RE: McLaren 720S Nordschleife lap: Time For Coffee

RE: McLaren 720S Nordschleife lap: Time For Coffee

Friday 11th January

McLaren 720S Nordschleife lap: Time For Coffee?

Sportauto's resident superstar finally gets his hands on the Super Series - can it match those pesky Porsches?



While Nurburgring lap times are nothing new, seeing a McLaren lap the Nordschleife is pretty significant. That's because, while McLaren does use the track for testing, it has famously never published a lap time - even when the P1 was rumoured to have lapped in less than seven minutes.

So here we have a standard 720S at the circuit everyone has an opinion on, running a Pirelli P Zero Corsa tyre (i.e. something less sticky than the Trofeo R offered on the 600LT, or Michelin's Cup 2R) and sportauto's ever-entertaining Christian Gebhardt behind the wheel. The conditions could hardly be better, the lap set in the late afternoon of a June day (why it's taken until now to be published we're not sure) and the driving as near-to-flawless as ever.

The result? Are you sure you want to know? Last chance to look away now... The 720S lap time is 7 minutes and 8 seconds, or 7:08.34 to be precise. In the sportauto rankings that put the car ahead of an AMG GT R (7:10.92), 488 GTB (7:21.63) and Corvette Z06 (7:13.90), but behind the Huracan Performante (only just though, with 7:07.99), and the two Rennsport Porsches - 7:05.41 for the GT3 RS and 6:58.28 for the GT2.

Various theories abound in the comments about just why that is, with tyres cited as the chief contributing factor. Still, that close to seven minutes on a 'regular' tyre is nothing to turn your nose up at, and makes for a video well worth watching. Bring on that faster, lighter, grippier Longtail...

 

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theRossatron

Original Poster:

851 posts

169 months

Friday 11th January
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Can we just start being proud of Mclaren please? thanks guys

Todd Bonzalez

1,815 posts

99 months

Friday 11th January
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That's a pretty heroic lap. Doesn't look easy. Love it! biggrin

MDL111

3,057 posts

114 months

Friday 11th January
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that is quite impressive, wonder what it would have achieved on the Trofeos.

It was faster than the GT2 RS, again on the Corsas, at the Hockenheimring I think in a SA test sometime mid last year

isaldiri

4,096 posts

105 months

Friday 11th January
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SportAuto did practically the same time with the Performante which was on a trofeo ie faster tyre. Yes that supposedly 6:52 factory lap Performante. That is a bloody good time that the 720 did with SA....

ghost83

2,672 posts

127 months

Friday 11th January
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And I bet the 7xxLT will blow them all away
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great_kahn

79 posts

23 months

Friday 11th January
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720s butchers that lot for outright straightline pace. Pretty embarrassing how fast the 720s compare with its so called competitors.

xjay1337

11,176 posts

55 months

Friday 11th January
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great_kahn said:
720s butchers that lot for outright straightline pace. Pretty embarrassing how fast the 720s compare with its so called competitors.
Proper super car compared to a sports car with a big engine.

J4CKO

26,055 posts

137 months

Friday 11th January
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great_kahn said:
720s butchers that lot for outright straightline pace. Pretty embarrassing how fast the 720s compare with its so called competitors.
Lot of comments that its nearer 800 bhp than 720 on that video.

Guvernator

9,213 posts

102 months

Friday 11th January
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Lots of people singing it's praises yet it's beaten by a Porsche that's £70k cheaper and down at least 220bhp on power.

Just sayin. wink

MX6

3,893 posts

150 months

Friday 11th January
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Awesome drive, seat of one pants stuff. It's a quick machine of course. I've thought the 720S looked good, but that seems even more appealing in the blue, tasty.

cib24

678 posts

90 months

Friday 11th January
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J4CKO said:
Lot of comments that its nearer 800 bhp than 720 on that video.
It frequently dynos at about 680-700 wheel horsepower on American dynos which implies around 790-820 brake horsepower. Of course American dynos tend to be a little optimistic but in any case there is enough evidence out there now to reasonably assume that the car makes more than the 710 bhp advertised.

MDL111

3,057 posts

114 months

Friday 11th January
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Guvernator said:
Lots of people singing it's praises yet it's beaten by a Porsche that's £70k cheaper and down at least 220bhp on power.

