RE: Jeep Wrangler: PH Trade-Off!
Discussion
Zed Ed said:
beljames said:
I've got a 2015 JK Wrangler Rubicon Unlimited with the 3.6 v6 engine. For me, its one of the best cars I've ever owned. The whole roof comes off for those rare summer days and the family and dogs pile in. Its relatively comfortable in a utilitarian kind of way, goes literally anywhere and is happy chuntering along at 70 all day long. It's easily the most versatile car I've got. Off-road, which you really should do if you buy one, it's easily the equal, if not better than the Defender, and you can hose it out if you fill it with mud (yes, we have, and yes, you can). On road, it absolutely spanks the Defender. It's no Discovery in terms of road-holding and drive quality, but it's not pretending to be.
On the downside, the diesel is a bit meh (so get the petrol). It's short on toys and connected what-not (which I like, but accept others don't - although it does come with an extraordinarily good stereo). Like most American cars, I don't know how they make something so big on the outside so small on the inside (think mid-size saloon) and fannying around with the roof does take longer than it should if it was better designed. Finally, for reasons I don't understand, its towing weight is too low, although not in the US, which I suspect is down to our odd rules on emissions.
My brother bought a Defender at the same time as I bought the Wrangler. It has spent so long at the dealer its untrue and has already started to rust anywhere that is not aluminium. Mine has been utterly reliable. We absolutely love it. It's a much under-rated car and I suspect I've lost very little money on it as well, judging by what they go for second hand (although you may have missed the boat on that game).
Great summary; i’ve a 3.6 too, 2016, and it is much loved by the whole family.On the downside, the diesel is a bit meh (so get the petrol). It's short on toys and connected what-not (which I like, but accept others don't - although it does come with an extraordinarily good stereo). Like most American cars, I don't know how they make something so big on the outside so small on the inside (think mid-size saloon) and fannying around with the roof does take longer than it should if it was better designed. Finally, for reasons I don't understand, its towing weight is too low, although not in the US, which I suspect is down to our odd rules on emissions.
My brother bought a Defender at the same time as I bought the Wrangler. It has spent so long at the dealer its untrue and has already started to rust anywhere that is not aluminium. Mine has been utterly reliable. We absolutely love it. It's a much under-rated car and I suspect I've lost very little money on it as well, judging by what they go for second hand (although you may have missed the boat on that game).
Interestingly, a car I overlooked for many years in the UK, until I had one as a rental in an extended vacation in the US.
Bought one when I got back to Blighty and not looked back since.
Ritchie335is said:
Zed Ed said:
beljames said:
I've got a 2015 JK Wrangler Rubicon Unlimited with the 3.6 v6 engine. For me, its one of the best cars I've ever owned. The whole roof comes off for those rare summer days and the family and dogs pile in. Its relatively comfortable in a utilitarian kind of way, goes literally anywhere and is happy chuntering along at 70 all day long. It's easily the most versatile car I've got. Off-road, which you really should do if you buy one, it's easily the equal, if not better than the Defender, and you can hose it out if you fill it with mud (yes, we have, and yes, you can). On road, it absolutely spanks the Defender. It's no Discovery in terms of road-holding and drive quality, but it's not pretending to be.
On the downside, the diesel is a bit meh (so get the petrol). It's short on toys and connected what-not (which I like, but accept others don't - although it does come with an extraordinarily good stereo). Like most American cars, I don't know how they make something so big on the outside so small on the inside (think mid-size saloon) and fannying around with the roof does take longer than it should if it was better designed. Finally, for reasons I don't understand, its towing weight is too low, although not in the US, which I suspect is down to our odd rules on emissions.
My brother bought a Defender at the same time as I bought the Wrangler. It has spent so long at the dealer its untrue and has already started to rust anywhere that is not aluminium. Mine has been utterly reliable. We absolutely love it. It's a much under-rated car and I suspect I've lost very little money on it as well, judging by what they go for second hand (although you may have missed the boat on that game).
Great summary; i’ve a 3.6 too, 2016, and it is much loved by the whole family.On the downside, the diesel is a bit meh (so get the petrol). It's short on toys and connected what-not (which I like, but accept others don't - although it does come with an extraordinarily good stereo). Like most American cars, I don't know how they make something so big on the outside so small on the inside (think mid-size saloon) and fannying around with the roof does take longer than it should if it was better designed. Finally, for reasons I don't understand, its towing weight is too low, although not in the US, which I suspect is down to our odd rules on emissions.
My brother bought a Defender at the same time as I bought the Wrangler. It has spent so long at the dealer its untrue and has already started to rust anywhere that is not aluminium. Mine has been utterly reliable. We absolutely love it. It's a much under-rated car and I suspect I've lost very little money on it as well, judging by what they go for second hand (although you may have missed the boat on that game).
Interestingly, a car I overlooked for many years in the UK, until I had one as a rental in an extended vacation in the US.
Bought one when I got back to Blighty and not looked back since.
A 3.0 straight 6 turbo diesel is due later in 2019...again this may not be available in Europe.
