mandatory speed limiters to be fitted from 2022?

mandatory speed limiters to be fitted from 2022?

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aeropilot

34,299 posts

226 months

Wednesday 5th May 2021
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Welshbeef said:
liner33 said:
Welshbeef said:
https://www.evo.co.uk/news/22326/mandatory-speed-l...

So regardless of what the road speed limits are you’ll not be able to buy a new car from 2022 without a 112mph speed limiter. Which means for performance cars you can only extract full performance in the first 3 gears (3rd illegally but meh plenty break the limits)
Have you actually read the article you linked?
Yes and others hence me posting it.
Go back and read it again then.

I guess you skipped over this bit....or don't understand what it means.

The systems will be required on all new models given ‘type’ approval from May 2022, with all models on the market before that date required to adopt the tech by May 2024.

ghost83

5,475 posts

189 months

Wednesday 5th May 2021
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aeropilot said:
Go back and read it again then.

I guess you skipped over this bit....or don't understand what it means.

The systems will be required on all new models given ‘type’ approval from May 2022, with all models on the market before that date required to adopt the tech by May 2024.
So if I have a car that’s 10yr old I will have to have a black box fitted and speed limiter??

Kawasicki

13,041 posts

234 months

Wednesday 5th May 2021
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mfmman said:
Kawasicki said:
mfmman said:
My son has a black box in his car as condition of a young driver policy. I’m obligated to use it too when I occasionally drive his car. I drive in the same style as I drive everything else. It’s slower because it’s 1.2 Polo but otherwise cornering, braking, adherence to speed limits etc are as normal. 5 stars for every trip. Not seeing the claim you need to drive like Miss Daisy’s chauffeur or else
How often do you get the tyres howling?
Not as often as I did when driving my mum's Datsun 120Y when I was 17, but then the only black box was the thing your JPS fags came in smile
Smoking is bad for you. Should be banned.

kiethton

13,883 posts

179 months

Wednesday 5th May 2021
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ghost83 said:
aeropilot said:
Go back and read it again then.

I guess you skipped over this bit....or don't understand what it means.

The systems will be required on all new models given ‘type’ approval from May 2022, with all models on the market before that date required to adopt the tech by May 2024.
So if I have a car that’s 10yr old I will have to have a black box fitted and speed limiter??
On the market to me implies a vehicle available for sale as a new model in 2022, not any car made in 2021 or before

RSTurboPaul

10,219 posts

257 months

Wednesday 5th May 2021
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ghost83 said:
aeropilot said:
Go back and read it again then.

I guess you skipped over this bit....or don't understand what it means.

The systems will be required on all new models given ‘type’ approval from May 2022, with all models on the market before that date required to adopt the tech by May 2024.
So if I have a car that’s 10yr old I will have to have a black box fitted and speed limiter??
I was about to berate you in obligatory PH fashion for reading into it something that doesn't appear to be there tongue out but reading it again, 'all models on the market before that date' could indeed be read as 'all models ever sold before that date'...

Unless they only mean all models that are on sale from the point of inception of the legislation, therefore which already have Type Approval before May 2022, but which doesn't mean anything ever sold that is now not on the market?


Crystal clear communications from the EU/Govt again...

ghost83

5,475 posts

189 months

Wednesday 5th May 2021
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I’m really surprised there isn’t a new petition about this, either it’s slowly getting snuck in or no one cares

Yet when it came to the vaccine ppl are up in arms as they think they’re having a tracker fitted yet don’t seem to care about been tracked in their cars!

Odd

jimPH

3,981 posts

79 months

Wednesday 5th May 2021
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ghost83 said:
I’m really surprised there isn’t a new petition about this, either it’s slowly getting snuck in or no one cares

Yet when it came to the vaccine ppl are up in arms as they think they’re having a tracker fitted yet don’t seem to care about been tracked in their cars!

Odd
Global chip shortage and vaccine roll out coincidence..

vonhosen

40,198 posts

216 months

Wednesday 5th May 2021
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ghost83 said:
I’m really surprised there isn’t a new petition about this, either it’s slowly getting snuck in or no one cares
Some will care (fervently not wanting it & others fervently wanting it), most will not care & just go with the flow.

Kawasicki

13,041 posts

234 months

Wednesday 5th May 2021
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vonhosen said:
ghost83 said:
I’m really surprised there isn’t a new petition about this, either it’s slowly getting snuck in or no one cares
Some will care (fervently not wanting it & others fervently wanting it), most will not care & just go with the flow.
Yep the ones not wanting it are anti-vax, trump/brexit supporting right winger types. Those fervently wanting it are caring/sharing types. The nice people basically.

RSTurboPaul

10,219 posts

257 months

Wednesday 5th May 2021
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Kawasicki said:
vonhosen said:
ghost83 said:
I’m really surprised there isn’t a new petition about this, either it’s slowly getting snuck in or no one cares
Some will care (fervently not wanting it & others fervently wanting it), most will not care & just go with the flow.
Yep the ones not wanting it are anti-vax, trump/brexit supporting right winger types. Those fervently wanting it are caring/sharing types. The nice people basically.
Nice bit of stereotyping and tarring with the same brush there.

