RE: Next Porsche Macan to be electric only
Discussion
RacerMike said:
Either way, no one is suggesting EVs are suitable for everyone just yet.
I think a few are trying 
My point is, and I can only speak for the market I'm most likely to exist in, UK / Ireland, there is a lot of work to be done to make pure electric cars practically viable for the average 'punter'Also we can't just dismiss the Japanese cars... That a looooot of electric cars. Prius's, Leafs etc. are a significant chunk of the market.
hondansx said:
Explaining the choice, Porsche bigwig Oliver Blume said: "Electromobility and Porsche go together perfectly; not just because they share a high-efficiency approach, but especially because of their sporty character."
What a load of tosh!
Meh. People accepted diesel Porsches, electric is more appropriate than that.What a load of tosh!
hondansx said:
Explaining the choice, Porsche bigwig Oliver Blume said: "Electromobility and Porsche go together perfectly; not just because they share a high-efficiency approach, but especially because of their sporty character."
What a load of tosh!
This high ranking member of an automobile manufacturer is putting a positive spin on a future product line.......I just can't understand why he would do that. What a load of tosh!
otolith said:
aaron_2000 said:
MrGeoff said:
wab172uk said:
Yet the British infrastructure to charge these thing is virtually none existent.
Sit outside a petrol station for an hour and count how many cars fill up then leave. Now think of the massive que's waiting for all these cars to plug into a charge point for 45 mins.
I'm sure this push for `all electric` will be turned round when no one buys them as they can't charge the damn things up.
Plus, just how many more power stations will we need if we all went all electric? We can't even build one without the French or Chinese building it for us. Look how that's gone recently?
Let's skip the foreplay and get straight to hydrogen...Sit outside a petrol station for an hour and count how many cars fill up then leave. Now think of the massive que's waiting for all these cars to plug into a charge point for 45 mins.
I'm sure this push for `all electric` will be turned round when no one buys them as they can't charge the damn things up.
Plus, just how many more power stations will we need if we all went all electric? We can't even build one without the French or Chinese building it for us. Look how that's gone recently?
https://www.hyundai.co.uk/new-cars/nexo
Fire99 said:
RacerMike said:
Either way, no one is suggesting EVs are suitable for everyone just yet.
I think a few are trying My point is, and I can only speak for the market I'm most likely to exist in, UK / Ireland, there is a lot of work to be done to make pure electric cars practically viable for the average 'punter'Also we can't just dismiss the Japanese cars... That a looooot of electric cars. Prius's, Leafs etc. are a significant chunk of the market.
Since Europe has agreed upon CCS Type 2, all of the public rapid chargers will primarily support CCS Type 2. Ultimately, it'll mean the Japanese electric cars will need to switch to support, and it largely makes sense to do so as (by the definition of it's name Combine Charging System) allows you to group both AC and DC charging connectors into one port.
RacerMike said:
Not dismissing Japanese cars at all. What I meant by my comment was that they often aren't prepared to engineer different solutions for different markets. This is why they've stuck with ChAdemo. Japan uses/used ChAdemo as their charging connector initially (China uses a version of it) whilst others had no standardised charging method. Recently though, CCS Type 2 was standardised for Europe and the US (although in typical US fashion, they have a slightly different connector but the same charging protocol).
Since Europe has agreed upon CCS Type 2, all of the public rapid chargers will primarily support CCS Type 2. Ultimately, it'll mean the Japanese electric cars will need to switch to support, and it largely makes sense to do so as (by the definition of it's name Combine Charging System) allows you to group both AC and DC charging connectors into one port.
Certainly interesting.. I'll be curious to see how things progress. It's definitely a steep learning curve for me. I've not even been a passenger in an EV.. Well unless you include a fairground dodgem and some awful karts in East London. Since Europe has agreed upon CCS Type 2, all of the public rapid chargers will primarily support CCS Type 2. Ultimately, it'll mean the Japanese electric cars will need to switch to support, and it largely makes sense to do so as (by the definition of it's name Combine Charging System) allows you to group both AC and DC charging connectors into one port.
aaron_2000 said:
otolith said:
aaron_2000 said:
MrGeoff said:
wab172uk said:
Yet the British infrastructure to charge these thing is virtually none existent.
Sit outside a petrol station for an hour and count how many cars fill up then leave. Now think of the massive que's waiting for all these cars to plug into a charge point for 45 mins.
