RE: Porsche 911 (992) Carrera S Cabriolet: Driven

RE: Porsche 911 (992) Carrera S Cabriolet: Driven

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st4

1,359 posts

132 months

Tuesday 12th March 2019
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Ares said:
Like it or not, £100k cars are no longer the domain of the rich. Hence why Porsche sales are not falling.
It’s not a poor persons car either. Given it’s likely to be a second, or more than likely third car (no-one will have on of these as their sole car) it’s safe to assume it’s going to be a very affluent person who has it.

I like the colour and the article misses one bit - the “drivers” 911’s tend to be badged “GT3” or “GT2”. The Carrera is the least hardcore model and given how Porsche releases more hardcore models through a models lifespan I’m sure 992 fans have things to look forward too.

It wouldn’t be my choice of £100k car (I’d buy an atom and a used GSF/RCF) with that outlay.

Dale487

1,334 posts

122 months

Tuesday 12th March 2019
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Wills2 said:
Dale487 said:
They'll sell a bucket load of Macans, Cayennes & Panameras then there's the Taycans.

I did the man maths - a £50K Macan loses £10k over 3 year/60kmiles, as does a £25K Ateca. How would you rather lose £10K?
Not really a 60,000 mile 3 year old Macan that listed at 50k would be worth less than 30k at trade.

Here's an example 58,000 miles, retail would have been around 53k with that spec back in 2016 on sale for 36k the dealer will have given 30k max so a loss of 23k not 10k.

https://finder.porsche.com/gb/en_GB/Macan-S-Diesel...

My 911 lost £38k in 3 years and 55k miles....don't let man maths fool you.

I didn't - a bought a nearly new Leon ST, as I couldn't get an Ateca soon enough (9 month wait list) & wasn't brave enough to buy the Macan (my man maths was done a Petol, so I don't know if that would have helped).





GranCab

2,902 posts

145 months

Tuesday 12th March 2019
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I see st4 managed to shoehorn his manlove of Lexus into this thread as well .... smile

Ares

11,000 posts

119 months

Tuesday 12th March 2019
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st4 said:
Ares said:
Like it or not, £100k cars are no longer the domain of the rich. Hence why Porsche sales are not falling.
It’s not a poor persons car either. Given it’s likely to be a second, or more than likely third car (no-one will have on of these as their sole car) it’s safe to assume it’s going to be a very affluent person who has it.

I like the colour and the article misses one bit - the “drivers” 911’s tend to be badged “GT3” or “GT2”. The Carrera is the least hardcore model and given how Porsche releases more hardcore models through a models lifespan I’m sure 992 fans have things to look forward too.

It wouldn’t be my choice of £100k car (I’d buy an atom and a used GSF/RCF) with that outlay.
They are so not. The majority of owners I know this is their prime car (sitting alongside a spouse's SUV typically). And of all the owners I know, only one is what I would call affluent, and his is a GT3 RS.


All the S and 4S owners I know are just hardworking, professional, middle class. The point is, take a look around, the number of £100k cars is at an all time high. Most are not owned by the rich. The rich are in £200-400k cars, and numerous of them.

st4

1,359 posts

132 months

Tuesday 12th March 2019
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GranCab said:
I see st4 managed to shoehorn his manlove of Lexus into this thread as well .... smile
Well, I do think Lexus are the best of all.

One might even want to wait until Lexus make the LC500 convertible. Think of the v8 noise. More of a GT than this and probably less storage space but what a spendid splendid car.


Ares

11,000 posts

119 months

Tuesday 12th March 2019
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GranCab said:
I see st4 managed to shoehorn his manlove of Lexus into this thread as well .... smile

Baldchap

7,507 posts

91 months

Tuesday 12th March 2019
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I just configured a GTS cabriolet online and it came out at £135k. Lovely motor, mind.

Might have to shoot the dog and get making the missus a few brews... laugh

Water Fairy

5,478 posts

154 months

Tuesday 12th March 2019
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Back in the real world if you can afford 100k on a car then you are affluent. Perhaps not rich, technically but very comfortable. Most people I know wouldn't spend more than 10k on a car and many of them are hardworking professionals. The things is it's not simply the 100k, it's being in a position to stomach the depreciation, still be able to buy the missus her SUV and have a nice house park it next to.

