RE: BMW M3 (E92) Competition manual: Spotted
Discussion
With the demise of NA engines, downsizing, electrification and the public’s obsession with automatics, a manual E9x M3 represents probably the pinnacle of relatively mass produced, reasonably attainable performance cars.
Just look at the fundamentals, RWD, 400+bhp, manual NA V8 with a 8k+ rev limiter and so called “premium” badge (for those who buy into that nonsense), it has all the petrolhead snobbery qualities to make any survivors dead cert future classics that will be for sale at x4 the price the lower end ones are now in 15 years. You can almost picture one now in a establishment like 4* classics polished within a inch of its life at £65k in 15 years.
This example is a bit pricey but generally they are at the bottom of the depreciation curve now, they’re never going to hit the sub £10k mark like the E36 and E46 M3s did. If I had the garage space and the spare readies I’d be putting a nicely specced early manual coupe away now for weekends to enjoy and make a small fortune on in some years.
Just look at the fundamentals, RWD, 400+bhp, manual NA V8 with a 8k+ rev limiter and so called “premium” badge (for those who buy into that nonsense), it has all the petrolhead snobbery qualities to make any survivors dead cert future classics that will be for sale at x4 the price the lower end ones are now in 15 years. You can almost picture one now in a establishment like 4* classics polished within a inch of its life at £65k in 15 years.
This example is a bit pricey but generally they are at the bottom of the depreciation curve now, they’re never going to hit the sub £10k mark like the E36 and E46 M3s did. If I had the garage space and the spare readies I’d be putting a nicely specced early manual coupe away now for weekends to enjoy and make a small fortune on in some years.
Edited by jwwbowe on Thursday 24th January 17:09
I'm 16, but I mean that sounds like a good price to me, though still a large sum for a 6 year old car.
Put it this way, if a new car came out with rear-wheel-drive, a 4.0L V8 and 400+ hp, it would be double that. Easily. This car has always been one of my favourites.
And besides, most people would say that a manual would decrease value, which is in some ways correct, but to some, having a manual transmission pushes it's value UP, so it's very much down to your opinion.
Put it this way, if a new car came out with rear-wheel-drive, a 4.0L V8 and 400+ hp, it would be double that. Easily. This car has always been one of my favourites.
And besides, most people would say that a manual would decrease value, which is in some ways correct, but to some, having a manual transmission pushes it's value UP, so it's very much down to your opinion.
cerb4.5lee said:
I think you could be a little disappointed with the Coupe. My brother in law has the convertible and when he went out in my Coupe he moaned about how quiet it was in comparison. I've driven both and I can't say that I felt a lot of difference in weight because the Coupe is a heavy car anyway.
I loved how you could hear the V8 so much more in the convertible, and it was a ride out in his that made me really want one. With hindsight though I think I should have gone for the convertible rather than the Coupe.
Interesting observation...I loved how you could hear the V8 so much more in the convertible, and it was a ride out in his that made me really want one. With hindsight though I think I should have gone for the convertible rather than the Coupe.
moglieboy1 said:
Performance Cars NI have 2 for sale at the moment
Both are manual, excellent spec & each have a full BMW main dealer history
The car on the left has 56,000 miles, an M Performance exhaust (costing £1900) & various carbon add ons.
The car on the right has 78,000 Miles, just had a comprehensive service at BMW, carbon add ons & competition alloys.
PM for more details
Your profile doesn't seem to accept PMs?Both are manual, excellent spec & each have a full BMW main dealer history
The car on the left has 56,000 miles, an M Performance exhaust (costing £1900) & various carbon add ons.
The car on the right has 78,000 Miles, just had a comprehensive service at BMW, carbon add ons & competition alloys.
PM for more details
GM182 said:
moglieboy1 said:
Performance Cars NI have 2 for sale at the moment - Both under £20k!!!
Both are manual, excellent spec & each have a full BMW main dealer history
The car on the left has 56,000 miles, an M Performance exhaust (costing £1900) & various carbon add ons.