Projectblue51

246 posts

79 months

Wednesday 5th May 2021
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Kawasicki said:
Yep the ones not wanting it are anti-vax, trump/brexit supporting right winger types. Those fervently wanting it are caring/sharing types. The nice people basically.
I can't decide if you are just here to yank everyone's chain because that's how you get your thrills, or you believe that massive broad brush you just incorrectly painted so many people with.

Blakewater

4,303 posts

156 months

Thursday 6th May 2021
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NMNeil said:
dcb said:
Nonsense. Not for the first time from you.

Even according to the UK Goverment's own statistics service, 47% of cars
on the motorway exceed the limit in 2020.

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/vehicle-s...

I know the UK Gov ignores the science on this issue, but 47% is a pretty substantial minority.

If road safety professionals were allowed to set the limit, it would be 80 mph
and all the evidence suggests that the new limit would save lives.
Well that's nonsense. As there is no road in the UK where there is an 80mph limit there cannot be any evidence that it's safer or more dangerous.
Say what you will, but a minority of drivers can't be trusted with a car capable of breaking the speed limit, so the obvious answer is to make the car incapable of breaking the speed limit in the first place, and that's what's happening.
I can't understand why you don't want to make the roads safer by having sped limiters fitted as standard. I'm sure you personally never break the speed limit, so it won't apply to you. But other drivers;
https://www.mirror.co.uk/all-about/dangerous-drivi...
Living in New Mexico, where speed limits are higher than they are in the UK, I'm not sure what makes you an authority on UK roads and drivers. However, you're going for the emotive argument over the logical one, as has been addressed before here. When it's suggested that speed limits aren't the only issue, or even the most important issue, in safe driving, you just hit us with examples of fatal traffic accidents as if speed limiters will prevent such things happening again.

The examples include hot headed road rage attacks, police chases, someone looking at his phone, a drunk motorcyclist and a senile 93 year old who didn't notice a cyclist going over his bonnet. There's even an Asda guard who ran someone down in his van for stealing a £5.00 bottle of wine.

in the UK, many wide, straight roads that used to be 60mph or 70mph limits now have limits as low as 40mph or 30mph because cutting speed limits is an easy way for a local authority to be seen to be caring about safety. Sometimes it's just about downgrading the roads to save money on maintenance. A road with a lower limit can be checked for potholes less and receive fewer repairs.

Mrs Miggins going to do the church flowers or Mr Jones going to the supermarket and doing 45mph on a wide, straight bypass that has a 40mph now and was 60mph a couple of years ago isn't the same as someone who isn't even licenced or insured driving under the influence of drugs or alcohol. Even if we just look at normal, generally law abiding drivers, the highest proportion of serious accidents resulting in injuries and/or deaths are caused by failure to look properly, not exceeding the speed limit.

You also have to bear in mind that the car will still be capable of breaking the speed limit. The limiter doesn't apply the brakes, it only reduces engine power, so the car can speed up going downhill. Also, as shown in the picture above of the Audi thinking the speed limit is 90mph, if the cameras detect roundels on the backs of EU vehicles showing the speeds in kph that they're restricted to, the system can be fooled into thinking the limit is anything up to 110mph. The dim witted driver who keeps his foot down and trusts his car to keep him within the speed limit will simply blame the car when he crashes or gets charged with speeding. As we've seen with people treating Teslas as self driving cars and having fatal accidents, some people place too much reliance on car technology and the technology encourages them to take less responsibility for paying attention and driving safely.

What we need is tougher driving tests, more police on the roads exercising discretion and tougher sentences for those caught driving poorly. Speed enforcement should only be in conjunction with reasonable speed limits.

irocfan

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40,152 posts

189 months

Thursday 6th May 2021
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Projectblue51 said:
Kawasicki said:
Yep the ones not wanting it are anti-vax, trump/brexit supporting right winger types. Those fervently wanting it are caring/sharing types. The nice people basically.
I can't decide if you are just here to yank everyone's chain because that's how you get your thrills, or you believe that massive broad brush you just incorrectly painted so many people with.
Incoming parrot....

Pixelpeep Z4

8,600 posts

141 months

Thursday 6th May 2021
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Silverage said:
Pixelpeep Z4 said:
Our E-niro 4 has a limited speed of 114mph. Gets there reasonably quick though lol
My ID3 is flat out at 99mph. I dread to think how long the battery would last at that speed though.
can't get it to dip below 200 miles on a full charge - no matter how hard i drive it!