Ares

11,000 posts

119 months

Tuesday 12th March 2019
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Water Fairy said:
Back in the real world if you can afford 100k on a car then you are affluent. Perhaps not rich, technically but very comfortable. Most people I know wouldn't spend more than 10k on a car and many of them are hardworking professionals. The things is it's not simply the 100k, it's being in a position to stomach the depreciation, still be able to buy the missus her SUV and have a nice house park it next to.
I don't think I know any professionals that drive cars costing under £10k? There aren't many cars available that cost under £10k? Even our cleaner runs around in a £15k Focus.

The average purchase price of a new car in 2018 was just over £35,000.

Zoon

6,654 posts

120 months

Tuesday 12th March 2019
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Tim bo said:
I do think the yellow looks v good, but not sure I could bring myself to own one. I test drove a 718 Boxster S in the same Racing Yellow with black roof before buying a Cayman S. In Sapphire Blue, I might add.
The yellow did garner more attention - good and bad - on that one test drive than I think I ever got in 12 months of ownership of the Sapphire blue Cayman. Almost every person I drove past either pointed and laughed, pointed and stared, pointed and gave a thumbs up, or just pointed.

I think the 992 looks incredible, and I might just have to go for it in a year or two in coupé form, but in something other than yellow.

Something more like this perhaps ...

Why has it got Audi S3 wheels on?

st4

1,359 posts

132 months

Tuesday 12th March 2019
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Ares said:
I don't think I know any professionals that drive cars costing under £10k? There aren't many cars available that cost under £10k? Even our cleaner runs around in a £15k Focus.

The average purchase price of a new car in 2018 was just over £35,000.
You have a cleaner. You’re rich. You pay them well, or they do well to spend £15k on a car. Unless it’s on tick, motability, or it’s second hand and not bought new.

I suspect that average is greatly skewed/flawed due to the following

A) a few very high ends and “premium” cars being ordered new.
B) in case of point A they’re bought on tick in the vast majority of cases.
C) the average UK salary is less than the average new car price. Refer to point B also. A sensible amount for a car is about 6 months net income.
D) the top 5 selling cars in UK don’t sell at £35k and usually a lot less. A new car is usually an affluent persons purchase. The masses buy used or pre reg.
E) I might be wrong but the average age of the cars on our roads is over 6yrs. Most people buy cars (actually buy not hire car pilot) that aren’t new.

anonymous-user

53 months

Tuesday 12th March 2019
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Ares said:
GranCab said:
I see st4 managed to shoehorn his manlove of Lexus into this thread as well .... smile
Oh no not that bore Steve Coogan.

st4

1,359 posts

132 months

Tuesday 12th March 2019
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Ares said:
They are so not. The majority of owners I know this is their prime car (sitting alongside a spouse's SUV typically). And of all the owners I know, only one is what I would call affluent, and his is a GT3 RS.


All the S and 4S owners I know are just hardworking, professional, middle class. The point is, take a look around, the number of £100k cars is at an all time high. Most are not owned by the rich. The rich are in £200-400k cars, and numerous of them.
So not the only car in the household. Having more than one car is affluence and wealth (or very high income earning anyway). A professional white collar job is affluence, working for virgin media installing cable TV is less so. Professional people (by that I mean lawyers, dentists, etc) make up a fraction of the population.

Do you live in the south of England by any chance?

anonymous-user

53 months

Tuesday 12th March 2019
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Ares said:
And of all the owners I know, only one is what I would call affluent, and his is a GT3 RS.
My brother had one of them a 996 version, drove it a few times, bit of a faff getting in the passenger seat stradling the fire extinguisher, not my cup of tea but are very popular with Porsche fans.

WJNB

2,637 posts

160 months

Tuesday 12th March 2019
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Agree that high fat backside spoils the look making the Boxster much much more elegant.
Suspect that it will be purchased by those eager to emphasise they can afford it.

anonymous-user

53 months

Tuesday 12th March 2019
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WJNB said:
Agree that high fat backside spoils the look making the Boxster much much more elegant.
Suspect that it will be purchased by those eager to emphasise they can afford it.
For looks I like them early Boxsters that go quite cheap now, in a navy blue or red, they don't seem over bloated although I think some variants had engine issues I'm led to believe.