The car on the right has 78,000 Miles, just had a comprehensive service at BMW, carbon add ons & competition alloys.
PM for more details
Your profile doesn't seem to accept PMs?Both are manual, excellent spec & each have a full BMW main dealer history
The car on the left has 56,000 miles, an M Performance exhaust (costing £1900) & various carbon add ons.
The car on the right has 78,000 Miles, just had a comprehensive service at BMW, carbon add ons & competition alloys.
PM for more details
Edited by moglieboy1 on Thursday 24th January 17:35
Looks a really nice version and being manual adds to the desire levels.
My son had one back in the day, while the old man [me] had a 335D
It always struck me that it was spoilt by the high seating position unlike the 335D . You always thought you were sitting too high above the centre of gravity, and not along side.
Lovely noise though
My son had one back in the day, while the old man [me] had a 335D
It always struck me that it was spoilt by the high seating position unlike the 335D . You always thought you were sitting too high above the centre of gravity, and not along side.
Lovely noise though
Don’t understand the hate for the manual, there’s a bit of variation and the bad ones are a bit agricultural but not terrible. Mine’s a good one and is actually pretty decent.
I get the DCT for everyday use and it does suit the engine, but I wouldn’t choose one for a fun car
Mine is a base spec 2007 but with Alcons, Ohlins R&T setup, stripped back to about GTS spec with a half cage and Corbeau Carbon race seats. It’s a huge amount of car for about 20 grand all in. It’s the perfect easy track car that you don’t lose the will to live driving 300 miles to the track, and mega for touring and enjoying alpine passes.
That one is overpriced but they feel undervalued. They will appreciate eventually but plenty need to die of rod bearing failure first.
I get the DCT for everyday use and it does suit the engine, but I wouldn’t choose one for a fun car
Mine is a base spec 2007 but with Alcons, Ohlins R&T setup, stripped back to about GTS spec with a half cage and Corbeau Carbon race seats. It’s a huge amount of car for about 20 grand all in. It’s the perfect easy track car that you don’t lose the will to live driving 300 miles to the track, and mega for touring and enjoying alpine passes.
That one is overpriced but they feel undervalued. They will appreciate eventually but plenty need to die of rod bearing failure first.
Edited by The Wookie on Thursday 24th January 20:09
This is my car up for sale, really chuffed PH picked up on the advert.
It was a tricky decision on pricing - 2013 model year M3s are up for between £23.5 and £35k.
Many prefer the DCT box, i prefer the manual - once you're used to it, there's an extra layer of interaction. Perfecting heal and toe downshifts whilst blipping the V8 is a constant challenge and reward. The slick change from 3rd gear to 4th at high revs has to be experienced.
I get that there are lots of opinions on the car and it's not for everyone. But this is the only manual comp pack for sale, it's a great spec, immaculate, has a full service history, extended BMW warranty, ceramic coated, geo setup @ center of gravity and Michelin Pilot sport P4S tyres all around with 6+mm of tread.
It's been pampered unlike many M3s on the market and will make a great car for the next owner
It was a tricky decision on pricing - 2013 model year M3s are up for between £23.5 and £35k.
Many prefer the DCT box, i prefer the manual - once you're used to it, there's an extra layer of interaction. Perfecting heal and toe downshifts whilst blipping the V8 is a constant challenge and reward. The slick change from 3rd gear to 4th at high revs has to be experienced.
I get that there are lots of opinions on the car and it's not for everyone. But this is the only manual comp pack for sale, it's a great spec, immaculate, has a full service history, extended BMW warranty, ceramic coated, geo setup @ center of gravity and Michelin Pilot sport P4S tyres all around with 6+mm of tread.
It's been pampered unlike many M3s on the market and will make a great car for the next owner
Edited by ratty6464 on Thursday 24th January 20:16
yonex said:
I still prefer the looks of the saloon. Still love the looks of them.
I guess if it’s a keeper it must be manual. Would have it on the smaller wheels for sure and was it possible to have an iDrive delete at all, I think it was in the US??