NMNeil

5,860 posts

49 months

Thursday 6th May 2021
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Blakewater said:
Living in New Mexico, where speed limits are higher than they are in the UK, I'm not sure what makes you an authority on UK roads and drivers.
Not an expert on UK roads or drivers by any means any more.
Took my motorcycle test in Surbiton at age 16. My first drivers license was a small red booklet, which may be before your time. It then got it replaced by the green A4 size piece of paper. Surrendered it to the California DMV in Pasadena when I moved there in 96.
I've seen the roads change the vehicles change and also the drivers attitudes change; for the worse. I've seen a residential street go from roses in every front garden to being destroyed to make room for the car. I remember having the pavement for the use of pedestrians only and not being sacrificed to the car. Fortunately that seems to be coming to an end. I worked for motorcycle courier companies in the 80's when you could chew the air in London it was so polluted. Rode up to Box Hill most weekends, was a regular at the Brighton sprints. So I remember how it was and it's gradual decline, which seems to just get progressively worse.
The odd thing is that when I moved to L.A I could not believe how clean the air was, how freely the traffic moved and how cheap the petrol was (99c a gallon). Within 6 months i joined everyone else in complaining about the smog, the traffic jams and the price of petrol biggrin


NMNeil

5,860 posts

49 months

Thursday 6th May 2021
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Kawasicki said:
Yep the ones not wanting it are anti-vax, trump/brexit supporting right winger types. Those fervently wanting it are caring/sharing types. The nice people basically.
But the nice people, as you call them, won't even notice, but the ones who consider the speed limits more of a suggestion rather than a law will.
The whole idea is to reduce the deaths on the roads caused by speeding, I just can't understand why some people are against it and believe that they have some sort of right to speed.

Kawasicki

13,041 posts

234 months

Thursday 6th May 2021
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NMNeil said:
Kawasicki said:
Yep the ones not wanting it are anti-vax, trump/brexit supporting right winger types. Those fervently wanting it are caring/sharing types. The nice people basically.
But the nice people, as you call them, won't even notice, but the ones who consider the speed limits more of a suggestion rather than a law will.
The whole idea is to reduce the deaths on the roads caused by speeding, I just can't understand why some people are against it and believe that they have some sort of right to speed.
I agree, the nice people won’t even notice that their cars are limited, the other half the population (the bad people/speeders) who currently speed will not be happy. Who cares!

When speeding is massively reduced, road safety will be massively improved. Because speeding increases energy in accidents and less energy means less death and energy.

2gins

2,839 posts

161 months

Thursday 6th May 2021
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vonhosen said:
ghost83 said:
I’m really surprised there isn’t a new petition about this, either it’s slowly getting snuck in or no one cares
Some will care (fervently not wanting it & others fervently wanting it), most will not care & just go with the flow.
You're not allowed to submit a petition on a subject that has already been petitioned, or a substanbtially similar topic, so there will likely be no more petitions on that site on the matter, ever. This is why it is important to get them right and go in with a good body of support such as a strong social media following to generate the initial momentum that carries it through the 10k barreir and gets a government response. And why it boils ones piss when some numpty sticks some crap up while the experienced campaigners are quietly putting together a very solid argument, and spikes the guns.

It's also probably why the woke petitions do so well, because they're all supported by the angry mob on twitter with 10 billion followers

Blakewater

4,303 posts

156 months

Friday 7th May 2021
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NMNeil said:
Blakewater said:
Living in New Mexico, where speed limits are higher than they are in the UK, I'm not sure what makes you an authority on UK roads and drivers.
Not an expert on UK roads or drivers by any means any more.
Took my motorcycle test in Surbiton at age 16. My first drivers license was a small red booklet, which may be before your time. It then got it replaced by the green A4 size piece of paper. Surrendered it to the California DMV in Pasadena when I moved there in 96.
I've seen the roads change the vehicles change and also the drivers attitudes change; for the worse. I've seen a residential street go from roses in every front garden to being destroyed to make room for the car. I remember having the pavement for the use of pedestrians only and not being sacrificed to the car. Fortunately that seems to be coming to an end. I worked for motorcycle courier companies in the 80's when you could chew the air in London it was so polluted. Rode up to Box Hill most weekends, was a regular at the Brighton sprints. So I remember how it was and it's gradual decline, which seems to just get progressively worse.
The odd thing is that when I moved to L.A I could not believe how clean the air was, how freely the traffic moved and how cheap the petrol was (99c a gallon). Within 6 months i joined everyone else in complaining about the smog, the traffic jams and the price of petrol biggrin
I'm not entirely sure what this has to do with speed limiters in cars. Your response on the thread about visits from Covid test and trace officers was that you would tell them to f*ck off, so in what other contexts would you consider tracking and forced obedience, possibly even with automated prosecutions for transgressions, to be essential in the name of safety?

After all, I'd be far more of a danger wandering round the supermarket claiming my exemption from wearing a mask a few days after returning from India than I would be driving slightly over the speed limit. I'm sure you're one of the nice people who abides by all the Covid safety regulations, so you shouldn't even notice or mind all the enforcement.



Edited by Blakewater on Friday 7th May 00:17

321boost

1,253 posts

69 months

Friday 7th May 2021
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irocfan said:
Projectblue51 said:
Kawasicki said:
Yep the ones not wanting it are anti-vax, trump/brexit supporting right winger types. Those fervently wanting it are caring/sharing types. The nice people basically.
I can't decide if you are just here to yank everyone's chain because that's how you get your thrills, or you believe that massive broad brush you just incorrectly painted so many people with.
Incoming parrot....
laugh