RE: Mountune launches m400X map for Focus RS
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jack_86 said:
Why can’t they make a fast ford that hasn’t been designed for the cover of max power. To me it looks like someone has just bolted Halfords wheels and a wing to it
For some the RS treads that line between being too much (looking at you Civic TypeR) and too bland/understated (Golf)IanJ9375 said:
jack_86 said:
Why can’t they make a fast ford that hasn’t been designed for the cover of max power. To me it looks like someone has just bolted Halfords wheels and a wing to it
For some the RS treads that line between being too much (looking at you Civic TypeR) and too bland/understated (Golf)I know 400bhp doesn't sound much when supercars now are getting closer to 1000hp and beyond, but the original sierra/escort cosworth were <=220hp and there the wings and skirts were the real thing... So why not here? If you don't like it, perhaps you shouldn't drive an almost rally car to your meetings with your mother-in-law
Onehp said:
xjay1337 said:
Onehp said:
Frimley111R said:
Not for long it won't!
Depends on the torque 
Lots of tuned ones out there, some will always try to get too much or just plainly do it wrong and detonate...
They were driving
Then they went "BOOM" in a cloud of smoke and oil...........
Then they were no longer driving.
xjay1337 said:
What info do you want to know?
They were driving
Then they went "BOOM" in a cloud of smoke and oil...........
Then they were no longer driving.
What were They driving? 500hp Golf V gti? Or were they all the latest mk7 Golf R with 500hp using what kind of kit? Could just be that you visit a bad tuner... Or perhaps 500hp is genuinely too much if spread on different tuners/set-ups. Something like that. If you don't want to go in detail, just don't answer...They were driving
Then they went "BOOM" in a cloud of smoke and oil...........
Then they were no longer driving.
Onehp said:
Indeed. And contrary to a Corsa 1.7d, these cars (FRS, CTR etc) actually have the dynamic prowess that could make those wings usefull when pushing on in appropriate places...
I know 400bhp doesn't sound much when supercars now are getting closer to 1000hp and beyond, but the original sierra/escort cosworth were <=220hp and there the wings and skirts were the real thing... So why not here? If you don't like it, perhaps you shouldn't drive an almost rally car to your meetings with your mother-in-law
I'd be surprised if a FRS felt as planted/stable at 160 as an 87 Cosworth. I know 400bhp doesn't sound much when supercars now are getting closer to 1000hp and beyond, but the original sierra/escort cosworth were <=220hp and there the wings and skirts were the real thing... So why not here? If you don't like it, perhaps you shouldn't drive an almost rally car to your meetings with your mother-in-law
Onehp said:
xjay1337 said:
What info do you want to know?
They were driving
Then they went "BOOM" in a cloud of smoke and oil...........
Then they were no longer driving.
What were They driving? 500hp Golf V gti? Or were they all the latest mk7 Golf R with 500hp using what kind of kit? Could just be that you visit a bad tuner... Or perhaps 500hp is genuinely too much if spread on different tuners/set-ups. Something like that. If you don't want to go in detail, just don't answer...They were driving
Then they went "BOOM" in a cloud of smoke and oil...........
Then they were no longer driving.
Lost count of the amount of ea113 cars that have blown up
If you think you can reliably get 500hp out of 2.0 then that says it all.
They all blow up eventually. I think anything over say 400 is going to be "when" not "if - simply no overhead for anything, usually ring landings go but I've seen rods bend as well.
blade7 said:
Ahbefive said:
blade7 said:
I'd be surprised if a FRS felt as planted/stable at 160 as an 87 Cosworth.
Having done that speed in both of those cars I can categorically say that the Focus feels far more stable at speed without question.blade7 said:
IMO you're generally full of 5h1t.
What a knobbish thing of you to say. What have I EVER said on here that is "full of s
t"???Anyone with any experience of these cars will tell you the same. You are wrong on both counts but it seems that somewhat upsets you. There,there.
Edited by Ahbefive on Wednesday 6th February 22:06
xjay1337 said:
Onehp said:
xjay1337 said:
What info do you want to know?
They were driving
Then they went "BOOM" in a cloud of smoke and oil...........
Then they were no longer driving.
What were They driving? 500hp Golf V gti? Or were they all the latest mk7 Golf R with 500hp using what kind of kit? Could just be that you visit a bad tuner... Or perhaps 500hp is genuinely too much if spread on different tuners/set-ups. Something like that. If you don't want to go in detail, just don't answer...They were driving
Then they went "BOOM" in a cloud of smoke and oil...........
Then they were no longer driving.
Lost count of the amount of ea113 cars that have blown up
If you think you can reliably get 500hp out of 2.0 then that says it all.
