RE: Behold the new Toyota Supra!

[torch_taylor]

WANT!!!!!!!

[ZX10R NIN]

saxon said:

I think the point is that the GT86 while not having genuine supercar road presence actually is a very well resolved design whereas the new Supra looks like a series of bolt on scoops and I feel the back doesn't look right at all. As for the interior then I do feel that this GT86 interior:



Is a far more sporting, driver focused and nicer place to be than this Supra interior which looks just like a BMW saloon:



Everyone's opinion is different of course. Personally I would have liked to see Toyota ape some of the McLaren design language for interiors - alcantara, simple, driver focused - in short like the GT86 but with a lot more money spent on materials.

Saxon

I can't disagree with the above I do think Toyota should've tried to make the interior more of their own.

[anonymous-user]

Couldn't disagree more - the interior of the GT86 is bloody dreadful to look at and be in. But as you say, each to their own!

[Pommy]

saxon said:

I think the point is that the GT86 while not having genuine supercar road presence actually is a very well resolved design whereas the new Supra looks like a series of bolt on scoops and I feel the back doesn't look right at all. As for the interior then I do feel that this GT86 interior:



Is a far more sporting, driver focused and nicer place to be than this Supra interior which looks just like a BMW saloon:



Everyone's opinion is different of course. Personally I would have liked to see Toyota ape some of the McLaren design language for interiors - alcantara, simple, driver focused - in short like the GT86 but with a lot more money spent on materials.

Saxon

Have you sat in an 86? They're tragically 'cheap japanese' inside, everything feels cheap and I'm not sure what's sporting about it as it's not dramatically different to a same-era Corolla.

The Supra, whilst BMW-like has a much nicer look - a d lets be honest, current BMW interiors are rather nice places to be.

I think that the opinions being given are 1 part rose tinted, 1 part BMW-hate and 2 parts kidding yourself.

[jamoor]

Pommy said:

Have you sat in an 86? They're tragically 'cheap japanese' inside, everything feels cheap and I'm not sure what's sporting about it as it's not dramatically different to a same-era Corolla.

The Supra, whilst BMW-like has a much nicer look - a d lets be honest, current BMW interiors are rather nice places to be.

I think that the opinions being given are 1 part rose tinted, 1 part BMW-hate and 2 parts kidding yourself.

The gt86 feels a little cheap but it's due to weight saving.

The driving position, visibility and ergonomics are first rate however, properly engineered and thought out.

[Mr Tidy]

There was a competition, on here I think, where 86 people got to drive a GT86 up the hill at Goodwood FOS on it's release.

I was one of them, but they gave me an auto.

But I liked it enough to book a test drive of a manual one on my birthday in 2014, and was very impressed.

Well until I tried a BMW Z4 Coupe a couple of weeks later!

[Pommy]

jamoor said:

Pommy said:

Have you sat in an 86? They're tragically 'cheap japanese' inside, everything feels cheap and I'm not sure what's sporting about it as it's not dramatically different to a same-era Corolla.

The Supra, whilst BMW-like has a much nicer look - a d lets be honest, current BMW interiors are rather nice places to be.

I think that the opinions being given are 1 part rose tinted, 1 part BMW-hate and 2 parts kidding yourself.

The gt86 feels a little cheap but it's due to weight saving.

The driving position, visibility and ergonomics are first rate however, properly engineered and thought out.

I think you're kidding yourself if the 86s interior is cheap to save weight - it's standard Toyota plastics to get the price down.

If it was weight driven they'd be a lot more pared down equipment wise.

Can't disagree on the rest though - the couple i drive were decent - shame so slow.

[CABC]

jamoor said:

The gt86 feels a little cheap but it's due to weight saving.

The driving position, visibility and ergonomics are first rate however, properly engineered and thought out.

Cost saving too. Otherwise you're spot on, it's a sports car. Not many cars are these days as they get fatter, plusher and less involving.
Shame ph seems focused on criticising interiors and 0-60 rather than handling. Credit to BMW's marketing though...

[cerb4.5lee]

CABC said:

Shame ph seems focused on criticising interiors and 0-60 rather than handling.

I keep browsing for a GT86 and there is certainly something about them that really draws me in. I could live with the interior and that doesn't worry me but I do think that the on paper numbers do look really weak though. I definitely need to have a go in one to see if they would be a deal breaker for me.

[LaurasOtherHalf]

Mr Tidy said:

There was a competition, on here I think, where 86 people got to drive a GT86 up the hill at Goodwood FOS on it's release.

I was one of them, but they gave me an auto.

But I liked it enough to book a test drive of a manual one on my birthday in 2014, and was very impressed.

Well until I tried a BMW Z4 Coupe a couple of weeks later!

Funnily enough I had a Z4M coupe when the ‘86 came out and we got an extended test drive in one,

Now my wife has absolute zero interest in any of my cars and has only opined on two possible car purchases in all time.

1/ GT86, she said she didn’t care how good it was to drive she thought the interior was horrendous and the engine drone annoying. I think her words were “no way are we driving across Europe in this”.