I'm sure this push for `all electric` will be turned round when no one buys them as they can't charge the damn things up.
Plus, just how many more power stations will we need if we all went all electric? We can't even build one without the French or Chinese building it for us. Look how that's gone recently?
Let's skip the foreplay and get straight to hydrogen...Sit outside a petrol station for an hour and count how many cars fill up then leave. Now think of the massive que's waiting for all these cars to plug into a charge point for 45 mins.
I'm sure this push for `all electric` will be turned round when no one buys them as they can't charge the damn things up.
Plus, just how many more power stations will we need if we all went all electric? We can't even build one without the French or Chinese building it for us. Look how that's gone recently?
https://www.hyundai.co.uk/new-cars/nexo
RacerMike said:
aaron_2000 said:
otolith said:
aaron_2000 said:
MrGeoff said:
wab172uk said:
Yet the British infrastructure to charge these thing is virtually none existent.
Sit outside a petrol station for an hour and count how many cars fill up then leave. Now think of the massive que's waiting for all these cars to plug into a charge point for 45 mins.
I'm sure this push for `all electric` will be turned round when no one buys them as they can't charge the damn things up.
Plus, just how many more power stations will we need if we all went all electric? We can't even build one without the French or Chinese building it for us. Look how that's gone recently?
Let's skip the foreplay and get straight to hydrogen...Sit outside a petrol station for an hour and count how many cars fill up then leave. Now think of the massive que's waiting for all these cars to plug into a charge point for 45 mins.
I'm sure this push for `all electric` will be turned round when no one buys them as they can't charge the damn things up.
Plus, just how many more power stations will we need if we all went all electric? We can't even build one without the French or Chinese building it for us. Look how that's gone recently?
https://www.hyundai.co.uk/new-cars/nexo
What the world needs is cheap EV's though, I suppose the issue is they are expensive to produce and heavy so biased towards luxury cars.
Is there anything EV smaller than a Leaf ? which is actually a fairly large car, something Aygo/Up Sized would be great, I know there is the E Up but I dont think you can buy one and its 24 grand ffs, imagine say a 15 grand electric supermini, zero VED, fairly brisk, quiet, pennies to run and a decent range, now thats the one that would be pretty compelling for so many punters.
Is there anything EV smaller than a Leaf ? which is actually a fairly large car, something Aygo/Up Sized would be great, I know there is the E Up but I dont think you can buy one and its 24 grand ffs, imagine say a 15 grand electric supermini, zero VED, fairly brisk, quiet, pennies to run and a decent range, now thats the one that would be pretty compelling for so many punters.
aaron_2000 said:
otolith said:
aaron_2000 said:
MrGeoff said:
wab172uk said:
Yet the British infrastructure to charge these thing is virtually none existent.
Sit outside a petrol station for an hour and count how many cars fill up then leave. Now think of the massive que's waiting for all these cars to plug into a charge point for 45 mins.
I'm sure this push for `all electric` will be turned round when no one buys them as they can't charge the damn things up.
Plus, just how many more power stations will we need if we all went all electric? We can't even build one without the French or Chinese building it for us. Look how that's gone recently?
Let's skip the foreplay and get straight to hydrogen...Sit outside a petrol station for an hour and count how many cars fill up then leave. Now think of the massive que's waiting for all these cars to plug into a charge point for 45 mins.
I'm sure this push for `all electric` will be turned round when no one buys them as they can't charge the damn things up.
Plus, just how many more power stations will we need if we all went all electric? We can't even build one without the French or Chinese building it for us. Look how that's gone recently?
https://www.hyundai.co.uk/new-cars/nexo
J4CKO said:
What the world needs is cheap EV's though, I suppose the issue is they are expensive to produce and heavy so biased towards luxury cars.
Is there anything EV smaller than a Leaf ? which is actually a fairly large car, something Aygo/Up Sized would be great, I know there is the E Up but I dont think you can buy one and its 24 grand ffs, imagine say a 15 grand electric supermini, zero VED, fairly brisk, quiet, pennies to run and a decent range, now thats the one that would be pretty compelling for so many punters.
