RE: 340hp Volkswagen Touareg tops UK range
Discussion
Wills2 said:
it just suits the application, I wouldn't want a diesel in a sporty car but in these big heavy SUVs a big diesel is good news.
That is so true. I had the X5 pool car for a few months for long trips and the 3.0d was just brilliant and very refined, thanks to the quality of the NVH, you couldn't hear it so no detriment there. The other big advantage was the better range. I cant see the petrol making sense unless you have a petrol tanker to tow around behind it.
My Amarok 3.0 V6 does about 34-35mpg on a long journey and it has all the aerodynamics of a tower block. A diesel Towrag should be a lot better. The reality of shovelling about £90 of fuel every week or so into the Amarok does wear me down but then we claim the 20% VAT back and I can put all the fuel through the business (saving me a huge heap of income tax). I can see running a petrol version being an extremely expensive past time when it is coming out of your own pocket...
As an aside, these are as cheap as chips on business contract hire compared to a Q7 - just over £410 a month + VAT with 3 payments up front for the base diesel SEL. You can then buy it of BCA at a knock down price at the end of the contract. None of this PCP nonsense... The base Q7 by comparison is £585+VAT for the same engine and i suspect has less kit
My Amarok 3.0 V6 does about 34-35mpg on a long journey and it has all the aerodynamics of a tower block. A diesel Towrag should be a lot better. The reality of shovelling about £90 of fuel every week or so into the Amarok does wear me down but then we claim the 20% VAT back and I can put all the fuel through the business (saving me a huge heap of income tax). I can see running a petrol version being an extremely expensive past time when it is coming out of your own pocket...
As an aside, these are as cheap as chips on business contract hire compared to a Q7 - just over £410 a month + VAT with 3 payments up front for the base diesel SEL. You can then buy it of BCA at a knock down price at the end of the contract. None of this PCP nonsense... The base Q7 by comparison is £585+VAT for the same engine and i suspect has less kit
nickfrog said:
That is so true. I had the X5 pool car for a few months for long trips and the 3.0d was just brilliant and very refined, thanks to the quality of the NVH, you couldn't hear it so no detriment there. The other big advantage was the better range.
I borrowed an X6 40d. Brilliant and refined wouldn’t be my choice of adjectives for the car. I was shocked, given the press reviews, at just how unrefined it was. Went well though.Genuine question to you and all the pro diesel posters in here - do you listen to music, radio or pod casts when driving. If you do that may drown out the noise. I do not listen to music/radio at all and this could explain why I hear things that clearly others aren’t.
nickfrog said:
You probably need to stop the binary thinking and the judging of others by your own polarised standards.
Said the pot to the kettle.I won’t change my views as they’re based on experience just to validate your own thoughts that happen to be different to mine.
Interesting you’ve cropped the rest of my post out in your reply, avoided answering a question and gone for a personal dig instead.
How sad.
Edited by st4 on Friday 8th March 08:08
They’ll probably sell about 10 of these - it needs to be diesel in a car like this for the low down torque / better mpg / better range.
I’ve driven a BMW F30 335d quite a bit (same / similar engine to the 40d as being discussed?) and found it to be a superb engine - refined, muscular, efficient. It sounded pretty good to these ears, for a diesel.
I’ve driven a BMW F30 335d quite a bit (same / similar engine to the 40d as being discussed?) and found it to be a superb engine - refined, muscular, efficient. It sounded pretty good to these ears, for a diesel.
Helicopter123 said:
Not sure much of a market for a large petrol-engined Touareg in the UK?
Presume these are bought by people without the budget for a Q7 or Cayenne so would seem odd that they then go for an expensive version to run.
At least the V8 Diesel would have a USP.
The Touareg isn't a budget version of the Q7 or Cayenne its a much more tasteful standalone product. Presume these are bought by people without the budget for a Q7 or Cayenne so would seem odd that they then go for an expensive version to run.
At least the V8 Diesel would have a USP.
VW look like they are trying to emulate diesel like torque with petrol now. If they did this a couple of year ago I would of been sceptical because the 3.0tdi is a sweet engine suited to large 4x4. But with the price petrol much less than diesel it may now be viable now.
It's really impressive indeed, and I am not a diesel fan.I had a 2015 Touareg R Line, the 6 pot diesel was superb, torquey, quiet and reasonably economical.
The new model lease deals have tumbled since I last looked near the end of 2018, I'd happily go for another, with a diesel engine.
I can't see them selling too many petrol's, but it's a Halo model and VW want to make a statement I suppose.
The new model lease deals have tumbled since I last looked near the end of 2018, I'd happily go for another, with a diesel engine.
I can't see them selling too many petrol's, but it's a Halo model and VW want to make a statement I suppose.
Coin Slot. said:
I had a 2015 Touareg R Line, the 6 pot diesel was superb, torquey, quiet and reasonably economical.
The new model lease deals have tumbled since I last looked near the end of 2018, I'd happily go for another, with a diesel engine.