Water Fairy

5,478 posts

154 months

Tuesday 12th March 2019
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Ares said:
Water Fairy said:
Back in the real world if you can afford 100k on a car then you are affluent. Perhaps not rich, technically but very comfortable. Most people I know wouldn't spend more than 10k on a car and many of them are hardworking professionals. The things is it's not simply the 100k, it's being in a position to stomach the depreciation, still be able to buy the missus her SUV and have a nice house park it next to.
I don't think I know any professionals that drive cars costing under £10k? There aren't many cars available that cost under £10k? Even our cleaner runs around in a £15k Focus.

The average purchase price of a new car in 2018 was just over £35,000.
I guess it comes down to the circles one moves in. The term 'professionals' is a broad spectrum with an even broader salary scale I imagine. I was not simply talking about new cars of course. Most people I know wouldn't buy a new car. I am a professional and my partner has here own business.

We felt we were extravagent 18 months ago when we spent £36k on a new bmw. Our other car is a £1500 commuter. Great if you can do it but 100K for a car is fantasy for most IMHO

Ares

11,000 posts

119 months

Tuesday 12th March 2019
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st4 said:
Ares said:
I don't think I know any professionals that drive cars costing under £10k? There aren't many cars available that cost under £10k? Even our cleaner runs around in a £15k Focus.

The average purchase price of a new car in 2018 was just over £35,000.
You have a cleaner. You’re rich. You pay them well, or they do well to spend £15k on a car. Unless it’s on tick, motability, or it’s second hand and not bought new.

I suspect that average is greatly skewed/flawed due to the following

A) a few very high ends and “premium” cars being ordered new.
B) in case of point A they’re bought on tick in the vast majority of cases.
C) the average UK salary is less than the average new car price. Refer to point B also. A sensible amount for a car is about 6 months net income.
D) the top 5 selling cars in UK don’t sell at £35k and usually a lot less. A new car is usually an affluent persons purchase. The masses buy used or pre reg.
E) I might be wrong but the average age of the cars on our roads is over 6yrs. Most people buy cars (actually buy not hire car pilot) that aren’t new.
Don't be ridiculous. Having a cleaner doesn't make you rich!

A) All cars are new?? And average its average, it is far more skewed by 100s (1000s?) of sub £20k cars for every £100k+ car
B) Cars aren't bought 'on tick' - the smarter buyers buys through finance or leases as it's often/usually cheaper and devoid of risk.
C) Says who?
D) see point A - shows how many over £35k cars are sold
E) All cars are bought new otherwise they wouldn't exist.

Your grip on reality is almost as skewed as your love for the 'pleasant' Lexus. laugh

Ares

11,000 posts

119 months

Tuesday 12th March 2019
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st4 said:
Ares said:
They are so not. The majority of owners I know this is their prime car (sitting alongside a spouse's SUV typically). And of all the owners I know, only one is what I would call affluent, and his is a GT3 RS.


All the S and 4S owners I know are just hardworking, professional, middle class. The point is, take a look around, the number of £100k cars is at an all time high. Most are not owned by the rich. The rich are in £200-400k cars, and numerous of them.
So not the only car in the household. Having more than one car is affluence and wealth (or very high income earning anyway). A professional white collar job is affluence, working for virgin media installing cable TV is less so. Professional people (by that I mean lawyers, dentists, etc) make up a fraction of the population.

Do you live in the south of England by any chance?
Do you like in the 1970s? Do you think having 2 cars in a family is the preserve of the wealthy?

And no, I live in the North.

Ares

11,000 posts

119 months

Tuesday 12th March 2019
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Water Fairy said:
.... 100K for a car is fantasy for most IMHO
I don't disagree, but it isn't now solely the preserve of the rich to own/drive a £100k car, £100k is no longer supercar territory. Most full size SUVs come in at £60-80k and quick head up. Baby M/AMG/RS start at £70k and quickly head north of £100k. Large saloons are tipping into £100k without trying. etc etc.

Unless you are a Guardian reader (or a Corbynite), £100k income is no longer 'rich' - over 1.7m people earn over £100,000, and 30% of working households have a household income of over £100,000

£100k cars are no longer exotica. 10-15yrs ago, it was the preserve of the rich. Aston Martins, Bentleys, Top end Porsches, Ferraris etc etc

What was seen as being the 'rich' benchmark now starts at £200k.

Times have moved on.