RE: Volvo to fit all cars with 112mph speed limiter
Discussion
deckster said:
It's ludicrously trivial to make the point that you need greater concentration when driving faster. It's a pointlessly fatuous statement that nobody's disagreeing with.
The 'remarkable' leap is to go from "you need to concentrate harder" to "therefore you have fewer accidents" - hence my request for some evidence to back it up.
Motorways are the safest roads and these are the roads people drive fastest on.The 'remarkable' leap is to go from "you need to concentrate harder" to "therefore you have fewer accidents" - hence my request for some evidence to back it up.
It seems good reasoned logic to me. Driving fast is good and right but it’s not allowed. Until that situation changes 112mph limiters won’t affect the bulk of Volvo drivers.
SOL111 said:
Kawasicki said:
deckster said:
Etypephil said:
driving at higher speeds, when appropriate, requires higher levels of concentration, thus greater attention to the job in hand, resulting in fewer errors and accidents.
I'd love to see the exhaustive research that you've done to come to this quite remarkable conclusion.I need to drive 500km on the Autobahn.
If I drive at 100km/h my attention will tend to wander from the driving task...and that situation will last 5 hours.
If I drive 200km/h I will need to concentrate more, so my attention will be less likely to wander...and my drive will be finished in 2.5 hours.
Those who say that the speed doesn't have an effect on the concentration/awareness required are wrong. It is human nature.
However, the rest of us who live in the UK (or anywhere else with motorway speed limits) probably don't have 500km of unrestricted roads to hone these levels of concentration
Driving at 100mph is not a hard thing to do. There’s no real mystery or skill to it other than observation and decent car control.
This does seem an immensely pointless feature. Anyone who would even countenance driving over 100mph simply won't buy one and anyone who will buy one would never go that fast ergo the limiter will never actually be exercised. Actually I suppose discouraging certain demographics of driver from buying Volvos might lower the insurance risk statistics over time making them a more attractive prospect due to lower running costs so maybe there is some merit to it.
It would make no difference to me if my cars were limited to 112mph but it would irrationally slightly put me off buying a car, I would never buy a new Volvo though so somewhat irrelevant.
It would make no difference to me if my cars were limited to 112mph but it would irrationally slightly put me off buying a car, I would never buy a new Volvo though so somewhat irrelevant.
SOL111 said:
Kawasicki said:
deckster said:
Etypephil said:
driving at higher speeds, when appropriate, requires higher levels of concentration, thus greater attention to the job in hand, resulting in fewer errors and accidents.
I'd love to see the exhaustive research that you've done to come to this quite remarkable conclusion.I need to drive 500km on the Autobahn.
If I drive at 100km/h my attention will tend to wander from the driving task...and that situation will last 5 hours.
If I drive 200km/h I will need to concentrate more, so my attention will be less likely to wander...and my drive will be finished in 2.5 hours.
Those who say that the speed doesn't have an effect on the concentration/awareness required are wrong. It is human nature.
I would imagine that native Germans, who grew up with autobahns may well have higher levels of concentration/awareness.
However, the rest of us who live in the UK (or anywhere else with motorway speed limits) probably don't have 500km of unrestricted roads to hone these levels of concentration
SOL111,
Tunbridge Wells was a joke; have you never read letters in the Times or Telegraph? Tonbridge Wells doesn't exist. Tonbridge is a different town. Please concentrate. :-)
Remarkably, some of us who live in Britain, also drive across Europe covering 1,200 miles (1,920 km) in a day.
st4 said:
Yep it’s very low. France only has itself to blame. They had a chance to vote in a great leader, they chose him instead and it was quite clear this was the sort of BS virtue signalling that was on the agenda. They riot now but all they had to do was vote Le Pen.
I have no doubt you're an impartial expert on the French political landscape but populist leaders a la Poujade are fortunately still perceived as prejudiced demagogues by a majority of people, a little like UKIP/Garage in the UK. Edited by nickfrog on Tuesday 12th March 14:30
st4 said:
Motorways are the safest roads and these are the roads people drive fastest on.
It seems good reasoned logic to me.
Good reasoned logic? People drive fast, motorways are safe, so therefore driving fast is safe?It seems good reasoned logic to me.
My cat can come up with better arguments than that.
I can't quite believe I'm typing this, but I might suggest that things like, oh, everybody driving in the same direction; physical separation from people coming towards you, good sight lines, wide roads, junctions designed for fast entrance and exit, and a whole host of other road design features might play more of a part than "people concentrating hard because they're going fast". But then you knew that anyway. As did everybody else. So this whole post has been a waste of my time. Ah well.
deckster said:
st4 said:
Motorways are the safest roads and these are the roads people drive fastest on.
It seems good reasoned logic to me.
Good reasoned logic? People drive fast, motorways are safe, so therefore driving fast is safe?It seems good reasoned logic to me.
My cat can come up with better arguments than that.
nickfrog said:
I have no doubt you're an impartial expert on the French political landscape but populist leaders a la Poujade are fortunately still perceived as prejudiced demagogues by a majority of people, a little like UKIP/Garage in the UK.
I voted UKIP. A lot of people did. Edited by nickfrog on Tuesday 12th March 14:30
st4 said:
I voted UKIP. A lot of people did.
