RE: Porsche confirms R-GT Cayman GT4
Discussion
drjdog said:
DannyScene said:
I didn't read it as rude in any way, slightly tongue in cheek perhaps but you do come across as overly upset that he doesn't 'get' your car for some reason
It doesn't read as anything but rude to me. There is no hint of laughing. I couldn't give a toss if he doesn't get the Cayman, or the 928, or whatever, I just hate rude people.And his fake Rolex analogy is wrong - the Cayman/Boxster is a Tudor to the 911's real Rolex or Tag Heuer F1 to a Carrera.
I think the Porsche should be commended for making a rear wheel drive rally car.
Using the watch comparison. It's a sub to a Cellini Both are Rolex just like both these Porsche, just appeal for different reasons. The idea that it's a "fake" seems daft to me. Just because it's not a 911 doesn't mean it's not a Porsche.
I for one love it, long may it things like this continue to exist, even if I am not in the market for anything like it.
I for one love it, long may it things like this continue to exist, even if I am not in the market for anything like it.
So from our expert we get the magical words of wisdom that this is not a 911 or a true Porsche? It's a fake? Sorry mate I dont want to argue with you but Ford make different models of cars as does Bentley, Lamborghini and many more manufacturers. Are you saying that all these other models in their range of vehicles are fakes from the first Model T etc?
You are entitled to your opinion how ever outrageous it may be.
You are entitled to your opinion how ever outrageous it may be.
DannyScene said:
I think in terms of his opinion - never a truer word said in jest.
The Cayman may be smaller and cheaper, but it is a different type of car. If the 914 hadn't been so ugly, Porsche would have been making decent mid-engined 2 seater sports cars consistently for the past 40 years, instead of infrequently making a mid-engined Porsche supercar. 904, 918, Carerra GT. They all have something in common that the 911 doesn't. The 911 is woefully compromised in a way that the Cayman isn't.I'll admit that this does sound defensive, sure, but it is a very defensible position. At a pricepoint, the Cayman is a better car than the 911. I think that's probably a lot of people's opinion. Saying the Cayman isn't a real Porsche, not justifying it, and clearing off is not defensible.
DannyScene said:
And his fake Rolex analogy is wrong - the Cayman/Boxster is a Tudor to the 911's real Rolex or Tag Heuer F1 to a Carrera.
More like Daytona / Submariner. The Cayman does/did (mostly) have a flat 6. The Rolex / Tudor comparison might make more sense if considering a 911/912 powered by Porsche flat 6 / VW flat 4. But even then the 912 still had a Porsche badge. And for a long time Daytonas were powered by non-Rolex movements, so this analogy quickly hits the skids when you try to extend it a bit.DannyScene said:
I think the Porsche should be commended for making a rear wheel drive rally car.
I think we'll all agree on that.Edited by drjdog on Monday 21st January 17:41
sr.guiri said:
Hey!!!
I don't know my Porsches, clearly. For me there is the 911 and nothing else. The Cayman, or whatever it's called has never caught my attention. I wouldn't buy a fake Rolex and to me, this, not being a 911 is a fake Porsche. Please don't argue with me as I'm not saying that this is fact, it's just my opinion. You will have your own. No need to get upset by my comments if you own a Cayman.
But now I'm confused. If I'm correct, this car is a 2+2 flat six. Isn't it therefore a 911?
So a Cayman is a 911, and a 911 is a Cayman. But it's a cheap 911, for those that don't want an expensive 911.
Now I understand. If they called it 911 Low Cost, people wouldn't buy it, so they call it Cayman. Which is like an alligator, but spelt wrong.
Hilarious. Dude, what are you smoking ? !I don't know my Porsches, clearly. For me there is the 911 and nothing else. The Cayman, or whatever it's called has never caught my attention. I wouldn't buy a fake Rolex and to me, this, not being a 911 is a fake Porsche. Please don't argue with me as I'm not saying that this is fact, it's just my opinion. You will have your own. No need to get upset by my comments if you own a Cayman.
But now I'm confused. If I'm correct, this car is a 2+2 flat six. Isn't it therefore a 911?
So a Cayman is a 911, and a 911 is a Cayman. But it's a cheap 911, for those that don't want an expensive 911.
Now I understand. If they called it 911 Low Cost, people wouldn't buy it, so they call it Cayman. Which is like an alligator, but spelt wrong.
Sort of related in a Porsche/snow kind of a way, I thought some of the Porschistas might appreciate this if they haven't spotted it already...
Credit: https://www.instagram.com/p/Bs5IwqVFBDX/
Credit: https://www.instagram.com/p/Bs5IwqVFBDX/
Schmed said:
sr.guiri said:
Hey!!!
I don't know my Porsches, clearly. For me there is the 911 and nothing else. The Cayman, or whatever it's called has never caught my attention. I wouldn't buy a fake Rolex and to me, this, not being a 911 is a fake Porsche. Please don't argue with me as I'm not saying that this is fact, it's just my opinion. You will have your own. No need to get upset by my comments if you own a Cayman.
But now I'm confused. If I'm correct, this car is a 2+2 flat six. Isn't it therefore a 911?
So a Cayman is a 911, and a 911 is a Cayman. But it's a cheap 911, for those that don't want an expensive 911.
Now I understand. If they called it 911 Low Cost, people wouldn't buy it, so they call it Cayman. Which is like an alligator, but spelt wrong.
