RE: McLaren 720S Nordschleife lap: Time For Coffee
Discussion
Onehp said:
Impressive considering the tyres and the fact that SA tests usually are a lot 'slower' than the manufacturer lap records and usually done with the same driver and therefore more comparable. Saw a TG vid on YT where the 720s was only 0,5s slower than a P1 around the same track (which name I forgot)...
Coincidentally, I watched that last night:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-P8EGzPAoJQ
The track is Portimao in Portugal.
Race suit with the sleeves rolled up - what a guy.
Quite a lap, but I can't help be slightly unimpressed that a mid-engined car with 720ps is 3 sec slower than a rear-engined one with 500ps. Looks like in the first half of the lap up to about Bergwerk the work rate was pretty high (guess that's why the sleeves were rolled up!) and front end grip was pretty limited, after that it looked like the tyre switched on a bit, so assume temperature was a factor, it also bottomed out at the front in a couple of places, which surprised me. Goes to show that manufacturers chasing more and more power doesn't necessarily equate to a faster car. looking forward to him putting the 600LT around in the spring.
Quite a lap, but I can't help be slightly unimpressed that a mid-engined car with 720ps is 3 sec slower than a rear-engined one with 500ps. Looks like in the first half of the lap up to about Bergwerk the work rate was pretty high (guess that's why the sleeves were rolled up!) and front end grip was pretty limited, after that it looked like the tyre switched on a bit, so assume temperature was a factor, it also bottomed out at the front in a couple of places, which surprised me. Goes to show that manufacturers chasing more and more power doesn't necessarily equate to a faster car. looking forward to him putting the 600LT around in the spring.
isaldiri said:
c_seven said:
Quite a lap, but I can't help be slightly unimpressed that a mid-engined car with 720ps is 3 sec slower than a rear-engined one with 500ps..
cup 2 R. It's already been mentioned on the thread. Tyres are the major factor in lap times....Get the aftercare up to scratch and it really will be a fabulous offer.
isaldiri said:
c_seven said:
Quite a lap, but I can't help be slightly unimpressed that a mid-engined car with 720ps is 3 sec slower than a rear-engined one with 500ps..
cup 2 R. It's already been mentioned on the thread. Tyres are the major factor in lap times....When will these people get their heads around the fact that the RS Porsches and Performante Huracan are primarily designed for one thing, the fastest Nurburgring lap time and equipped accordingly with tyres and set up.
For the 720S you need to compare with the 488GTB, which is its true rival Its night and day faster, that's all you need to know really
RobM77 said:
Engineering cars is always a compromise; at one end of the spectrum you've got pure racing cars, which are extremely fast on track, but utterly rubbish on the road, even with MoT requirements met; and at the other end you've got road cars that are rubbish on track, even with a setup to suit and the right tyres. The Porsche and McLaren just occupy different parts of that spectrum.
I know the GT3 RS is a bit more hardcore than the Mclaren but I wouldn't exactly call it unusable on the road either. Yes I appreciate tyres are a big factor but so is power, especially on the Ring and the Mclaren has over 200bhp more.Anyway I have no skin in the game, it was just a counterpoint that while the Mclaren laptime is certainly impressive, so are some other cars.
Having watched that lap, and been taken by YouTube to other videos, I though this chap did OK.
Ducati V4 Panegale road bike, £24k, with a 72 year old rider, and traffic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZsrnHUVLJ8
Ducati V4 Panegale road bike, £24k, with a 72 year old rider, and traffic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZsrnHUVLJ8
the tribester said:
Having watched that lap, and been taken by YouTube to other videos, I though this chap did OK.
Ducati V4 Panegale road bike, £24k, with a 72 year old rider, and traffic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZsrnHUVLJ8
That's very impressive. Ducati V4 Panegale road bike, £24k, with a 72 year old rider, and traffic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZsrnHUVLJ8
Guvernator said:
RobM77 said:
Engineering cars is always a compromise; at one end of the spectrum you've got pure racing cars, which are extremely fast on track, but utterly rubbish on the road, even with MoT requirements met; and at the other end you've got road cars that are rubbish on track, even with a setup to suit and the right tyres. The Porsche and McLaren just occupy different parts of that spectrum.
I know the GT3 RS is a bit more hardcore than the Mclaren but I wouldn't exactly call it unusable on the road either. Yes I appreciate tyres are a big factor but so is power, especially on the Ring and the Mclaren has over 200bhp more.Anyway I have no skin in the game, it was just a counterpoint that while the Mclaren laptime is certainly impressive, so are some other cars.
RobM77 said:
I wasn't calling it unusable on the road at all, I was just defining each end of the spectrum, where on one end you have something like a Dauer 962, road legal Formula Ford etc, and at the other end you have an S Class. In terms of that spectrum, there's no doubt that the GT2 and GT3 RS models are more track orientated than the 720S, which I would call a GT car personally.
Fair enough but you have to admit the 720S is a rather special road-car, it's a £210k carbon tubbed, mid engined, 710bhp+ car with top spec brakes, suspension and even aero. It's not like we are comparing an S class with a GT3. To me they aren't as far apart as some would have you think.Guvernator said:
RobM77 said:
I wasn't calling it unusable on the road at all, I was just defining each end of the spectrum, where on one end you have something like a Dauer 962, road legal Formula Ford etc, and at the other end you have an S Class. In terms of that spectrum, there's no doubt that the GT2 and GT3 RS models are more track orientated than the 720S, which I would call a GT car personally.
Fair enough but you have to admit the 720S is a rather special road-car, it's a £210k carbon tubbed, mid engined, 710bhp+ car with top spec brakes, suspension and even aero. It's not like we are comparing an S class with a GT3. To me they aren't as far apart as some would have you think.Sandpit Steve said:
smilo996 said:
From a standing start, McLaren have built an impressive array of cars in a short time.
I would guess that there will be one along shortly to best that time by a decent margin.
One named after a famous racing driver maybe? I would guess that there will be one along shortly to best that time by a decent margin.
cayman-black said:
SidewaysSi said:
Not bad for a sporty GT car buy if I genuinely wanted to track a car I'm this price range, it would be a Porsche every time.
Not sure no would trust Mc reliability when used hard.
Good luck with the 991.1GT3 then.Not sure no would trust Mc reliability when used hard.
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