In relative terms (which means as a proportion of the overall electorate), not a lot of people did, a small minority if you like.https://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBr...
nickfrog said:
In relative terms (which means as a proportion of the overall electorate), not a lot of people did, a small minority if you like.
https://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBr...
More people voted UKIP than they did SNP - sadly not concentrated enough in a few areas to take a meaningful number of seats. I vote conservative and would do next election but there really isn’t anything credible that occupies conservative politics in the U.K. other than the DUP - and as I don’t live in Ulster...https://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBr...
Etypephil said:
Thank you Kawasicki.
SOL111,
Tunbridge Wells was a joke; have you never read letters in the Times or Telegraph? Tonbridge Wells doesn't exist. Tonbridge is a different town. Please concentrate. :-)
Remarkably, some of us who live in Britain, also drive across Europe covering 1,200 miles (1,920 km) in a day.
SOL111,
Tunbridge Wells was a joke; have you never read letters in the Times or Telegraph? Tonbridge Wells doesn't exist. Tonbridge is a different town. Please concentrate. :-)
Remarkably, some of us who live in Britain, also drive across Europe covering 1,200 miles (1,920 km) in a day.
my bad, thought it was a typo.Obviously I don't drive fast enough so don't have the capacity to concentrate
In seriousness I get your point but imho you'd have to drive in Germany a fair bit to get any useful benefit from that kind of speed here in the UK.
Germans are born into a society that has autobahns. Unlimited autobahns have been around they I'd imagine every German alive now was born post their creation, therefore when most Germans pass their test slowly over time they get better and better at higher speed driving skills. They aren't intrinsically better drivers just more used to driving fast.
If the UK suddenly had unlimited speed limit sections it would take a generation before the general consensus level of skill at driving at high speed would maybe people's perceived level of their own skill.
Look at Finland the test procedure is completely different to ours, like for like I'd say the drivers over their are better than over here, it don't make them special though, I'm sure British people could all be trained to a higher level of skill.
If the UK suddenly had unlimited speed limit sections it would take a generation before the general consensus level of skill at driving at high speed would maybe people's perceived level of their own skill.
Look at Finland the test procedure is completely different to ours, like for like I'd say the drivers over their are better than over here, it don't make them special though, I'm sure British people could all be trained to a higher level of skill.
oldaudi said:
Anyone else notice that the Audi q4 E-Tron is also limited to 112mph hour when it is released. Co-incidence, this 180kmh speed, or something more sinister going on?
If you only have to design for 0 to 180kph you don't have to worry about gearing and/or trickery that would make the car go beyond 180kph as fast as a comparable class ICE.Volvo Cars to deploy in-car cameras and intervention against intoxication and distraction
https://www.media.volvocars.com/uk/en-gb/media/pre...
"Apart from speeding, which the company aims to help combat with a top speed limit, intoxication and distraction are two other primary areas of concern for traffic safety. Together, these three areas constitute the main ‘gaps’ towards Volvo Cars’ vision of a future with zero traffic fatalities, and require a focus on human behaviour in the company’s safety work as well.
For example, figures by NHTSA show that in the United States, almost 30 per cent of all traffic fatalities in vehicles in 2017 involved intoxicated drivers.
Volvo Cars believes intoxication and distraction should be addressed by installing in-car cameras and other sensors that monitor the driver and allow the car to intervene if a clearly intoxicated or distracted driver does not respond to warning signals and is risking an accident involving serious injury or death.
That intervention could involve limiting the car’s speed, alerting the Volvo On Call assistance service and, as a final course of action, actively slowing down and safely parking the car."
https://www.media.volvocars.com/uk/en-gb/media/pre...
"Apart from speeding, which the company aims to help combat with a top speed limit, intoxication and distraction are two other primary areas of concern for traffic safety. Together, these three areas constitute the main ‘gaps’ towards Volvo Cars’ vision of a future with zero traffic fatalities, and require a focus on human behaviour in the company’s safety work as well.
For example, figures by NHTSA show that in the United States, almost 30 per cent of all traffic fatalities in vehicles in 2017 involved intoxicated drivers.
Volvo Cars believes intoxication and distraction should be addressed by installing in-car cameras and other sensors that monitor the driver and allow the car to intervene if a clearly intoxicated or distracted driver does not respond to warning signals and is risking an accident involving serious injury or death.
That intervention could involve limiting the car’s speed, alerting the Volvo On Call assistance service and, as a final course of action, actively slowing down and safely parking the car."
This is bizarre. The term "excess speed" doesn't refer to an absolute speed, it refers to a situation: for example 30mph past a school at 8:50am, 80mph on a wet B road with blind bends, or 160mph on an empty dry autobahn. The subset of situations where the definition of "excess speed" is 112mph+ is surely fairly small? Volvo won't prevent the vast majority of accidents, where "excess speed" is defined as substantially less than 112mph.
I've not managd to catch up with the whole thread yet so apologies if I'm repeating old data, but I have interacted with Volvo/Polestar social media reps over this exact issue on Facebook and they have confirmed that all the Polestar branded Volvos will not be subject to the same limitations.
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