Would you still go Diesel...
Discussion
i had a fairly decent deal on a Diesel but opted against at the end. The car was good, but i dont do the miles, i don't tow, and whilst both will depreciate greatly over coming years, i feel more comfortable knowing a Petrol likely to fair slightly better than Diesel.
So, the X5 40i awaits at some point...
So, the X5 40i awaits at some point...
Re-visiting this as I'm asking myself the same question at the moment. There is plenty of unhelpful guidance comparing first year VED rates and BIK
for petrol and diesel. All largely irrelevant for the private buyer looking at used or nearly-new. It's frustrating when you can't afford the latest petrol or hybrid that would otherwise be the clear choice.
I'm stuck with a lot of diesels to choose from, but knowing that's probably the wrong choice given I don't do huge miles, and I (currently) have an MX-5 for fun or when I don't need to go far. This is meant to be a long-term 'investment' (not in the financial sense), so I'm naturally wary of the way everything is turning away/against from the black stuff. I'd be happy knocking about in a petrol - if I could find one.
I'm looking for an auto estate around £20k, and petrol pickings are extremely thin on the ground - the vast majority of the used cars from 2010 to now are diesel. The only petrols are expensive, or tedious white goods I'm not interested in (Focus/Astra/Passat etc). When I say estate, I want something with a decent chassis to smother broken roads over long distances, not a hatchback with a large boot. Considering Jag XF / Volvo V90 /Merc E/CLS. Don't want an Audi (been there), not sure about a BMW (I suspect I'll always be disappointed vs my old E39 M5). Mazda 6 is a left-field, bit dull and most are manual, but there are petrols and by all means a good car.
For example, Autotrader lists 34 petrol E-class estates for sale within 80 miles of me that are not V8s. There are 388 diesels (and a further 12 hybrids, also diesels). Jaguar - the only previous XF (X250) petrols are the V8s. All CLS are AMG V8s (I'd love a CLS Shooting Brake, but it'll have to be the V6 diesel). BMW 5 series - only 1 car is below 20k in my search, an F10 528i, all others are 25++ G30s.
It seems that the market has swung to petrol, but that demand has yet to filter through the used ranks.
I fear the compromise is either V8 (the PH answer - and mpg aside, is that soo bad?
), a saloon (read: Lexus hybrid), an SUV (some hateful FWD crossover nonsense) or... a diesel.
What would you do / suggest? Meanwhile I will be trying to resist a V90 D5 I have my eye on test driving...
for petrol and diesel. All largely irrelevant for the private buyer looking at used or nearly-new. It's frustrating when you can't afford the latest petrol or hybrid that would otherwise be the clear choice.
I'm stuck with a lot of diesels to choose from, but knowing that's probably the wrong choice given I don't do huge miles, and I (currently) have an MX-5 for fun or when I don't need to go far. This is meant to be a long-term 'investment' (not in the financial sense), so I'm naturally wary of the way everything is turning away/against from the black stuff. I'd be happy knocking about in a petrol - if I could find one.
I'm looking for an auto estate around £20k, and petrol pickings are extremely thin on the ground - the vast majority of the used cars from 2010 to now are diesel. The only petrols are expensive, or tedious white goods I'm not interested in (Focus/Astra/Passat etc). When I say estate, I want something with a decent chassis to smother broken roads over long distances, not a hatchback with a large boot. Considering Jag XF / Volvo V90 /Merc E/CLS. Don't want an Audi (been there), not sure about a BMW (I suspect I'll always be disappointed vs my old E39 M5). Mazda 6 is a left-field, bit dull and most are manual, but there are petrols and by all means a good car.
For example, Autotrader lists 34 petrol E-class estates for sale within 80 miles of me that are not V8s. There are 388 diesels (and a further 12 hybrids, also diesels). Jaguar - the only previous XF (X250) petrols are the V8s. All CLS are AMG V8s (I'd love a CLS Shooting Brake, but it'll have to be the V6 diesel). BMW 5 series - only 1 car is below 20k in my search, an F10 528i, all others are 25++ G30s.
