RE: Mercedes-AMG S65 saloon to bow out
Discussion
kambites said:
Cambs_Stuart said:
Oh yes. That's ok then.
It's obviously a hell of a lot in absolute terms, but losing 55% of list price in four years is probably fairly average. Serious bills lie ahead.
I would be looking elsewhere.
Helicopter123 said:
kambites said:
Cambs_Stuart said:
Oh yes. That's ok then.
It's obviously a hell of a lot in absolute terms, but losing 55% of list price in four years is probably fairly average. Serious bills lie ahead.
I would be looking elsewhere.
E65Ross said:
BIRMA said:
Fabulous engines, I had a CL65 (documented in readers cars under CL65 a fast barge) with this engine. Once on the move the power delivery was cartoon like, no fuss or noise just the scenery flashing by in a way to get you into serious trouble very quickly.
Not sure about having ceramic discs on a car this heavy though, it will be an even greater bargain a few more years down the road.
To maintain this vehicle properly will cost a small fortune, the combination of ceramic disc replacement and a major/spark plug service will make someone even with deep pockets cry.
Cost aside, I'm not sure why carbon ceramic discs DON'T make sense because of the weight (as you say)... Surely they make MORE sense with a heavy car? Not sure about having ceramic discs on a car this heavy though, it will be an even greater bargain a few more years down the road.
To maintain this vehicle properly will cost a small fortune, the combination of ceramic disc replacement and a major/spark plug service will make someone even with deep pockets cry.
Burwood said:
The big bills are mostly all general maintenance. It attracts the hyper car tax on all things. Servicing, parts. I know it won’t, but it should appreciate now they won’t make anything like it ever again.
Changing spark plugs at a Merc main dealer... given he E55k was OIrC £750ish is wager the v12 Bi turbo spark plug change will be way over £1k possibly £1.5k. These lprodixed 600bhp many years ago its only now the 4.0 v8 hot v bu Turbo has caught up
Why can we not have a hot V 6.5 ltr V12 bi Turbo.....
Welshbeef said:
Burwood said:
The big bills are mostly all general maintenance. It attracts the hyper car tax on all things. Servicing, parts. I know it won’t, but it should appreciate now they won’t make anything like it ever again.
Changing spark plugs at a Merc main dealer... given he E55k was OIrC £750ish is wager the v12 Bi turbo spark plug change will be way over £1k possibly £1.5k. These lprodixed 600bhp many years ago its only now the 4.0 v8 hot v bu Turbo has caught up
Why can we not have a hot V 6.5 ltr V12 bi Turbo.....
not cheap but still proportionally good for the cost of the car.
When I had to have the major service with the plugs on my C63, I struggled to find an independent that was significantly cheaper. They also allow 3 services in 2 years to do major/minor/major which adds to the value
‘End of an era’
‘Last of it’s kind’
‘Final edition’
I’m a big fan of big powerful Merc’s but can we stop pretending this is something special? This exact car will be worth 25 grand in less than 8 years and will look very dated compared to the next gen S-class, it’s not like it’s a 458 that has its own charm that will never be unappealing.
189k starting price for a standard one, absolute madness considering it’s going to be less than half in 3 years and still find its way in the overpriced cars thread
I don’t see why someone would buy this over an S500/560?
‘Last of it’s kind’
‘Final edition’
I’m a big fan of big powerful Merc’s but can we stop pretending this is something special? This exact car will be worth 25 grand in less than 8 years and will look very dated compared to the next gen S-class, it’s not like it’s a 458 that has its own charm that will never be unappealing.
189k starting price for a standard one, absolute madness considering it’s going to be less than half in 3 years and still find its way in the overpriced cars thread
I don’t see why someone would buy this over an S500/560?
Chestrockwell said:
‘End of an era’
‘Last of it’s kind’
‘Final edition’
I’m a big fan of big powerful Merc’s but can we stop pretending this is something special? This exact car will be worth 25 grand in less than 8 years and will look very dated compared to the next gen S-class, it’s not like it’s a 458 that has its own charm that will never be unappealing.
189k starting price for a standard one, absolute madness considering it’s going to be less than half in 3 years and still find its way in the overpriced cars thread
I don’t see why someone would buy this over an S500/560?
Have you driven a car with a V12? Or been in one? Secondly, whilst you may not think the car itself is something special, it is a very significant announcement, irrespective of what you think. Possibly the last time a V12 engine is in a Mercedes-Benz.‘Last of it’s kind’
‘Final edition’
I’m a big fan of big powerful Merc’s but can we stop pretending this is something special? This exact car will be worth 25 grand in less than 8 years and will look very dated compared to the next gen S-class, it’s not like it’s a 458 that has its own charm that will never be unappealing.
189k starting price for a standard one, absolute madness considering it’s going to be less than half in 3 years and still find its way in the overpriced cars thread
I don’t see why someone would buy this over an S500/560?
