mandatory speed limiters to be fitted from 2022?

mandatory speed limiters to be fitted from 2022?

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liner33

8,391 posts

167 months

Saturday 1st May
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Welshbeef said:
https://www.evo.co.uk/news/22326/mandatory-speed-l...

So regardless of what the road speed limits are you’ll not be able to buy a new car from 2022 without a 112mph speed limiter. Which means for performance cars you can only extract full performance in the first 3 gears (3rd illegally but meh plenty break the limits)
Have you actually read the article you linked?

Welshbeef

44,095 posts

163 months

Saturday 1st May
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liner33 said:
Welshbeef said:
https://www.evo.co.uk/news/22326/mandatory-speed-l...

So regardless of what the road speed limits are you’ll not be able to buy a new car from 2022 without a 112mph speed limiter. Which means for performance cars you can only extract full performance in the first 3 gears (3rd illegally but meh plenty break the limits)
Have you actually read the article you linked?
Yes and others hence me posting it.

I read Evo (have the subscription as it happens).

Baldchap

4,176 posts

57 months

Saturday 1st May
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If this comes to pass my current collection of cars will be my forever collection.

liner33

8,391 posts

167 months

Saturday 1st May
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Welshbeef said:
Yes and others hence me posting it.

I read Evo (have the subscription as it happens).
Missed this bit though “fortunately, this likely won’t expand to performance models for the time being”

AudiMan9000

301 posts

13 months

Saturday 1st May
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I almost always use the speed limiter in my car to allow me to keep within the speed limit without having to constantly regulate how much gas I’m giving the car with my right foot and having to keep looking at the speedometer. So I may not mind this being brought in if it helps avoid points and fine or worse.

However, the car also tells you what the speed limit is by scanning signs and I presume using GPS, and it has been known to get this wrong. So I wouldn’t wanna be limited to say 40mph just because the car had failed to detect that it’s in fact a 60mph zone.

The technology needs to be perfected before this is rolled out.

Hagus

71 posts

21 months

Saturday 1st May
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So if your car is capable of 120mph they will limit it to 112mph, if it’s capable of 220mph “as you were sir” 🤣

CoolHands

12,575 posts

160 months

Saturday 1st May
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It won’t happen.

jsf

22,478 posts

201 months

Saturday 1st May
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Every car sold in the Japanese domestic market has a 180kmh (112mph) speed limiter. They have done for decades.

One of the jobs when importing a JDM car to the UK is to remove it.

Welshbeef

44,095 posts

163 months

Saturday 1st May
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CoolHands said:
It won’t happen.
It is

Volvo
Renault have started in advance

Sadly you are wrong- however how many of us go above 112mph on the road?

hammo19

2,357 posts

161 months

Saturday 1st May
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Don’t have a problem with the 112mph limiter, although I would if the car controlled the speed within speed limits...

Soleith

142 posts

54 months

Saturday 1st May
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Welshbeef said:
https://www.evo.co.uk/news/22326/mandatory-speed-l...

So regardless of what the road speed limits are you’ll not be able to buy a new car from 2022 without a 112mph speed limiter. Which means for performance cars you can only extract full performance in the first 3 gears (3rd illegally but meh plenty break the limits)
Just read the article and of course came straight to ph to discuss. Complete disaster. Currently have an 2018 68 plate A8 that is loaded with what I can only assume is the precursor to a lot of this tech and it's awful. Needs to be huge improvements before it's remotely viable.

1. Semi-regularly emergency braking kicks in. I can actually induce it somewhat on certain sections of road I drive regularly where the road turns at the top of a crest so if someone is walking on the pavement where the turn is the car thinks you're going to crash into the pedestrian and slams the brakes. Had several people behind me need to take corrective action and also emergency brake to not slam into me resulting in honking etc and then the car won't speed up for a couple of seconds. Have had Audi turn the sensitivity down but can't be disabled and still does it

2. Car regularly tries to nudge me into cyclists when overtaking them as it tracks the street lines and tries to go back into the lane even though I indicated.

3. Car regularly reads the wrong speed limit signs, particularly in built up dual carriageway sections like the A3 closer to London where it's 50 but there are regularly signs for 30 at exit junctions. When auto speed limiter is on it has slowed down rapidly to 30 on these 50mph sections of road.

4. Regularly misses smaller speed limit signs out where I live so keeps me at 30 even when I've entered a 40. Not so much a safety hazard but annoying nonetheless.

5. More of an Audi complaint really but the car login with app got reset after a service and they had to factory reset the entire car which then meant I spent weeks disabling all the stty settings as much as possible again.

Handing it back in October and can't wait for the Roma to arrive (which incidentally I've ordered without a single "smart" function).

Will try to get several cars without these awful functions before they are mandatory and can't be disabled to last as long as possible before I need to buy one of these travesties.

myvision

1,512 posts

101 months

Saturday 1st May
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AudiMan9000 said:
I almost always use the speed limiter in my car to allow me to keep within the speed limit without having to constantly regulate how much gas I’m giving the car with my right foot and having to keep looking at the speedometer. So I may not mind this being brought in if it helps avoid points and fine or worse.

However, the car also tells you what the speed limit is by scanning signs and I presume using GPS, and it has been known to get this wrong. So I wouldn’t wanna be limited to say 40mph just because the car had failed to detect that it’s in fact a 60mph zone.