It seems that the market has swung to petrol, but that demand has yet to filter through the used ranks.
I fear the compromise is either V8 (the PH answer - and mpg aside, is that soo bad?
), a saloon (read: Lexus hybrid), an SUV (some hateful FWD crossover nonsense) or... a diesel. What would you do / suggest? Meanwhile I will be trying to resist a V90 D5 I have my eye on test driving...
RenesisEvo said:
Re-visiting this as I'm asking myself the same question at the moment. There is plenty of unhelpful guidance comparing first year VED rates and BIK
for petrol and diesel. All largely irrelevant for the private buyer looking at used or nearly-new. It's frustrating when you can't afford the latest petrol or hybrid that would otherwise be the clear choice.
I'm stuck with a lot of diesels to choose from, but knowing that's probably the wrong choice given I don't do huge miles, and I (currently) have an MX-5 for fun or when I don't need to go far. This is meant to be a long-term 'investment' (not in the financial sense), so I'm naturally wary of the way everything is turning away/against from the black stuff. I'd be happy knocking about in a petrol - if I could find one.
I'm looking for an auto estate around £20k, and petrol pickings are extremely thin on the ground - the vast majority of the used cars from 2010 to now are diesel. The only petrols are expensive, or tedious white goods I'm not interested in (Focus/Astra/Passat etc). When I say estate, I want something with a decent chassis to smother broken roads over long distances, not a hatchback with a large boot. Considering Jag XF / Volvo V90 /Merc E/CLS. Don't want an Audi (been there), not sure about a BMW (I suspect I'll always be disappointed vs my old E39 M5). Mazda 6 is a left-field, bit dull and most are manual, but there are petrols and by all means a good car.
For example, Autotrader lists 34 petrol E-class estates for sale within 80 miles of me that are not V8s. There are 388 diesels (and a further 12 hybrids, also diesels). Jaguar - the only previous XF (X250) petrols are the V8s. All CLS are AMG V8s (I'd love a CLS Shooting Brake, but it'll have to be the V6 diesel). BMW 5 series - only 1 car is below 20k in my search, an F10 528i, all others are 25++ G30s.
It seems that the market has swung to petrol, but that demand has yet to filter through the used ranks.
I fear the compromise is either V8 (the PH answer - and mpg aside, is that soo bad?), a saloon (read: Lexus hybrid), an SUV (some hateful FWD crossover nonsense) or... a diesel.
What would you do / suggest? Meanwhile I will be trying to resist a V90 D5 I have my eye on test driving...
This any good ? Not a sportline, so should ride well...for petrol and diesel. All largely irrelevant for the private buyer looking at used or nearly-new. It's frustrating when you can't afford the latest petrol or hybrid that would otherwise be the clear choice.
I'm stuck with a lot of diesels to choose from, but knowing that's probably the wrong choice given I don't do huge miles, and I (currently) have an MX-5 for fun or when I don't need to go far. This is meant to be a long-term 'investment' (not in the financial sense), so I'm naturally wary of the way everything is turning away/against from the black stuff. I'd be happy knocking about in a petrol - if I could find one.
I'm looking for an auto estate around £20k, and petrol pickings are extremely thin on the ground - the vast majority of the used cars from 2010 to now are diesel. The only petrols are expensive, or tedious white goods I'm not interested in (Focus/Astra/Passat etc). When I say estate, I want something with a decent chassis to smother broken roads over long distances, not a hatchback with a large boot. Considering Jag XF / Volvo V90 /Merc E/CLS. Don't want an Audi (been there), not sure about a BMW (I suspect I'll always be disappointed vs my old E39 M5). Mazda 6 is a left-field, bit dull and most are manual, but there are petrols and by all means a good car.
