RE: McLaren 720S Nordschleife lap: Time For Coffee

RE: McLaren 720S Nordschleife lap: Time For Coffee

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RobM77

35,349 posts

233 months

Friday 11th January 2019
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Onehp said:
Impressive considering the tyres and the fact that SA tests usually are a lot 'slower' than the manufacturer lap records and usually done with the same driver and therefore more comparable. Saw a TG vid on YT where the 720s was only 0,5s slower than a P1 around the same track (which name I forgot)...
Coincidentally, I watched that last night:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-P8EGzPAoJQ

The track is Portimao in Portugal.

c_seven

162 posts

191 months

Friday 11th January 2019
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Race suit with the sleeves rolled up - what a guy.

Quite a lap, but I can't help be slightly unimpressed that a mid-engined car with 720ps is 3 sec slower than a rear-engined one with 500ps. Looks like in the first half of the lap up to about Bergwerk the work rate was pretty high (guess that's why the sleeves were rolled up!) and front end grip was pretty limited, after that it looked like the tyre switched on a bit, so assume temperature was a factor, it also bottomed out at the front in a couple of places, which surprised me. Goes to show that manufacturers chasing more and more power doesn't necessarily equate to a faster car. looking forward to him putting the 600LT around in the spring.

isaldiri

18,410 posts

167 months

Friday 11th January 2019
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c_seven said:
Quite a lap, but I can't help be slightly unimpressed that a mid-engined car with 720ps is 3 sec slower than a rear-engined one with 500ps..
banghead cup 2 R. It's already been mentioned on the thread. Tyres are the major factor in lap times....

Venisonpie

3,231 posts

81 months

Friday 11th January 2019
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isaldiri said:
c_seven said:
Quite a lap, but I can't help be slightly unimpressed that a mid-engined car with 720ps is 3 sec slower than a rear-engined one with 500ps..
banghead cup 2 R. It's already been mentioned on the thread. Tyres are the major factor in lap times....
Quite. Out of the box regular Maccas running everyday rubber are just about the most potent road weapons available. Made in the UK by an emerging business that is taking the game to the establishment.

Get the aftercare up to scratch and it really will be a fabulous offer.

topboss

352 posts

252 months

Friday 11th January 2019
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I still don’t understand the fascination with n’burg lap times. Are people really that bothered by them? So many variables to consider that there basically worthless anyway.

Buy a car you like/want......simple.

greenarrow

3,551 posts

116 months

Friday 11th January 2019
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isaldiri said:
c_seven said:
Quite a lap, but I can't help be slightly unimpressed that a mid-engined car with 720ps is 3 sec slower than a rear-engined one with 500ps..
banghead cup 2 R. It's already been mentioned on the thread. Tyres are the major factor in lap times....
I know, its maddening isn't it!

When will these people get their heads around the fact that the RS Porsches and Performante Huracan are primarily designed for one thing, the fastest Nurburgring lap time and equipped accordingly with tyres and set up.

For the 720S you need to compare with the 488GTB, which is its true rival Its night and day faster, that's all you need to know really

Guvernator

13,104 posts

164 months

Friday 11th January 2019
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RobM77 said:
Engineering cars is always a compromise; at one end of the spectrum you've got pure racing cars, which are extremely fast on track, but utterly rubbish on the road, even with MoT requirements met; and at the other end you've got road cars that are rubbish on track, even with a setup to suit and the right tyres. The Porsche and McLaren just occupy different parts of that spectrum.
I know the GT3 RS is a bit more hardcore than the Mclaren but I wouldn't exactly call it unusable on the road either. Yes I appreciate tyres are a big factor but so is power, especially on the Ring and the Mclaren has over 200bhp more.

Anyway I have no skin in the game, it was just a counterpoint that while the Mclaren laptime is certainly impressive, so are some other cars.

the tribester

2,340 posts

85 months

Friday 11th January 2019
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Having watched that lap, and been taken by YouTube to other videos, I though this chap did OK.

Ducati V4 Panegale road bike, £24k, with a 72 year old rider, and traffic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZsrnHUVLJ8

smilo996

2,754 posts

169 months

Friday 11th January 2019
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From a standing start, McLaren have built an impressive array of cars in a short time.
I would guess that there will be one along shortly to best that time by a decent margin.

xjay1337

15,966 posts

117 months

Friday 11th January 2019
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the tribester said:
Having watched that lap, and been taken by YouTube to other videos, I though this chap did OK.

Ducati V4 Panegale road bike, £24k, with a 72 year old rider, and traffic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZsrnHUVLJ8
That's very impressive.