The technology needs to be perfected before this is rolled out.
My car told me it was a 90mph limit the other day.


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leef44

2,227 posts

118 months

Saturday 1st May
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I wonder if they will have a "track option". Performance cars fitted with a track button which then displays a warning on the dash to say that this mode can only be used on track. This then delimits from 112mph.

The trouble is it can easily be GPS location limited rather than a manual option for the driver.

kambites

61,308 posts

186 months

Saturday 1st May
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I wouldn't even know if our cars had a 112mph limiter on them because I've never been anywhere near that fast in them.

ITP

1,418 posts

162 months

Saturday 1st May
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Soleith said:
Welshbeef said:
https://www.evo.co.uk/news/22326/mandatory-speed-l...

So regardless of what the road speed limits are you’ll not be able to buy a new car from 2022 without a 112mph speed limiter. Which means for performance cars you can only extract full performance in the first 3 gears (3rd illegally but meh plenty break the limits)
Just read the article and of course came straight to ph to discuss. Complete disaster. Currently have an 2018 68 plate A8 that is loaded with what I can only assume is the precursor to a lot of this tech and it's awful. Needs to be huge improvements before it's remotely viable.

1. Semi-regularly emergency braking kicks in. I can actually induce it somewhat on certain sections of road I drive regularly where the road turns at the top of a crest so if someone is walking on the pavement where the turn is the car thinks you're going to crash into the pedestrian and slams the brakes. Had several people behind me need to take corrective action and also emergency brake to not slam into me resulting in honking etc and then the car won't speed up for a couple of seconds. Have had Audi turn the sensitivity down but can't be disabled and still does it

2. Car regularly tries to nudge me into cyclists when overtaking them as it tracks the street lines and tries to go back into the lane even though I indicated.

3. Car regularly reads the wrong speed limit signs, particularly in built up dual carriageway sections like the A3 closer to London where it's 50 but there are regularly signs for 30 at exit junctions. When auto speed limiter is on it has slowed down rapidly to 30 on these 50mph sections of road.

4. Regularly misses smaller speed limit signs out where I live so keeps me at 30 even when I've entered a 40. Not so much a safety hazard but annoying nonetheless.

5. More of an Audi complaint really but the car login with app got reset after a service and they had to factory reset the entire car which then meant I spent weeks disabling all the stty settings as much as possible again.

Handing it back in October and can't wait for the Roma to arrive (which incidentally I've ordered without a single "smart" function).

Will try to get several cars without these awful functions before they are mandatory and can't be disabled to last as long as possible before I need to buy one of these travesties.
An excellent description why these systems are basically blind, dumb and dangerous in the real world.
Not to mention hugely annoying for the driver with constant unnecessary interventions.

Fonzo

17 posts

24 months

Saturday 1st May
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Soleith said:
1. Semi-regularly emergency braking kicks in. I can actually induce it somewhat on certain sections of road I drive regularly where the road turns at the top of a crest so if someone is walking on the pavement where the turn is the car thinks you're going to crash into the pedestrian and slams the brakes. Had several people behind me need to take corrective action and also emergency brake to not slam into me resulting in honking etc and then the car won't speed up for a couple of seconds. Have had Audi turn the sensitivity down but can't be disabled and still does it
travesties.
My C Class used to do this also from time to time. I decided to run the risk of disabling the system entirely, supposedly if you do crash and you've turned safety features off you can get in quite a lot of trouble.

Toltec

6,480 posts

188 months

Saturday 1st May
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irocfan said:
RSTurboPaul said:
A500leroy said:
RSTurboPaul said:
A500leroy said:
Dont see the issue, we are just returning to the 60s/70s when cars had a top speed of around 75 and even 'hot' stuff like the capri or the mgb would only just crack the ton.

Limiting stuff to 70 is just returning to the past and folks still had plenty of fun back in the golden age of the car. And lets be honest wouldnt it be better if you cant break a 30mph speed limit anyway,and think of how many licences it would save.
That presumes that the limits are set correctly and not on the whims of local politicians who want to be seen to be 'doing something' - even if all the evidence points to an 85th percentile of 40mph (or even higher) 30mph is installed 'because safer'.
Even if that 'wrong' 30 limit where a 40 could be saves one life every 10 years isnt it worth the few seconds longer your journey will take?
If stopping everyone from driving saves one life, isn't it worth it?

Are you going to volunteer your licence?
hehe
Better yet just prevent any new births, then there is a fixed limit on how many people need to die in future.

It is saves one extra death surely it is worth it?

RDMcG

16,329 posts

172 months

Saturday 1st May
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Just another blow to the enjoyment of motoring.........


ICE goes away-even today not much more development

Standard shift is almost gone and irrelevant in the EV era

Speed limiters will be integrated into the overall surveillance system

Limits will come down further as the Green movement continues to rise

Election in Germany may well elect the Greens..and they will limit the autobahns.

It certainly was fun when it lasted..lots of good memories on lots of cars..........







Pixelpeep Z4

6,498 posts

107 months

Tuesday 4th May
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hammo19 said:
Don’t have a problem with the 112mph limiter, although I would if the car controlled the speed within speed limits...
Our E-niro 4 has a limited speed of 114mph. Gets there reasonably quick though lol

kiethton

12,393 posts

145 months

Tuesday 4th May
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Just like a remaps which are available from every man and his dog, give it a few months and we'll be able to turn these systems off at will, ideally at the flick of a (hidden) button...