For example, Autotrader lists 34 petrol E-class estates for sale within 80 miles of me that are not V8s. There are 388 diesels (and a further 12 hybrids, also diesels). Jaguar - the only previous XF (X250) petrols are the V8s. All CLS are AMG V8s (I'd love a CLS Shooting Brake, but it'll have to be the V6 diesel). BMW 5 series - only 1 car is below 20k in my search, an F10 528i, all others are 25++ G30s.
It seems that the market has swung to petrol, but that demand has yet to filter through the used ranks.
I fear the compromise is either V8 (the PH answer - and mpg aside, is that soo bad?
), a saloon (read: Lexus hybrid), an SUV (some hateful FWD crossover nonsense) or... a diesel. What would you do / suggest? Meanwhile I will be trying to resist a V90 D5 I have my eye on test driving...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202...
juice said:
This any good ? Not a sportline, so should ride well...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202...
A fine choice, and an excellent car, and I would be very happy with that. However, SWMBO has veto'd Skodas, for some reason when it comes to cars she still think's its 1995 https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202...
RenesisEvo said:
Re-visiting this as I'm asking myself the same question at the moment. There is plenty of unhelpful guidance comparing first year VED rates and BIK
for petrol and diesel. All largely irrelevant for the private buyer looking at used or nearly-new. It's frustrating when you can't afford the latest petrol or hybrid that would otherwise be the clear choice.
I'm stuck with a lot of diesels to choose from, but knowing that's probably the wrong choice given I don't do huge miles, and I (currently) have an MX-5 for fun or when I don't need to go far. This is meant to be a long-term 'investment' (not in the financial sense), so I'm naturally wary of the way everything is turning away/against from the black stuff. I'd be happy knocking about in a petrol - if I could find one.
I'm looking for an auto estate around £20k, and petrol pickings are extremely thin on the ground - the vast majority of the used cars from 2010 to now are diesel. The only petrols are expensive, or tedious white goods I'm not interested in (Focus/Astra/Passat etc). When I say estate, I want something with a decent chassis to smother broken roads over long distances, not a hatchback with a large boot. Considering Jag XF / Volvo V90 /Merc E/CLS. Don't want an Audi (been there), not sure about a BMW (I suspect I'll always be disappointed vs my old E39 M5). Mazda 6 is a left-field, bit dull and most are manual, but there are petrols and by all means a good car.
For example, Autotrader lists 34 petrol E-class estates for sale within 80 miles of me that are not V8s. There are 388 diesels (and a further 12 hybrids, also diesels). Jaguar - the only previous XF (X250) petrols are the V8s. All CLS are AMG V8s (I'd love a CLS Shooting Brake, but it'll have to be the V6 diesel). BMW 5 series - only 1 car is below 20k in my search, an F10 528i, all others are 25++ G30s.
It seems that the market has swung to petrol, but that demand has yet to filter through the used ranks.
I fear the compromise is either V8 (the PH answer - and mpg aside, is that soo bad?), a saloon (read: Lexus hybrid), an SUV (some hateful FWD crossover nonsense) or... a diesel.
What would you do / suggest? Meanwhile I will be trying to resist a V90 D5 I have my eye on test driving...
My main car is a E350 diesel estate which I was looking to replace pre-covid. I'm a Merc man so only really looking at another one of their estates. It did not seem worthwhile buying a car during lockdown but I still kept half an eye open. As you point out, a massive proportion of them are still diesel. I have not discounted another diesel be it the E350d or E400d with the right price and spec. I can't stretch to an E63 petrol on the grounds of running costs, depreciation and there no doubt being more difficult to offload. I am however also considering the 6 cylinder E53 petrol as a viable alternative. Lots of the predecessor E43s now in my price range but unfortunately I am less keen on some of the cosmetics, i.e. exhaust, wheels and bonnet. for petrol and diesel. All largely irrelevant for the private buyer looking at used or nearly-new. It's frustrating when you can't afford the latest petrol or hybrid that would otherwise be the clear choice.
