

It wasn't that long ago that these were 70ish new.
What's caused the hike?

Inflation? My coupe was IIRC £77000 when new in 1999. According to the BoE that's over £126000 in today's money: https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/monetary-policy/in...

£77k in 1999 @ 0.65 = €118k
€118k in 1999 = €166k in 2019
€166k @ 0.9 = £149k !

110 is a bargain!

Well, let's go back a bit.

In 1971 a 911T (the base model) sold for US$6,000. Using the currency conversion of the time that's £2,400. Adjusting for inflation that's £32,250
If we make that a 911S (the top of the line) that's US$8,000, £3,200 in 1971 Pounds and £43,000 after inflation.

[kainedog]

Mannginger said:

Has there ever been a good looking 911 cabriolet? That back end always looks so gopping with the roof down!

I think 964 cabriolets are achingly pretty things

[deltashad]

Convertible tops don't suit these.. whereas tasty targas can be sublime.

[jon-yprpe]

av185 said:

WCZ said:

looks terrible, insanely overpriced and not even that powerful, a £60k c class amg has 50bhp more!

£60k for a ubiquitous C class which every man and his dog pcps. And which struggles to get the power down.

Laughable.

I have a C63 - no probs putting the power down. Do you have probs with yours?

[noble12345]

Renault Megane MK2 Cab with Porsche badges anyone?

[mikey P 500]

Strange that when new the convertible 911 cost about 10% more than the coupe as when they get older they generally cost about 10% less like for like than the coupe models so must suffer worse depreciation. I also agree would pick the boxster if going for convertible as think looks far better.