They all blow up eventually. I think anything over say 400 is going to be "when" not "if - simply no overhead for anything, usually ring landings go but I've seen rods bend as well.
As is limiting torque, 560Nm will get you 500hp peak but many run significantly more, risking internals exponentially (or infinitely.. ) more for overload. Also additional oil coolers and conservative temp limits (lower than oem) ... lots of compromises needed to be 'safe'.
I'm running approx 380hp/430Nm and think that is plenty... Probably too much already for proper track work without additional cooling...
rottenegg said:
Onehp said:
rottenegg said:
Watched until he talked and said 'I have no money'. 
Tuning to get more than you can actually afford will never work indeed...
The limit for the conrods is somewhere around 650Nm, but there is variance and with tuning you always eat away from the margins untill at some point there isn't any left. Didn't watch but americans generally seem fairly unfamiliar with the concept of moderation (of torque on turbo tunes)...
Thankfully nobody blew there RS engine yet...
The rods are rated to 650nm, or the whole reciprocating mass? I'm not a measurement of twist applies to a part subjected to pressure and inertia?
Anyway, my point was the EA888.3 is not 'comfortable' running 500bhp in standard form. It's ~150hp above what VW's engineers rated the engine to. You can certainly see how thin the block is where the rod made a bid for freedom!
HumanSteamroller said:
Also if you keep watching, he casually drops in still images of a previous, completely totalled Golf that "killed his girlfriend at the time". Alarm bells ringing all round.
I read the comments, that happened almost 10 years ago and wasn't at all his fault, pickup truck lost it and smashed into them. It came off as unsentimental but it was more he didn't want to go into deep... blade7 said:
Ahbefive said:
What a knobbish thing of you to say. What have I EVER said on here that is "full of st"???
Are you still banned from parts of Pistonheads?t"???Surprised you haven't had a ban as all you seem to do is try to start arguments with people and derail threads.
Had an FPM375. Pretty disappointing car, OEM dyno ran 20bhp down on the standard figures prior to FPM375, and post upgrade it just never felt anywhere as quick as a 350bhp Impreza.
Was just a bit too heavy imo. Excellent grip, just not enough grunt.
Got the recall for the headgasket and pressure test just after I sold it.
Ford burying their heads in the sand and denying it for 18 months didn’t help build confidence in the car either.
Their recall tests also for me were insufficient - many owners may have been left with a ticking time bomb of an engine and that’s unacceptable.
It’s sad, could have been a truly great car but missed the mark for me.
Was just a bit too heavy imo. Excellent grip, just not enough grunt.
Got the recall for the headgasket and pressure test just after I sold it.
Ford burying their heads in the sand and denying it for 18 months didn’t help build confidence in the car either.
Their recall tests also for me were insufficient - many owners may have been left with a ticking time bomb of an engine and that’s unacceptable.
It’s sad, could have been a truly great car but missed the mark for me.
Ahbefive said:
Really? Can you point to any that have had issues after the recall was done? I can't find any info about that.
Or are you just regurgitating tripe as so many like to do. As far as I know they are all repaired and happy now.....
Apart from some oil leaks here and there not much really - a few had to have repair after repair (before the recall) whilst Ford were figuring it all out I expect.Or are you just regurgitating tripe as so many like to do. As far as I know they are all repaired and happy now.....
To be fair to Ford they honoured the fix even on cars heavily tuned beyond the warranty for the gead gasket issue.
The later issues that people have had seem to be more about how good the technician was at the dealership rather than any follow on engine issue.
FPM375 for me makes sense, warranty still active for a couple more years etc - some people can't seem to agree with the very non-turbo feel to the car, you certainly have to rev it to get the most out of it and of course a DCT/DSG type gearbox is always going to have an advantage in a straightline.
Ahbefive said:
Really? Can you point to any that have had issues after the recall was done? I can't find any info about that.
Or are you just regurgitating tripe as so many like to do. As far as I know they are all repaired and happy now.....
Here’s a link to just one of many examples all too easy to find if you understand how to use a search engine rather than listening to the sound of your own voice, as you always seem to do whenever anyone has anything remotely negative to suggest about a Focus RS - I mean anyone would think you owned one and had been brainwashed LOL. Or are you just regurgitating tripe as so many like to do. As far as I know they are all repaired and happy now.....
I actually bought another Impreza as a second car after I sold my FRS and it’s incredible to me that the Subaru feels just as quick yet more fun to drive and a better ride and interior even though it’s nearly 15 years older...never regretted selling mine for a minute - only performance car I’ve ever owned that I’ve said that about, go figure.
Nice looking machines but meh to own.
Each to their own but I certainly wouldn’t be putting my hard earned into another.
https://youtu.be/1cSZ1pru5Fo
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