I'm stuck with a lot of diesels to choose from, but knowing that's probably the wrong choice given I don't do huge miles, and I (currently) have an MX-5 for fun or when I don't need to go far. This is meant to be a long-term 'investment' (not in the financial sense), so I'm naturally wary of the way everything is turning away/against from the black stuff. I'd be happy knocking about in a petrol - if I could find one.
I'm looking for an auto estate around £20k, and petrol pickings are extremely thin on the ground - the vast majority of the used cars from 2010 to now are diesel. The only petrols are expensive, or tedious white goods I'm not interested in (Focus/Astra/Passat etc). When I say estate, I want something with a decent chassis to smother broken roads over long distances, not a hatchback with a large boot. Considering Jag XF / Volvo V90 /Merc E/CLS. Don't want an Audi (been there), not sure about a BMW (I suspect I'll always be disappointed vs my old E39 M5). Mazda 6 is a left-field, bit dull and most are manual, but there are petrols and by all means a good car.
For example, Autotrader lists 34 petrol E-class estates for sale within 80 miles of me that are not V8s. There are 388 diesels (and a further 12 hybrids, also diesels). Jaguar - the only previous XF (X250) petrols are the V8s. All CLS are AMG V8s (I'd love a CLS Shooting Brake, but it'll have to be the V6 diesel). BMW 5 series - only 1 car is below 20k in my search, an F10 528i, all others are 25++ G30s.
It seems that the market has swung to petrol, but that demand has yet to filter through the used ranks.
I fear the compromise is either V8 (the PH answer - and mpg aside, is that soo bad?
), a saloon (read: Lexus hybrid), an SUV (some hateful FWD crossover nonsense) or... a diesel. What would you do / suggest? Meanwhile I will be trying to resist a V90 D5 I have my eye on test driving...
Fady said:
My main car is a E350 diesel estate which I was looking to replace pre-covid. I'm a Merc man so only really looking at another one of their estates. It did not seem worthwhile buying a car during lockdown but I still kept half an eye open. As you point out, a massive proportion of them are still diesel. I have not discounted another diesel be it the E350d or E400d with the right price and spec. I can't stretch to an E63 petrol on the grounds of running costs, depreciation and there no doubt being more difficult to offload. I am however also considering the 6 cylinder E53 petrol as a viable alternative. Lots of the predecessor E43s now in my price range but unfortunately I am less keen on some of the cosmetics, i.e. exhaust, wheels and bonnet.
We seem to have similar tastes, I too am not keen on some of the racier versions out there. An E400d All-terrain would be the dream, but I'd need to double my budget, and them some. I am thinking I may sit and wait, Jan/Feb is usually a good time although there's no predicting anything at the moment. I'm fortunate that I have no urgent need to change, beyond the fact my current daily is losing value every dayas it gets older and accumulates more miles (albeit much more slowly than it was 6 months ago).RenesisEvo said:
Re-visiting this as I'm asking myself the same question at the moment. There is plenty of unhelpful guidance comparing first year VED rates and BIK
for petrol and diesel. All largely irrelevant for the private buyer looking at used or nearly-new. It's frustrating when you can't afford the latest petrol or hybrid that would otherwise be the clear choice.
I'm stuck with a lot of diesels to choose from, but knowing that's probably the wrong choice given I don't do huge miles, and I (currently) have an MX-5 for fun or when I don't need to go far. This is meant to be a long-term 'investment' (not in the financial sense), so I'm naturally wary of the way everything is turning away/against from the black stuff. I'd be happy knocking about in a petrol - if I could find one.
I'm looking for an auto estate around £20k, and petrol pickings are extremely thin on the ground - the vast majority of the used cars from 2010 to now are diesel. The only petrols are expensive, or tedious white goods I'm not interested in (Focus/Astra/Passat etc). When I say estate, I want something with a decent chassis to smother broken roads over long distances, not a hatchback with a large boot. Considering Jag XF / Volvo V90 /Merc E/CLS. Don't want an Audi (been there), not sure about a BMW (I suspect I'll always be disappointed vs my old E39 M5). Mazda 6 is a left-field, bit dull and most are manual, but there are petrols and by all means a good car.