I think you're probably imagining a ZoeIs there anything EV smaller than a Leaf ? which is actually a fairly large car, something Aygo/Up Sized would be great, I know there is the E Up but I dont think you can buy one and its 24 grand ffs, imagine say a 15 grand electric supermini, zero VED, fairly brisk, quiet, pennies to run and a decent range, now thats the one that would be pretty compelling for so many punters.
https://offers.renault.co.uk/cars/zoe/renaultselec...
I'm not sure we do need more cars this size though. It's a small market. What we need is the boring sewing machine Focus' and Golfs as EVs for similar money. That's exactly what VW are planning to offer with the ID, Peugeot with the 208 EV and Ford with their upcoming BEV.
aaron_2000 said:
RacerMike said:
Ultimately, Hydrogen is unlikely to catch on. It just doesn't deliver acceptable efficiency....it's only about 20% well to wheel which is worse even than ICE. It also needs massive high pressure tanks, is phenomenally difficult to distribute and doesn't really offer any advantages over a BEV. If anything it's far more inconvenient to 'charge' a hydrogen car. Sure it can do 500miles between fill ups, but you're seriously limited in where you can fill it up.
Not sure what about that is changing the laws of physics thoughsjg said:
I'm going out on a limb here, but I think the Porsche owners' houses will have been connected to the grid already.
I'm thinking along similar lines: they've done their 'market research' and have found that the majority of Macan owners have 'off-street parking', making it easier for them to just charge at home. Let those peasants with 'Leaf's keep charging on the street!!! 
There's still plenty of people out their actively choosing dinosaur burners, and I don't think they'll all have stopped by 2021. Which means they're shutting out a significant proportion of the market for their most popular model. I'm sure Porsche have done their research, but that still seems a strange move to me.
Can't wait. I've got a 2015 Touareg at the moment. It already feels old-fashioned .
Sure I can fill it with Diesel anywhere, but when 80% of my journeys in it are within about 40 miles of home, that's hardly a big consideration.
I'd love an electric Porsche SUV. Make it handle half-decently, room in the boot for the dog, enough range to get me around on a day-to-day basis, cheap enough to fill up and I'll be more than happy. Might need an iota's more thought to recharge overnight at home and plan long journeys, but there's no point speculating and worrying about the state of infrastructure in 2 or 3 years' time.
Sign me up for this, or an E-Tron estate when I come to change; it'll be the perfect car.
And with the money saved on petrol, I can buy a v8 F-Type...
Sure I can fill it with Diesel anywhere, but when 80% of my journeys in it are within about 40 miles of home, that's hardly a big consideration.
I'd love an electric Porsche SUV. Make it handle half-decently, room in the boot for the dog, enough range to get me around on a day-to-day basis, cheap enough to fill up and I'll be more than happy. Might need an iota's more thought to recharge overnight at home and plan long journeys, but there's no point speculating and worrying about the state of infrastructure in 2 or 3 years' time.
Sign me up for this, or an E-Tron estate when I come to change; it'll be the perfect car.
And with the money saved on petrol, I can buy a v8 F-Type...
Cupramax said:
PH article said:
It will be the first model to take advantage of the 'Premium Platform Electric' architecture co-developed with Audi
The first apart from the E-tron. So this is basically an E-tron with a Porsche frock on.
te.It's taken Audi this long to produce the e-tron and it's worse than the competition (from what I've read/seen on YouTube).
Fortunately for Porsche, they employ decent engineers so may turn it into something better.
otolith said:
aaron_2000 said:
otolith said:
aaron_2000 said:
MrGeoff said:
wab172uk said:
Yet the British infrastructure to charge these thing is virtually none existent.
Sit outside a petrol station for an hour and count how many cars fill up then leave. Now think of the massive que's waiting for all these cars to plug into a charge point for 45 mins.
I'm sure this push for `all electric` will be turned round when no one buys them as they can't charge the damn things up.
Plus, just how many more power stations will we need if we all went all electric? We can't even build one without the French or Chinese building it for us. Look how that's gone recently?
Let's skip the foreplay and get straight to hydrogen...Sit outside a petrol station for an hour and count how many cars fill up then leave. Now think of the massive que's waiting for all these cars to plug into a charge point for 45 mins.
I'm sure this push for `all electric` will be turned round when no one buys them as they can't charge the damn things up.
Plus, just how many more power stations will we need if we all went all electric? We can't even build one without the French or Chinese building it for us. Look how that's gone recently?
https://www.hyundai.co.uk/new-cars/nexo
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