RobM77

35,349 posts

233 months

Friday 11th January 2019
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Guvernator said:
RobM77 said:
Engineering cars is always a compromise; at one end of the spectrum you've got pure racing cars, which are extremely fast on track, but utterly rubbish on the road, even with MoT requirements met; and at the other end you've got road cars that are rubbish on track, even with a setup to suit and the right tyres. The Porsche and McLaren just occupy different parts of that spectrum.
I know the GT3 RS is a bit more hardcore than the Mclaren but I wouldn't exactly call it unusable on the road either. Yes I appreciate tyres are a big factor but so is power, especially on the Ring and the Mclaren has over 200bhp more.

Anyway I have no skin in the game, it was just a counterpoint that while the Mclaren laptime is certainly impressive, so are some other cars.
I wasn't calling it unusable on the road at all, I was just defining each end of the spectrum, where on one end you have something like a Dauer 962, road legal Formula Ford etc, and at the other end you have an S Class. In terms of that spectrum, there's no doubt that the GT2 and GT3 RS models are more track orientated than the 720S, which I would call a GT car personally.

SidewaysSi

10,742 posts

233 months

Friday 11th January 2019
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Not bad for a sporty GT car buy if I genuinely wanted to track a car I'm this price range, it would be a Porsche every time.

Not sure no would trust Mc reliability when used hard.

Sandpit Steve

9,885 posts

73 months

Friday 11th January 2019
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smilo996 said:
From a standing start, McLaren have built an impressive array of cars in a short time.
I would guess that there will be one along shortly to best that time by a decent margin.
One named after a famous racing driver maybe?

Guvernator

13,104 posts

164 months

Friday 11th January 2019
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RobM77 said:
I wasn't calling it unusable on the road at all, I was just defining each end of the spectrum, where on one end you have something like a Dauer 962, road legal Formula Ford etc, and at the other end you have an S Class. In terms of that spectrum, there's no doubt that the GT2 and GT3 RS models are more track orientated than the 720S, which I would call a GT car personally.
Fair enough but you have to admit the 720S is a rather special road-car, it's a £210k carbon tubbed, mid engined, 710bhp+ car with top spec brakes, suspension and even aero. It's not like we are comparing an S class with a GT3. To me they aren't as far apart as some would have you think.

RobM77

35,349 posts

233 months

Friday 11th January 2019
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Guvernator said:
RobM77 said:
I wasn't calling it unusable on the road at all, I was just defining each end of the spectrum, where on one end you have something like a Dauer 962, road legal Formula Ford etc, and at the other end you have an S Class. In terms of that spectrum, there's no doubt that the GT2 and GT3 RS models are more track orientated than the 720S, which I would call a GT car personally.
Fair enough but you have to admit the 720S is a rather special road-car, it's a £210k carbon tubbed, mid engined, 710bhp+ car with top spec brakes, suspension and even aero. It's not like we are comparing an S class with a GT3. To me they aren't as far apart as some would have you think.
confused I never said we were - I was defining two ends of a spectrum and then saying that the 720S was in a different place on that spectrum to the GT3 and GT2.

SidewaysSi

10,742 posts

233 months

Friday 11th January 2019
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Sandpit Steve said:
smilo996 said:
From a standing start, McLaren have built an impressive array of cars in a short time.
I would guess that there will be one along shortly to best that time by a decent margin.
One named after a famous racing driver maybe?
The McLaren Bruce? The McLaren Alain? Or maybe the McLaren Andrew?

cayman-black

12,625 posts

215 months

Friday 11th January 2019
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SidewaysSi said:
Not bad for a sporty GT car buy if I genuinely wanted to track a car I'm this price range, it would be a Porsche every time.

Not sure no would trust Mc reliability when used hard.
Good luck with the 991.1GT3 then.

SidewaysSi

10,742 posts

233 months

Friday 11th January 2019
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cayman-black said:
SidewaysSi said:
Not bad for a sporty GT car buy if I genuinely wanted to track a car I'm this price range, it would be a Porsche every time.

Not sure no would trust Mc reliability when used hard.
Good luck with the 991.1GT3 then.
I know one way to throw money down the toilet is to buy a McLaren but are 720s at the £100k mark already?

cayman-black

12,625 posts

215 months

Friday 11th January 2019
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lol, don't post that on the Mclaren forum! They can't even give them back to the dealers.

I, m sure they soon will be.

Edited by cayman-black on Friday 11th January 16:34

Guvernator

13,104 posts

164 months

Friday 11th January 2019
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Strange, why do they suffer from such terrible depreciation? Is that in line with other supercars?