For example, Autotrader lists 34 petrol E-class estates for sale within 80 miles of me that are not V8s. There are 388 diesels (and a further 12 hybrids, also diesels). Jaguar - the only previous XF (X250) petrols are the V8s. All CLS are AMG V8s (I'd love a CLS Shooting Brake, but it'll have to be the V6 diesel). BMW 5 series - only 1 car is below 20k in my search, an F10 528i, all others are 25++ G30s.
It seems that the market has swung to petrol, but that demand has yet to filter through the used ranks.
I fear the compromise is either V8 (the PH answer - and mpg aside, is that soo bad?), a saloon (read: Lexus hybrid), an SUV (some hateful FWD crossover nonsense) or... a diesel.
What would you do / suggest? Meanwhile I will be trying to resist a V90 D5 I have my eye on test driving...
is the answer Subaru?for petrol and diesel. All largely irrelevant for the private buyer looking at used or nearly-new. It's frustrating when you can't afford the latest petrol or hybrid that would otherwise be the clear choice.
I'm stuck with a lot of diesels to choose from, but knowing that's probably the wrong choice given I don't do huge miles, and I (currently) have an MX-5 for fun or when I don't need to go far. This is meant to be a long-term 'investment' (not in the financial sense), so I'm naturally wary of the way everything is turning away/against from the black stuff. I'd be happy knocking about in a petrol - if I could find one.
I'm looking for an auto estate around £20k, and petrol pickings are extremely thin on the ground - the vast majority of the used cars from 2010 to now are diesel. The only petrols are expensive, or tedious white goods I'm not interested in (Focus/Astra/Passat etc). When I say estate, I want something with a decent chassis to smother broken roads over long distances, not a hatchback with a large boot. Considering Jag XF / Volvo V90 /Merc E/CLS. Don't want an Audi (been there), not sure about a BMW (I suspect I'll always be disappointed vs my old E39 M5). Mazda 6 is a left-field, bit dull and most are manual, but there are petrols and by all means a good car.
For example, Autotrader lists 34 petrol E-class estates for sale within 80 miles of me that are not V8s. There are 388 diesels (and a further 12 hybrids, also diesels). Jaguar - the only previous XF (X250) petrols are the V8s. All CLS are AMG V8s (I'd love a CLS Shooting Brake, but it'll have to be the V6 diesel). BMW 5 series - only 1 car is below 20k in my search, an F10 528i, all others are 25++ G30s.
It seems that the market has swung to petrol, but that demand has yet to filter through the used ranks.
I fear the compromise is either V8 (the PH answer - and mpg aside, is that soo bad?
), a saloon (read: Lexus hybrid), an SUV (some hateful FWD crossover nonsense) or... a diesel. What would you do / suggest? Meanwhile I will be trying to resist a V90 D5 I have my eye on test driving...
If you can live with a saloon then there are some good picks with £330 road tax
CLS 400 AMG Line:
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202...
XF V6 S
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202...
Audi S7
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202...
550i GT M Sport
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202...
650i GC
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202...
CLS 400 AMG Line:
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202...
XF V6 S
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202...
Audi S7
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202...
550i GT M Sport
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202...
650i GC
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202...
Yup will be sticking with my diesel sheds for a while, they won't be going anywhere, both my cars (12 plate 318d and 60 plate SAAB 9-3 ttid) owe me nothing, all paid for, and lost most depreciation completely, probably worth £2/3k each if I sell them, both high'ish mileage (over 100k).
Both only £30 VED makes financial sense to me to run them into the ground tbh, then move to anything else, get 800 miles on both tanks without trying.
I do 25k a year mixed commuting, holidays and general family stuff, suits us fine.
Don't go into any city zones to worry about that, especially nowhere near London.
