RE: Mercedes-AMG S65 saloon to bow out

RE: Mercedes-AMG S65 saloon to bow out

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Helicopter123

8,831 posts

155 months

Monday 25th February 2019
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kambites said:
Cambs_Stuart said:
Oh yes. That's ok then.
It's obviously a hell of a lot in absolute terms, but losing 55% of list price in four years is probably fairly average.
True, but this is still heading towards earth at a rate.

Serious bills lie ahead.

I would be looking elsewhere.

Burwood

18,709 posts

245 months

Monday 25th February 2019
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Helicopter123 said:
kambites said:
Cambs_Stuart said:
Oh yes. That's ok then.
It's obviously a hell of a lot in absolute terms, but losing 55% of list price in four years is probably fairly average.
True, but this is still heading towards earth at a rate.

Serious bills lie ahead.

I would be looking elsewhere.
The big bills are mostly all general maintenance. It attracts the hyper car tax on all things. Servicing, parts. I know it won’t, but it should appreciate now they won’t make anything like it ever again.

BIRMA

3,803 posts

193 months

Monday 25th February 2019
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E65Ross said:
BIRMA said:
Fabulous engines, I had a CL65 (documented in readers cars under CL65 a fast barge) with this engine. Once on the move the power delivery was cartoon like, no fuss or noise just the scenery flashing by in a way to get you into serious trouble very quickly.
Not sure about having ceramic discs on a car this heavy though, it will be an even greater bargain a few more years down the road.
To maintain this vehicle properly will cost a small fortune, the combination of ceramic disc replacement and a major/spark plug service will make someone even with deep pockets cry.
Cost aside, I'm not sure why carbon ceramic discs DON'T make sense because of the weight (as you say)... Surely they make MORE sense with a heavy car?
From my experience of owning a car with ceramic brakes my limited research into them concluded they would last for a considerable time on a light car but not so on a heavy car. As they would wear quicker on a heavy car the cost of replacement would come around sooner. The cost of replacement would be considerable. At least this was my conclusion, I'd be happy to have them on another light car but would certainly not entertain the idea on a heavy car. Having said that you can buy metal replacements for ceramic discs but I know the metal discs for my CL65 were a couple of thousand pounds for two.

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

197 months

Monday 25th February 2019
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Burwood said:
The big bills are mostly all general maintenance. It attracts the hyper car tax on all things. Servicing, parts. I know it won’t, but it should appreciate now they won’t make anything like it ever again.
Changing spark plugs at a Merc main dealer... given he E55k was OIrC £750ish is wager the v12 Bi turbo spark plug change will be way over £1k possibly £1.5k.




These lprodixed 600bhp many years ago its only now the 4.0 v8 hot v bu Turbo has caught up

Why can we not have a hot V 6.5 ltr V12 bi Turbo.....

cossey

148 posts

188 months

Tuesday 26th February 2019
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Welshbeef said:
Burwood said:
The big bills are mostly all general maintenance. It attracts the hyper car tax on all things. Servicing, parts. I know it won’t, but it should appreciate now they won’t make anything like it ever again.
Changing spark plugs at a Merc main dealer... given he E55k was OIrC £750ish is wager the v12 Bi turbo spark plug change will be way over £1k possibly £1.5k.




These lprodixed 600bhp many years ago its only now the 4.0 v8 hot v bu Turbo has caught up

Why can we not have a hot V 6.5 ltr V12 bi Turbo.....
The service plans at Mercedes are not that bad (£2700 for 4 services over 4 years, so <£700 per year) which is not so much more than a C63 (£2100).
not cheap but still proportionally good for the cost of the car.

When I had to have the major service with the plugs on my C63, I struggled to find an independent that was significantly cheaper. They also allow 3 services in 2 years to do major/minor/major which adds to the value

Uncle John

4,271 posts

190 months

Wednesday 6th March 2019
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Not sure on the gold, cues of the recent Cupra... & a bit Ripspeed for an S Class.

Chestrockwell

2,624 posts

156 months

Wednesday 6th March 2019
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‘End of an era’

‘Last of it’s kind’

‘Final edition’

I’m a big fan of big powerful Merc’s but can we stop pretending this is something special? This exact car will be worth 25 grand in less than 8 years and will look very dated compared to the next gen S-class, it’s not like it’s a 458 that has its own charm that will never be unappealing.

189k starting price for a standard one, absolute madness considering it’s going to be less than half in 3 years and still find its way in the overpriced cars thread hehe

I don’t see why someone would buy this over an S500/560?

Midgster

568 posts

233 months

Wednesday 6th March 2019
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Cambs_Stuart said:
£100k depreciation in 8000 miles? Really?
Approx £12.50 per mile!!! My 3 mile journey to take the kids to school and back would cost me £150 per day yikes

Oh how the other half live.

E65Ross

34,947 posts

211 months

Wednesday 6th March 2019
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Chestrockwell said:
‘End of an era’

‘Last of it’s kind’

‘Final edition’

I’m a big fan of big powerful Merc’s but can we stop pretending this is something special? This exact car will be worth 25 grand in less than 8 years and will look very dated compared to the next gen S-class, it’s not like it’s a 458 that has its own charm that will never be unappealing.

189k starting price for a standard one, absolute madness considering it’s going to be less than half in 3 years and still find its way in the overpriced cars thread hehe

I don’t see why someone would buy this over an S500/560?
Have you driven a car with a V12? Or been in one? Secondly, whilst you may not think the car itself is something special, it is a very significant announcement, irrespective of what you think. Possibly the last time a V12 engine is in a Mercedes-Benz.