2/ Morgan 3 Wheeler, I’d just about made her see the whole charm of it when she asked the salesman to explain how the heater controls worked when it didn’t appear to have any. The salesman and I simply exchanged forlorn looks at each other, shook hands and wished all the best for the future. So close.

[Francis85]

I just... don't like it that much.

[st4]

ZX10R NIN said:

I can't disagree with the above I do think Toyota should've tried to make the interior more of their own.

X2 - it’s just looks too bmw and bland in there.

I still think the new supra should just take the UZ V8 from the Lexus models. More power, better reliability etc

[Chestrockwell]

Saw this on Facebook today, should ruffle a few feathers

[cerb4.5lee]

Chestrockwell said:

Saw this on Facebook today, should ruffle a few feathers

You have got to love Toyota...they deliberately make only one(slow) model of the GT86 and then decide to make the Supra slow as well!!

Thankfully I can still remember when Toyota made quick and desirable sports cars though...bring back the good old days!

[snake_oil]

Chestrockwell said:

Saw this on Facebook today, should ruffle a few feathers

Can you add in the prices?

[300bhp/ton]

cerb4.5lee said:

Chestrockwell said:

Saw this on Facebook today, should ruffle a few feathers

You have got to love Toyota...they deliberately make only one(slow) model of the GT86 and then decide to make the Supra slow as well!!

Thankfully I can still remember when Toyota made quick and desirable sports cars though...bring back the good old days!

Suspect that is a little harsh calling the new Supra slow. For the price point it’s as quick as most other things and quicker than fair number.

[cerb4.5lee]

300bhp/ton said:

cerb4.5lee said:

Chestrockwell said:

Saw this on Facebook today, should ruffle a few feathers

You have got to love Toyota...they deliberately make only one(slow) model of the GT86 and then decide to make the Supra slow as well!!

Thankfully I can still remember when Toyota made quick and desirable sports cars though...bring back the good old days!

Suspect that is a little harsh calling the new Supra slow. For the price point it’s as quick as most other things and quicker than fair number.

It is slow when you consider how the old one performed against its rivals from Nissan/Honda back then though. The Supra back then was quicker than both the Skyline/NSX. It is miles behind regards performance now when compared to the two. Granted performance isn't everything but it does show how far Toyota have fell behind.

[300bhp/ton]

cerb4.5lee said:

It is slow when you consider how the old one performed against its rivals from Nissan/Honda back then though. The Supra back then was quicker than both the Skyline/NSX. It is miles behind regards performance now when compared to the two. Granted performance isn't everything but it does show how far Toyota have fell behind.

I think you might need to check prices a you are being unrealistic.

The Nissan GT-R starts at £82,000. Honda doesn’t have a price on their site for the NSX. But Google says £143,000!!!!!

The Supra is meant to be £46-50k. Expecting it to rival cars costin humungas amounts more is at best not fair. And really pretty mean.

I’m also willing to bet the new one will be a fair chunk quicker than the old one was, stock for stock. The old one was only 320hp, quite big and heavy and only matched (or slightly slower) than a same era Camaro/Trans Am for pace. Yet cost significantly more. Weren’t they 5.5’ish to 60mph and about 160mph. Certainly sold mid/high 13’s 1/4 mile cars. And there was the same looking 250hp non turbo variant.

Don’t get me wrong, they are still pretty awesome and hugely tunable. But I think people forget they weren’t 900hp monsters from the factory.

[cerb4.5lee]

300bhp/ton said:

cerb4.5lee said:

It is slow when you consider how the old one performed against its rivals from Nissan/Honda back then though. The Supra back then was quicker than both the Skyline/NSX. It is miles behind regards performance now when compared to the two. Granted performance isn't everything but it does show how far Toyota have fell behind.

I think you might need to check prices a you are being unrealistic.

The Nissan GT-R starts at £82,000. Honda doesn’t have a price on their site for the NSX. But Google says £143,000!!!!!

The Supra is meant to be £46-50k. Expecting it to rival cars costin humungas amounts more is at best not fair. And really pretty mean.

I’m also willing to bet the new one will be a fair chunk quicker than the old one was, stock for stock. The old one was only 320hp, quite big and heavy and only matched (or slightly slower) than a same era Camaro/Trans Am for pace. Yet cost significantly more. Weren’t they 5.5’ish to 60mph and about 160mph. Certainly sold mid/high 13’s 1/4 mile cars. And there was the same looking 250hp non turbo variant.

Don’t get me wrong, they are still pretty awesome and hugely tunable. But I think people forget they weren’t 900hp monsters from the factory.

I'm not saying that the old one was an absolute rocketship but I think it was faster than both the old Skyline/NSX from what I can remember(I could be wrong though). But the new Supra is now a poor relation to the Skyline(GTR)/NSX performance wise and I find that fascinating that's all.

Nissan/Honda have moved the game on massively whereas Toyota have stood still IMO.

[st4]

cerb4.5lee said:

It is slow when you consider how the old one performed against its rivals from Nissan/Honda back then though. The Supra back then was quicker than both the Skyline/NSX. It is miles behind regards performance now when compared to the two. Granted performance isn't everything but it does show how far Toyota have fell behind.

Wait until they bring out the LCF with the twin turbo v8. That’s the true spiritual successor to the mk4 supra