Diesels are still very viable units if the need is there to be used properly.
Both only £30 VED makes financial sense to me to run them into the ground tbh, then move to anything else, get 800 miles on both tanks without trying.
I do 25k a year mixed commuting, holidays and general family stuff, suits us fine.
Don't go into any city zones to worry about that, especially nowhere near London.
Diesels are still very viable units if the need is there to be used properly.
ULEZ's will become the decider for many.
I have a BMW 320d 'effcient dynamics'. I park in Cavendish Square or Crusikshank Street in Islington.
My car will do 52mpg getting down there, into London and back home to Norwich. Roughly 190 miles.
I have a Z4 that will return 28mpg doing that trip.
The Z4 works out cheaper.
320d £20 fuel, £15 CC, £12.50, ULEZ = £57.50
Z4 £36 fuel, £15 CC = £51
Mind you, when you add the £45 for car park I guess £6.50 doesn't really matter.
I should add, our 2009 E91 320i does 46mpg on that journey. That would be the sensible choice, but it sold last night.
I have a BMW 320d 'effcient dynamics'. I park in Cavendish Square or Crusikshank Street in Islington.
My car will do 52mpg getting down there, into London and back home to Norwich. Roughly 190 miles.
I have a Z4 that will return 28mpg doing that trip.
The Z4 works out cheaper.
320d £20 fuel, £15 CC, £12.50, ULEZ = £57.50
Z4 £36 fuel, £15 CC = £51
Mind you, when you add the £45 for car park I guess £6.50 doesn't really matter.
I should add, our 2009 E91 320i does 46mpg on that journey. That would be the sensible choice, but it sold last night.
Edited by gizlaroc on Tuesday 11th August 08:28
gizlaroc said:
ULEZ's will become the decider for many.
I should add, our 2009 E91 320i does 46mpg on that journey. That would be the sensible choice, but it sold last night.
Its so much better than the 320d though , cant believe you kept that over the 320i......what a tightarse lolI should add, our 2009 E91 320i does 46mpg on that journey. That would be the sensible choice, but it sold last night.
Edited by gizlaroc on Tuesday 11th August 08:28
ZX10R NIN said:
If you can live with a saloon then there are some good picks with £330 road tax
CLS 400 AMG Line:
XF V6 S
Audi S7
550i GT M Sport
650i GC
Some good choices there, particularly like the GC, although reviews suggest its not so child friendly in the back.CLS 400 AMG Line:
XF V6 S
Audi S7
550i GT M Sport
650i GC
If I ever go to London, I park somewhere like Westgate, otherwise just get a coach or train, I certainly never drive to the centre and never would, I don't go that often anyway.
I'm starting to think one solution is to roll around in a cheaper diesel for a few years until an appropriate petrol/hybrid is within reach, another 2-3 years there should be a lot more on the market, then switch at that point - recognising that it may be harder to shift a diesel then, but as said by others they still have their place, they aren't going to vanish overnight.
Baldchap said:
AJB88 said:
I'm still considering a diesel V6 or similar. Don't want 1.9 or 2.0, had far to many of them.
Someone earlier posted a Merc V6 doing 25 urban and 35 extra urban. My RS4 does that.Performance diesels don't make sense these days.
NewUsername said:
Its so much better than the 320d though , cant believe you kept that over the 320i......what a tightarse lol
They are both going, the 320i just sold straight away. Advertised Friday, someone arranged to see it within an hour on Saturday, he took it out, and liked it and said he would collect Monday. Also had 4 others waiting to hear if it sold too.
OK, going to be fair to the 320d now. Mine is a manual, diesel and manual is not a great combo imho, heavier clutch, short rev range so constantly swapping gears etc. etc. However, I would happily live with this car in auto guise.
By the way, Z3 Coupe returned 38.1mpg today over 196 miles, that is from Norwich to Islington and home again.
First time I have ever reset the mpg on a journey in that car, and have to say I was very impressed.
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