This herbert has so obviously come along, chucked a hand grenade on the table, then trotted off.I don't know my Porsches, clearly. For me there is the 911 and nothing else. The Cayman, or whatever it's called has never caught my attention. I wouldn't buy a fake Rolex and to me, this, not being a 911 is a fake Porsche. Please don't argue with me as I'm not saying that this is fact, it's just my opinion. You will have your own. No need to get upset by my comments if you own a Cayman.
But now I'm confused. If I'm correct, this car is a 2+2 flat six. Isn't it therefore a 911?
So a Cayman is a 911, and a 911 is a Cayman. But it's a cheap 911, for those that don't want an expensive 911.
Now I understand. If they called it 911 Low Cost, people wouldn't buy it, so they call it Cayman. Which is like an alligator, but spelt wrong.
And you suckers have reacted exactly how he wanted whilst watching from across the room.
Why couldn't you just ignore the pi!!ock instead of feeding the troll.......................
Paddy78 said:
DannyScene said:
Wait a minute, I never said any of that ^^
He's too busy regretting not buying a 911 to care about who said what! 
This comment is completely tongue in cheek btw. I love Caymans and a rally spec GT4 is a truly awesome prospect.
Lol! I looked at a lot of 911s, and Caymans. After talking with owners of both, I decided I'd be better off with a Cayman and I don't regret the decision at all.
When I was a youngster the 'Poor man's Porsche' was the 914 which was pretty but seemed to garner little affection, perhaps because it did try to replicate some of the direction of the 911. Then came the 924 which so clearly wasn't a 911 wannabe that it seemed more acceptable somehow, a 'Low price Porsche' not a poor man's alternative.
After that came the 928 as the Halo for the front engine mob which really in my humble opinion underlined the 'Not a 911to be seen here' products - you might say a 924/44 was a poor man's 928 but never a 911!
So I kind of felt that the Boxster/Cayman might be good cars, but you'd always kinda wish you had the extra cash for the 'real' one.
But not so much now - the 911 is awesome but frankly quite big - the more lithe Cayman (or whatever it's called today) is where my money would go (I'm spending fantasy money here so it matters not a jot how much these cars are) as it is so lovely and compact. But it would have to be 6 cylinder in the same way as a BMW has to be 6 cylinder for me, so I utterly adore the rally car here and the idea of a 6 cylinder of the current car if I have understood correctly.
This is THE desirable Porsche - money no object - for me now!
After that came the 928 as the Halo for the front engine mob which really in my humble opinion underlined the 'Not a 911to be seen here' products - you might say a 924/44 was a poor man's 928 but never a 911!
So I kind of felt that the Boxster/Cayman might be good cars, but you'd always kinda wish you had the extra cash for the 'real' one.
But not so much now - the 911 is awesome but frankly quite big - the more lithe Cayman (or whatever it's called today) is where my money would go (I'm spending fantasy money here so it matters not a jot how much these cars are) as it is so lovely and compact. But it would have to be 6 cylinder in the same way as a BMW has to be 6 cylinder for me, so I utterly adore the rally car here and the idea of a 6 cylinder of the current car if I have understood correctly.
This is THE desirable Porsche - money no object - for me now!
firebird350 said:
Like the look of the car, the sound of it and the very idea of an official Porsche entry into the international rally scene once more (regardless of whether a Cayman IS or ISN'T a 911!). Together with the Fiat 124 Abarth and, hopefully, the new Renault Alpine (pretty please, Renault!) I could very happily watch an hour per week of TV coverage of the R-GT class doing its stuff out there on the special stages in international rallying.
Now Porsche have given this project the green light (which I honestly didn't expect - and was expecting to have a major rant) hopefully the FiA will do their utmost to encourage others, (Alpine, Abarth et al) to join the fun. Up until now, the R-GT class has been a major disappointment, with only a handful of entries. Make the R-GT class worth doing with decent coverage, just like GTE classes in the WEC; these cars are crowd pleasers.
The 911 always was a flawed concept, inherited from the VW Beetle, and then developed into the 356 and so on. The wonder is that over time the engineers and designers at Porsche have been able to develop the 911 into the truly outstanding car they are (without using lead bars behind the front bumpers to keep the front down).
The Boxster/Cayman was a clean sheet design based on a mid engine format, instead of having a great lump of engine hanging out over the back wheels ala Beetle.
The problem Porsche made for themselves was the that Boxster/Cayman chassis is so good that it has the potential to outclass the 911.
The badge snobs will always aim for the 911, the ones who think about the design of a car might be more inclined to go for a Cayman. Even the (dare I mention it) TG comparison of the Porsche models pointed out how the models were designed and engineered so that each fitted into a specific slot in their model line up. I don't doubt with a mid engine format and the same specific engine, the Cayman would outperform its equivalent engined 911 stablemate..
The Boxster/Cayman was a clean sheet design based on a mid engine format, instead of having a great lump of engine hanging out over the back wheels ala Beetle.
The problem Porsche made for themselves was the that Boxster/Cayman chassis is so good that it has the potential to outclass the 911.
The badge snobs will always aim for the 911, the ones who think about the design of a car might be more inclined to go for a Cayman. Even the (dare I mention it) TG comparison of the Porsche models pointed out how the models were designed and engineered so that each fitted into a specific slot in their model line up. I don't doubt with a mid engine format and the same specific engine, the Cayman would outperform its equivalent engined 911 stablemate..
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