Chestrockwell

2,624 posts

156 months

Thursday 7th March 2019
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E65Ross said:
Chestrockwell said:
‘End of an era’

‘Last of it’s kind’

‘Final edition’

I’m a big fan of big powerful Merc’s but can we stop pretending this is something special? This exact car will be worth 25 grand in less than 8 years and will look very dated compared to the next gen S-class, it’s not like it’s a 458 that has its own charm that will never be unappealing.

189k starting price for a standard one, absolute madness considering it’s going to be less than half in 3 years and still find its way in the overpriced cars thread hehe

I don’t see why someone would buy this over an S500/560?
Have you driven a car with a V12? Or been in one? Secondly, whilst you may not think the car itself is something special, it is a very significant announcement, irrespective of what you think. Possibly the last time a V12 engine is in a Mercedes-Benz.
I haven’t driven a V12 or been in one but I have driven a few V8 AMG’s and a few V8 mercs, they are special, I’m not doubting a V12’s appeal and I’m sure I’d fall in love with an S65 or any V12 for that matter but only because I’m an average guy driving an average car.

190 k for one is touching an Ghost territory and I’d rather go for one and not lose 100k in 6 months.


B17NNS

18,506 posts

246 months

Thursday 7th March 2019
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Fabulous thing but as alluded to above, in ten years it’ll be a £20k barge with very dated tech.

Eye watering depreciation for the first two owners. Eye watering bills for the next ones.

For the very rich then the very brave.

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

197 months

Thursday 7th March 2019
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I’ve been in a v12 (XLS as it happens which was in shed territory and was a passenger) it was a very nice experience so smooth so powerful at any revs.

Conversely it made my old C5 RS6 appear frugal....that old V12 would give Oliver Reed a good innings in the drinking territory.

E65Ross

34,947 posts

211 months

Thursday 7th March 2019
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Chestrockwell said:
E65Ross said:
Chestrockwell said:
‘End of an era’

‘Last of it’s kind’

‘Final edition’

I’m a big fan of big powerful Merc’s but can we stop pretending this is something special? This exact car will be worth 25 grand in less than 8 years and will look very dated compared to the next gen S-class, it’s not like it’s a 458 that has its own charm that will never be unappealing.

189k starting price for a standard one, absolute madness considering it’s going to be less than half in 3 years and still find its way in the overpriced cars thread hehe

I don’t see why someone would buy this over an S500/560?
Have you driven a car with a V12? Or been in one? Secondly, whilst you may not think the car itself is something special, it is a very significant announcement, irrespective of what you think. Possibly the last time a V12 engine is in a Mercedes-Benz.
I haven’t driven a V12 or been in one but I have driven a few V8 AMG’s and a few V8 mercs, they are special, I’m not doubting a V12’s appeal and I’m sure I’d fall in love with an S65 or any V12 for that matter but only because I’m an average guy driving an average car.

190 k for one is touching an Ghost territory and I’d rather go for one and not lose 100k in 6 months.
I suggest you try a V12 wink

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

197 months

Thursday 7th March 2019
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Would anyone choose a hot v12 4.0ltr over the hot v4.0v8 (let’s assume Merc built both?).

The upside to the V12 would be notable more torque vs the V8 and smoothness a v8 simply cannot deliver.

anonymous-user

53 months

Thursday 7th March 2019
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Welshbeef said:
Would anyone choose a hot v12 4.0ltr over the hot v4.0v8 (let’s assume Merc built both?).

The upside to the V12 would be notable more torque vs the V8 and smoothness a v8 simply cannot deliver.
I've driven a couple of 4.0TTs and own a couple of 5.5TT V12 mercs.

The power delivery and driving experience is chalk and cheese. The V8s are by no means lacking torque, but it's quite clear they are augmented by boost and quite aggressive even in the lowest form of tune, where are the V12s are just silky smooth, quiet and unassuming... Until the boost starts to get fed in and ESP lights start flashing at 70MPH+ biggrin.

Absolutely wonderful engines, shame to see them go.

Sandpit Steve

9,885 posts

73 months

Thursday 7th March 2019
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Anyone else searching the classifieds for V12s, ordered by price ascending?

st4

1,359 posts

132 months

Thursday 7th March 2019
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WorldBoss said:
I've driven a couple of 4.0TTs and own a couple of 5.5TT V12 mercs.

The power delivery and driving experience is chalk and cheese. The V8s are by no means lacking torque, but it's quite clear they are augmented by boost and quite aggressive even in the lowest form of tune, where are the V12s are just silky smooth, quiet and unassuming... Until the boost starts to get fed in and ESP lights start flashing at 70MPH+ biggrin.

Absolutely wonderful engines, shame to see them go.
BMW still have the 760i as does Bentley/RR have 12 clyinder options. It does seem a downgrade of Mercedes not to offer this engine anymore.

C7 JFW

1,205 posts

218 months

Thursday 7th March 2019
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I love these. Very sad to see the end but I guess inevitable what with anorexic polar bears and climate change.

Still, end of an era.

BIRMA

3,803 posts

193 months

Thursday 7th March 2019
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I believe AMG will continue assembling the V12 for Pagani. The AMG tweaked V12 in the CL65 I owned was just superb, I guess the market for a hot V V12 would be so limited it probably would never be cost effective to try.

mrbarnett

1,090 posts

92 months

Thursday 7th March 2019
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Time was that regular cars sold in big numbers, in part because of very special flagship that sold in tiny numbers.

Increasingly, people are wowed not by mechanics, but by electronics and even software, and tend to want it in their regular cars. Knowing that a version of their car exists with something spectacular under the bonnet seems not to do it for people anymore.

Consequently, the flagships are all sinking. Shame.