I can't see them selling too many petrol's, but it's a Halo model and VW want to make a statement I suppose.
I've got one of them at the moment. Engine and Gearbox seem really well suited to each other. I get about 30mpg average rom it, which seems reasonable.The new model lease deals have tumbled since I last looked near the end of 2018, I'd happily go for another, with a diesel engine.
I can't see them selling too many petrol's, but it's a Halo model and VW want to make a statement I suppose.
Not sure what a petrol v6 would add, other than less torque, a bigger fuel bill and maybe a better application for shorter journeys, which is all I seem to do in mine these days.
The Voice said:
They’ll probably sell about 10 of these - it needs to be diesel in a car like this for the low down torque / better mpg / better range.
I’ve driven a BMW F30 335d quite a bit (same / similar engine to the 40d as being discussed?) and found it to be a superb engine - refined, muscular, efficient. It sounded pretty good to these ears, for a diesel.
Same engine - I really didn't rate it for noise/refinement. No qualms with the power/torque or economy but there was no joy to driving with it. I’ve driven a BMW F30 335d quite a bit (same / similar engine to the 40d as being discussed?) and found it to be a superb engine - refined, muscular, efficient. It sounded pretty good to these ears, for a diesel.
Given how quickly the tide is turning against diesel cars and the predicted free fall depreciation of them I think they'll sell a few of these. I reckon though the one to fit is the 2.5 5 pot turbo from the TTRS and an entry level 2.0 engine from the golf R
Tom_Spotley_When said:
I've got one of them at the moment. Engine and Gearbox seem really well suited to each other. I get about 30mpg average rom it, which seems reasonable.
Not sure what a petrol v6 would add, other than less torque, a bigger fuel bill and maybe a better application for shorter journeys, which is all I seem to do in mine these days.
More refinement, 27mpg probably, more power and a nicer sound and as you say, more suitable for short journeys. This is a forced induction 3.0 so it will have bags of low down torque. Not sure what a petrol v6 would add, other than less torque, a bigger fuel bill and maybe a better application for shorter journeys, which is all I seem to do in mine these days.
st4 said:
Tom_Spotley_When said:
I've got one of them at the moment. Engine and Gearbox seem really well suited to each other. I get about 30mpg average rom it, which seems reasonable.
Not sure what a petrol v6 would add, other than less torque, a bigger fuel bill and maybe a better application for shorter journeys, which is all I seem to do in mine these days.
More refinement, 27mpg probably, more power and a nicer sound and as you say, more suitable for short journeys. This is a forced induction 3.0 so it will have bags of low down torque. Not sure what a petrol v6 would add, other than less torque, a bigger fuel bill and maybe a better application for shorter journeys, which is all I seem to do in mine these days.
Mechanically, I can see the point, but my car had done 9,000 miles in 2 years in the hands of the previous owner, so it's probably a problem for the next owner.
st4 said:
Listen fool, I’ve had plenty diesels and they don’t suit a luxury car. The lack of refinement, narrow power band and coarse engine note make for a dull, unrefined driving experience.
All of these are things that a good chunk of Touareg buyers won't actually care about. But if the V8 diesel isn't coming here, then I don't see them selling many of the range topping petrols, but will still shift plenty of the diesels.
But I think that is probably true of nearly all cars on the market - very few people choose the top model, so its always going to be "nice" to see one on the road, if that kind of thing catches your eye. Like seeing a BMW 550i, as opposed to an M5
Shakermaker said:
All of these are things that a good chunk of Touareg buyers won't actually care about.
But if the V8 diesel isn't coming here, then I don't see them selling many of the range topping petrols, but will still shift plenty of the diesels.
But I think that is probably true of nearly all cars on the market - very few people choose the top model, so its always going to be "nice" to see one on the road, if that kind of thing catches your eye. Like seeing a BMW 550i, as opposed to an M5
They'll care when their car's are banned from entering certain areas and town centres. Diesel really is persona non gratae and anyone ordering a new one is a complete fool for this reason. But if the V8 diesel isn't coming here, then I don't see them selling many of the range topping petrols, but will still shift plenty of the diesels.
But I think that is probably true of nearly all cars on the market - very few people choose the top model, so its always going to be "nice" to see one on the road, if that kind of thing catches your eye. Like seeing a BMW 550i, as opposed to an M5
anonymous said:
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To be honest, the current Sat Nav is rubbish (MY17)and I'd never pay for it as an option. It never 'knows' the best route e.g. it will propose a route right through central London rather than a longer but quicker route around the M25 (it's not user error). Nor does it understand the concept of traffic and delayed ETA. I use Google Maps and want it interfaced with the car interface. If it won't I wouldn't buy the car. I believe the Touareg is the only VAG car without CarPlay. I have asked VW UK to confirm. If true, a terrible oversight.You're Surrey aren't you? We have quite a few single track lanes which are unsuitable even for very small cars. They are a magnate for VAG SatNav! There should be a function 'avoid this road in future'. Nope.
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