Just sayin. wink
Different type of tyre though - the Corsa is really more of a road than track tyre

roadsweeper

3,762 posts

211 months

Friday 11th January
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Guvernator said:
Lots of people singing it's praises yet it's beaten by a Porsche that's £70k cheaper and down at least 220bhp on power.

Just sayin. wink
Of course, you're not comparing apples with apples. The 720S is a road-focussed, everyday supercar; the GT2 RS is a track weapon that is also great on the road (albeit unlikely to be comfortable enough as a daily drive for all but the most fabulously hirsute) and is equipped with tyres that would make a huge difference. If the LT-derivative of the 720S does not beat the GT2 RS, and then by a decent margin (assuming 'equivalent' drivers), that is a different matter.

WCZ

6,090 posts

131 months

Friday 11th January
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Guvernator said:
Lots of people singing it's praises yet it's beaten by a Porsche that's £70k cheaper and down at least 220bhp on power.

Just sayin. wink
wasn't on trofs which didn't help and lets not forget sport auto times vs manufacturers

7:13 Porsche 918 Spyder (sport auto)
6:57 Porsche 918 Spyder (porsche)

16 seconds!

all things considered it's a very very good time

ghost83

2,672 posts

127 months

Friday 11th January
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Guvernator said:
Lots of people singing it's praises yet it's beaten by a Porsche that's £70k cheaper and down at least 220bhp on power.

Just sayin. wink
Both Porsche’s are modified and track honed I will bet my bottom dollar that both those Rennsport Porsche’s cost as much as a 720s plus the gt2rs and gt3rs are limited specials anyway whereas anyone can walk into Mclaren and buy a 720s,
Same goes for the huracan it’s honed for the track and has 4wd and is only just ahead! I’m guessing a pista will also be quicker than the standard 720s

BUT wait until Mclaren bring out there special edition LT that will have specific tyres and aero and more power quite frankly they will obliterate the others and I think it’s a testament that the 720 which came out a couple of yr ago is still as quick as Porsche’s Lamborghinis and Ferrari’s brand new current cars!

theRossatron

Original Poster:

851 posts

169 months

Friday 11th January
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Guvernator said:
Lots of people singing it's praises yet it's beaten by a Porsche that's £70k cheaper and down at least 220bhp on power.

Just sayin. wink
I think the list price becomes irrelevant when you can't buy one new!

Streetrod

6,347 posts

143 months

Friday 11th January
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Another thing to consider on the tires front is that the Porsche tyre are not only track optimised but they are considerably wider than the 720s tires.

Porsche 265/35 front 325/30 rear

720s 245/35 front 305/30 rear

So not only was the Porsche running a sticker tire but a much larger ones as well which makes the 720s time look very impressive

RobM77

31,767 posts

171 months

Friday 11th January
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Guvernator said:
Lots of people singing it's praises yet it's beaten by a Porsche that's £70k cheaper and down at least 220bhp on power.

Just sayin. wink
Engineering cars is always a compromise; at one end of the spectrum you've got pure racing cars, which are extremely fast on track, but utterly rubbish on the road, even with MoT requirements met; and at the other end you've got road cars that are rubbish on track, even with a setup to suit and the right tyres. The Porsche and McLaren just occupy different parts of that spectrum.

Onehp

728 posts

220 months

Friday 11th January
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Impressive considering the tyres and the fact that SA tests usually are a lot 'slower' than the manufacturer lap records and usually done with the same driver and therefore more comparable. Saw a TG vid on YT where the 720s was only 0,5s slower than a P1 around the same track (which name I forgot)...

isaldiri

4,096 posts

105 months

Friday 11th January
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Streetrod said:
Another thing to consider on the tires front is that the Porsche tyre are not only track optimised but they are considerably wider than the 720s tires.

Porsche 265/35 front 325/30 rear

720s 245/35 front 305/30 rear

So not only was the Porsche running a sticker tire but a much larger ones as well which makes the 720s time look very impressive
It's also Mclaren's own choice to run tyres that size. That the Porsche has wider tyres is neither here nor there.

Cup2 Rs that Porsche are using (and AMG before) are a game changer wrt to the silly laptime battle the manufacturers are engaged in.