I'd like a standard saloon in Silverstone. Think they look much better than the Coupe. I guess if it’s a keeper it must be manual. Would have it on the smaller wheels for sure and was it possible to have an iDrive delete at all, I think it was in the US??
ratty6464 said:
This is my car up for sale, really chuffed PH picked up on the advert.
It was a tricky decision on pricing - 2013 model year M3s are up for between £23.5 and £35k.
Many prefer the DCT box, i prefer the manual - once you're used to it, there's an extra layer of interaction. Perfecting heal and toe downshifts whilst blipping the V8 is a constant challenge and reward. The slick change from 3rd gear to 4th at high revs has to be experienced.
I get that there are lots of opinions on the car and it's not for everyone. But this is the only manual comp pack for sale, it's a great spec, immaculate, has a full service history, extended BMW warranty, ceramic coated, geo setup @ center of gravity and Michelin Pilot sport P4S tyres all around with 6+mm of tread.
It's been pampered unlike many M3s on the market and will make a great car for the next owner
Saw it up for sale on cutters too, I know there are a few of us that will be very happy if you get your asking price!It was a tricky decision on pricing - 2013 model year M3s are up for between £23.5 and £35k.
Many prefer the DCT box, i prefer the manual - once you're used to it, there's an extra layer of interaction. Perfecting heal and toe downshifts whilst blipping the V8 is a constant challenge and reward. The slick change from 3rd gear to 4th at high revs has to be experienced.
I get that there are lots of opinions on the car and it's not for everyone. But this is the only manual comp pack for sale, it's a great spec, immaculate, has a full service history, extended BMW warranty, ceramic coated, geo setup @ center of gravity and Michelin Pilot sport P4S tyres all around with 6+mm of tread.
It's been pampered unlike many M3s on the market and will make a great car for the next owner
Edited by ratty6464 on Thursday 24th January 20:16
MDMA . said:
I'd like a standard saloon in Silverstone. Think they look much better than the Coupe.
That’d be my call. Not sure if it’s the best colour for the long term, as Jerez and red seem to always be the ones, but it’s a lovely colour. Always felt the coupe door was massive and the rear end doesn’t have the bulk of the saloon. mitchaw said:
I'm 16, but I mean that sounds like a good price to me, though still a large sum for a 6 year old car.
Put it this way, if a new car came out with rear-wheel-drive, a 4.0L V8 and 400+ hp, it would be double that. Easily. This car has always been one of my favourites.
And besides, most people would say that a manual would decrease value, which is in some ways correct, but to some, having a manual transmission pushes it's value UP, so it's very much down to your opinion.
A new car would also be covered under warranty, have a modern ICE system and be a good amount more powerful. I agree though, the price isn't stupid. A little overpriced, but good haggling will probably see a few quid off. Put it this way, if a new car came out with rear-wheel-drive, a 4.0L V8 and 400+ hp, it would be double that. Easily. This car has always been one of my favourites.
And besides, most people would say that a manual would decrease value, which is in some ways correct, but to some, having a manual transmission pushes it's value UP, so it's very much down to your opinion.
aaron_2000 said:
mitchaw said:
I'm 16, but I mean that sounds like a good price to me, though still a large sum for a 6 year old car.
Put it this way, if a new car came out with rear-wheel-drive, a 4.0L V8 and 400+ hp, it would be double that. Easily. This car has always been one of my favourites.
And besides, most people would say that a manual would decrease value, which is in some ways correct, but to some, having a manual transmission pushes it's value UP, so it's very much down to your opinion.
A new car would also be covered under warranty, have a modern ICE system and be a good amount more powerful. I agree though, the price isn't stupid. A little overpriced, but good haggling will probably see a few quid off. Put it this way, if a new car came out with rear-wheel-drive, a 4.0L V8 and 400+ hp, it would be double that. Easily. This car has always been one of my favourites.
And besides, most people would say that a manual would decrease value, which is in some ways correct, but to some, having a manual transmission pushes it's value UP, so it's very much down to your opinion.
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