RE: Jeep Wrangler: UK Drive
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They just charge what they know we're stupidly prepared to pay. We pay through the nose for everything - even dying ! Note the soon to be introduced increased (massively) probate charges. As for that theft called Inheritance Tax ....well ,dress it up anyway you want ,call it the law ,call it a tax....it's THEFT plain and simple ! Am I correct in thinking that it's been abolished in Australia?
tiggyzak said:
They just charge what they know we're stupidly prepared to pay. We pay through the nose for everything - even dying ! Note the soon to be introduced increased (massively) probate charges. As for that theft called Inheritance Tax ....well ,dress it up anyway you want ,call it the law ,call it a tax....it's THEFT plain and simple ! Am I correct in thinking that it's been abolished in Australia?
That's correct, no IHT in Australia.When you don't have it you realise what a robbery it is more that when you just tolerate it in the UK.
However we do pay stamp duty when buying cars- that's £3000 in tax just to buy a wrangler. New focus £1500. New Aventador try £50,000 on the £450,000 list price...
Edited by Pommy on Saturday 23 February 13:52
loskie said:
yes stupidly expensive especially when it burst the UK £40k VED threshold. Why no mention of the Landcruiser Utility in this article? I think that lists at about £34k for the swb.
The LC also seems very expensive. But I’ll be honest I don’t recall ever seeing one of them either. So maybe they don’t sell many. 
valiant said:
They’re very much a niche vehicle in the UK so I suppose if you want one then you really want one and are prepared to pay a premium for one.
Jeep know this
I think it’s only niche because they don’t really try very hard to sell it. Even some Jeep main dealers seem to know nothing about the Wrangler. Jeep know this
And the new Jimny looks very appealing. I think a good question is:
Is a 3 door Wrangler better than a Jimny? - Yes.
Is a 3 door Wrangler £30,000 better than a Jimny? - Absolutely not!
Baldchap said:
Isn't Rubicon a fruity drink?
Maybe. But in this context it refers to the Rubicon Trail which is a famous Four Wheeling route. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubicon_Trail
It’s interesting how expensive it is in the U.K. market. I suppose it’s got something to do with the fact that it’s probably a fairly bespoke version. RHD and 2 engines that are simply not available in its home market. Non mild hybrid Turbo 4 cylinder petrol, and the turbo diesel. In the US is the 300hp (or so) 3.6L NA V6 Pentastar petrol, and the upgrade engine is a mild hybrid turbo 4 petrol.
I suppose that’s why it’s so pricey compared to back home. It’s a pretty bespoke version specific for a low volume market. It’d be way cheaper if the V6 were an option in the U.K (can get the 6MT on that too) but the market just won’t tolerate it’s mpg or CO2 emissions.
Interestingly the diesel version would probably sell like hot cakes in the US, despite “dieselgate”.
I suppose that’s why it’s so pricey compared to back home. It’s a pretty bespoke version specific for a low volume market. It’d be way cheaper if the V6 were an option in the U.K (can get the 6MT on that too) but the market just won’t tolerate it’s mpg or CO2 emissions.
Interestingly the diesel version would probably sell like hot cakes in the US, despite “dieselgate”.
The UK pricing is out of control. Base price of a Sahara in the US is $38,395, or just over 29K pounds. Nominally, this means there's about a 50% premium to buy one in the UK. That's ridiculous. Add in the fact that Americans have about 35% higher PPP per capita than the UK (https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/United-Kingdom/United-States/Economy) and this vehicle looks even less affordable in the UK. Ford is trying similar (albeit not as extreme) shenanigans with UK Mustang pricing.
I would also say even the US pricing is a bit high for what you're getting with the Wrangler. Jeep is able to charge a premium here in the US because of the Wrangler's uniqueness and appeal to certain buyers.
I would also say even the US pricing is a bit high for what you're getting with the Wrangler. Jeep is able to charge a premium here in the US because of the Wrangler's uniqueness and appeal to certain buyers.
is there anything in the UK that is less expensive than in the US?
of course there is; but that list will be significantly shorter than the opposing list of things, the other way round
there are two thoughts that most Americans have the very moment they first arrive in the UK or Continental Europe:
. . 1) "This vast inheritance of period buildings creates many beautiful public spaces."
. . 2) "Oh my god! Look at the prices! How does anybody afford to live here?"
of course there is; but that list will be significantly shorter than the opposing list of things, the other way round
there are two thoughts that most Americans have the very moment they first arrive in the UK or Continental Europe:
. . 1) "This vast inheritance of period buildings creates many beautiful public spaces."
. . 2) "Oh my god! Look at the prices! How does anybody afford to live here?"
I would dearly love one of these but not at the price point. £30k yes - £50 k with some kit no. I used to deliver these to US military personnel back in 1991 and they were paying $23k for a 4.0 and even with compound inflation we are a long way from there.
They are very compromised - like the Defender was, but have a certain charm. Shame as I need a small cheap 4x4 and this is just the little bit more powerful than a Jimny - so come on Suzuki give me a turbo Jimny and I'm in!!
They are very compromised - like the Defender was, but have a certain charm. Shame as I need a small cheap 4x4 and this is just the little bit more powerful than a Jimny - so come on Suzuki give me a turbo Jimny and I'm in!!
Numeric said:
I would dearly love one of these but not at the price point. £30k yes - £50 k with some kit no. I used to deliver these to US military personnel back in 1991 and they were paying $23k for a 4.0 and even with compound inflation we are a long way from there.
They are very compromised - like the Defender was, but have a certain charm. Shame as I need a small cheap 4x4 and this is just the little bit more powerful than a Jimny - so come on Suzuki give me a turbo Jimny and I'm in!!
Already a plug and play ECU for the new Jimny, and with the partnered turbo it looks to put out a figure of 170bhp, up from the 100bph: YouTube clip They are very compromised - like the Defender was, but have a certain charm. Shame as I need a small cheap 4x4 and this is just the little bit more powerful than a Jimny - so come on Suzuki give me a turbo Jimny and I'm in!!
swisstoni said:
EU charge 10% on US car imports.
US charge 2.5% on cars coming the other way.
A certain D Trump has threatened to shake that up a tadge by shifting the decimal point one place to the right.
And also consider that when looking at US prices, they don’t include local sales tax/VAT which is usually not far off the 10% mark. UK prices are shown inclusive of 20% VAT. So US prices will appear deceptively cheap, and of course also don’t include a 10% import duty as it’s not applicable.US charge 2.5% on cars coming the other way.
A certain D Trump has threatened to shake that up a tadge by shifting the decimal point one place to the right.
If you want to compare the US price to what it should be in the the U.K., add 30% to the US price for what it will be in the U.K. These prices are in line with that so the only ripping off going on is the various taxes and duties being added on top of what is actually a reasonably priced vehicle in its home market.
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