Has anyone thought to question why a Wrangler (which are as common as muck in the US) starts at around $30,000 (£23,000) over there but is twice that over here? It beggars belief why any sane person would even contemplate spending such a ridiculous sum on something so uncomfortable and unreliable. Why are they so common in the US? They are cheap and have a certain "cool" about them. They are still uncomfortable and unreliable - JD Power rank them 4th worst out of 30 brands in terms of reliability (interestingly, just ahead of Land Rover!).
Can't help but think it's a pointless article... but then it's a pointless vehicle over in the UK anyway! Same as any Defender argument, the type of people spending £45k on one of these are unlikely to go smashing it around a pay and play every weekend, and anyone else who actually goes off road on a regular basis will buy a Ranger/D-Max/Hilux etc...
This new "Chelsea" Wrangler (same as the posh Defenders) is just for looking flash. This new one looking even more "Kahn" straight from the factory, IMO.
This new "Chelsea" Wrangler (same as the posh Defenders) is just for looking flash. This new one looking even more "Kahn" straight from the factory, IMO.
flatso said:
I love the look of these, always have, and the new one continues the great pedigree.
HOWEVER, I have heard that this latest model only got a 1star crash rating; if true it is a joke and shows of utterly lazy engineering just riding the historical image wave.
Read this and thought, na, no way can that be true in this day and age.HOWEVER, I have heard that this latest model only got a 1star crash rating; if true it is a joke and shows of utterly lazy engineering just riding the historical image wave.
Shock horror
https://www.euroncap.com/en/results/jeep/wrangler/...
Don't crash one or get hit by one eh!
C.A.R. said:
Read this and thought, na, no way can that be true in this day and age.
Shock horror
https://www.euroncap.com/en/results/jeep/wrangler/...
Don't crash one or get hit by one eh!
I find that crash test interesting if you look at it in greater detail. In the actual crash parts of the test it didn't do terribly. Not terribly well either, but fairly acceptable.Shock horror
https://www.euroncap.com/en/results/jeep/wrangler/...
Don't crash one or get hit by one eh!
A lot of the low score comes from the lack of crash-prevention technology, which I personally think should be given a separate score independent to the crash rating.
Also interesting is that a pole-test was simply not conducted. There is no explanation as to why, and that knocks a whole 8 points off the adult occupant score for no apparent reason.
I appreciate that it's not the safest score, but I don't think the one-star headline is truly representative.
Edited by Brynjaminjones on Thursday 7th March 09:24
Avdb said:
I have a 2014 5 door Wrangler Overland auto which has all the luxury features you expect in a modern car and it is comfortable and reliable.
The 2.2 diesel is over 30Mpg for longer journeys.
2.8CRD not 2.2?The 2.2 diesel is over 30Mpg for longer journeys.
Edited by Avdb on Monday 4th March 10:02
Drove mine to Cote d'Azur twice. was fine apart from one off camber downhill bend coming out of mountain tunnels at 85mph, definitley took a bite out of my seat.
Averaged 35mpg...
Hired a 3.6 in Greece a few years ago and test drove the 2.8 crd auto and manuals over here.
I liked them but was waiting for the prices to fall.
Correct me if I'm wrong but back in 2009 the 4 door Sahara was about 18k new and by 2014 a 2009 could be had for 12k from a dealer.
Then they shot up. Not long ago they were 30k and now this article says the 2 door starts at 44k
A previous poster mentions that now a 2009 can be had for 22k.
I should have bought one back then. I would have made money.
I liked them but was waiting for the prices to fall.
Correct me if I'm wrong but back in 2009 the 4 door Sahara was about 18k new and by 2014 a 2009 could be had for 12k from a dealer.
Then they shot up. Not long ago they were 30k and now this article says the 2 door starts at 44k
A previous poster mentions that now a 2009 can be had for 22k.
I should have bought one back then. I would have made money.
Brynjaminjones said:
I find that crash test interesting if you look at it in greater detail. In the actual crash parts of the test it didn't do terribly. Not terribly well either, but fairly acceptable.
A lot of the low score comes from the lack of crash-prevention technology, which I personally think should be given a separate score independent to the crash rating.
Also interesting is that a pole-test was simply not conducted. There is no explanation as to why, and that knocks a whole 8 point of the adult occupant score for no apparent reason.
I appreciate that it's not the safest score, but I don't think the one-star headline is truly representative.
Yeah! The lack of safety aids gives a skewed result and makes one think that the car must be made out of papier-mache. A lot of the low score comes from the lack of crash-prevention technology, which I personally think should be given a separate score independent to the crash rating.
Also interesting is that a pole-test was simply not conducted. There is no explanation as to why, and that knocks a whole 8 point of the adult occupant score for no apparent reason.
I appreciate that it's not the safest score, but I don't think the one-star headline is truly representative.
My 2016 Mustang only got 2 or 3 stars due to the UK version not having lane departure/blind spot/auto braking.
Still was a very safe car to have an accident in, as proved by some unfortunates on the Mustang 6G forum.
Accidents mainly caused by the oem fitment of useless tyres for the UK.
Andy83n said:
Hairymonster said:
New Suzuki Jimny - £16k
Plus £500 to get the rear window emblazones with your salon detailsloads of fun when you find that some colloquialisms are well traveled
a friend, visiting the US from Down Under, made a similar remark about another car with questionable credentials
"You guys call it a hairdresser's car, too?" he said
we laughed and laughed -- probably more about our discovery of shared culture than about the car
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