E65Ross said:
Chestrockwell said:
‘End of an era’
‘Last of it’s kind’
‘Final edition’
I’m a big fan of big powerful Merc’s but can we stop pretending this is something special? This exact car will be worth 25 grand in less than 8 years and will look very dated compared to the next gen S-class, it’s not like it’s a 458 that has its own charm that will never be unappealing.
189k starting price for a standard one, absolute madness considering it’s going to be less than half in 3 years and still find its way in the overpriced cars thread
I don’t see why someone would buy this over an S500/560?
Have you driven a car with a V12? Or been in one? Secondly, whilst you may not think the car itself is something special, it is a very significant announcement, irrespective of what you think. Possibly the last time a V12 engine is in a Mercedes-Benz.‘Last of it’s kind’
‘Final edition’
I’m a big fan of big powerful Merc’s but can we stop pretending this is something special? This exact car will be worth 25 grand in less than 8 years and will look very dated compared to the next gen S-class, it’s not like it’s a 458 that has its own charm that will never be unappealing.
189k starting price for a standard one, absolute madness considering it’s going to be less than half in 3 years and still find its way in the overpriced cars thread
I don’t see why someone would buy this over an S500/560?
190 k for one is touching an Ghost territory and I’d rather go for one and not lose 100k in 6 months.
Chestrockwell said:
E65Ross said:
Chestrockwell said:
‘End of an era’
‘Last of it’s kind’
‘Final edition’
I’m a big fan of big powerful Merc’s but can we stop pretending this is something special? This exact car will be worth 25 grand in less than 8 years and will look very dated compared to the next gen S-class, it’s not like it’s a 458 that has its own charm that will never be unappealing.
189k starting price for a standard one, absolute madness considering it’s going to be less than half in 3 years and still find its way in the overpriced cars thread
I don’t see why someone would buy this over an S500/560?
Have you driven a car with a V12? Or been in one? Secondly, whilst you may not think the car itself is something special, it is a very significant announcement, irrespective of what you think. Possibly the last time a V12 engine is in a Mercedes-Benz.‘Last of it’s kind’
‘Final edition’
I’m a big fan of big powerful Merc’s but can we stop pretending this is something special? This exact car will be worth 25 grand in less than 8 years and will look very dated compared to the next gen S-class, it’s not like it’s a 458 that has its own charm that will never be unappealing.
189k starting price for a standard one, absolute madness considering it’s going to be less than half in 3 years and still find its way in the overpriced cars thread
I don’t see why someone would buy this over an S500/560?
190 k for one is touching an Ghost territory and I’d rather go for one and not lose 100k in 6 months.
Welshbeef said:
Would anyone choose a hot v12 4.0ltr over the hot v4.0v8 (let’s assume Merc built both?).
The upside to the V12 would be notable more torque vs the V8 and smoothness a v8 simply cannot deliver.
I've driven a couple of 4.0TTs and own a couple of 5.5TT V12 mercs.The upside to the V12 would be notable more torque vs the V8 and smoothness a v8 simply cannot deliver.
The power delivery and driving experience is chalk and cheese. The V8s are by no means lacking torque, but it's quite clear they are augmented by boost and quite aggressive even in the lowest form of tune, where are the V12s are just silky smooth, quiet and unassuming... Until the boost starts to get fed in and ESP lights start flashing at 70MPH+ .
Absolutely wonderful engines, shame to see them go.
WorldBoss said:
I've driven a couple of 4.0TTs and own a couple of 5.5TT V12 mercs.
The power delivery and driving experience is chalk and cheese. The V8s are by no means lacking torque, but it's quite clear they are augmented by boost and quite aggressive even in the lowest form of tune, where are the V12s are just silky smooth, quiet and unassuming... Until the boost starts to get fed in and ESP lights start flashing at 70MPH+ .
Absolutely wonderful engines, shame to see them go.
BMW still have the 760i as does Bentley/RR have 12 clyinder options. It does seem a downgrade of Mercedes not to offer this engine anymore. The power delivery and driving experience is chalk and cheese. The V8s are by no means lacking torque, but it's quite clear they are augmented by boost and quite aggressive even in the lowest form of tune, where are the V12s are just silky smooth, quiet and unassuming... Until the boost starts to get fed in and ESP lights start flashing at 70MPH+ .
Absolutely wonderful engines, shame to see them go.
Time was that regular cars sold in big numbers, in part because of very special flagship that sold in tiny numbers.
Increasingly, people are wowed not by mechanics, but by electronics and even software, and tend to want it in their regular cars. Knowing that a version of their car exists with something spectacular under the bonnet seems not to do it for people anymore.
Consequently, the flagships are all sinking. Shame.
Increasingly, people are wowed not by mechanics, but by electronics and even software, and tend to want it in their regular cars. Knowing that a version of their car exists with something spectacular under the bonnet seems not to do it for people anymore.
Consequently, the flagships are all sinking. Shame.
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