RE: Renault Clio Williams: Spotted
Discussion
woots787 said:
For me homologation was more special than windscreen thickness!
According to Wiki:"The vast majority of cars were produced in D43 Mondial Blue (metallic) with a limited run of around 90 cars being produced in 640 Iceberg Silver (metallic). The Cup, originally built for Gr.N homologation of the Clio 172 …"
is1 said:
According to Wiki:
"The vast majority of cars were produced in D43 Mondial Blue (metallic) with a limited run of around 90 cars being produced in 640 Iceberg Silver (metallic). The Cup, originally built for Gr.N homologation of the Clio 172 …"
Ha! Fair enough I lose that one, it was over 17 years ago when I looked at one in a dealer! I'm going with some weak argument about clio maxis looking better."The vast majority of cars were produced in D43 Mondial Blue (metallic) with a limited run of around 90 cars being produced in 640 Iceberg Silver (metallic). The Cup, originally built for Gr.N homologation of the Clio 172 …"
DSC OFF said:
Personally I wouldn't say its more special but as the trophy keeps climbing into wiliams territory I think the 172 cup will follow in its wake. Grab one now while you can
Agree with this, the 172 Cup is the next big money Clio. They'll always be behind the Williams and the 182 Trophy but they're going to go up in value.I'm waiting to kick myself about 182 Cup values eventually seeing as I've recently scrapped one and pulled the interior out of another.
I have a spare engine and I've always fancied a mk1 Clio with one, maybe something to do in the future.
Robmarriott said:
Agree with this, the 172 Cup is the next big money Clio. They'll always be behind the Williams and the 182 Trophy but they're going to go up in value.
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That would be nice - I just spent £3500 bringing one back from the dead..
Not too bothered if it doesn’t rise in value as I just love driving it.
I had one back in 2001. Every drive is a trip down memory lane.
Cracking little cars.
Adore these. The proportions are just spot-on. Such a great looking car. Subtle but very purposeful. It's a lot of money to these eyes, but it's worth what someone is willing to pay for it I guess.
It won't go down in history in the same iconic way, but at least the dampers are easier to sort out.
wab172uk said:
You are kidding right?
A 172 cup is more special than a Trophy?
A 172 cup is more special than a Williams?
Al the 172 cup was, was a 172 without a few toys and lacked ABS. Hardly as special as a Trophy or a Williams.
The Cup is every bit as special in my eyes. Homologation special for the Group N rally car, thinner glass, bespoke wheels, tweaked suspension etc etc. It's effectively the STI Type-RA of the Clio world. The way prices are going up is starting to reflect that now. Should have kept hold of mine.A 172 cup is more special than a Trophy?
A 172 cup is more special than a Williams?
Al the 172 cup was, was a 172 without a few toys and lacked ABS. Hardly as special as a Trophy or a Williams.
It won't go down in history in the same iconic way, but at least the dampers are easier to sort out.
selym said:
I loved my Clio 16v in the 90s. It handled really well, as someone said before it was so well behaved. It also felt a lot quicker than it was! ...
Yep I had one as well (16v). A lovely drive, no mental moments that I recall (as opposed to the 205 GTis that preceded it). It could shift when you wanted it to. It was seriously high maintenance though, I had a duff engine management ECU (that interestingly also caused an idling issue similar to the earlier post), then a new fuel pump followed by a variety of annoying issues- knowing a local guy who ran a car in the Clio UK Cup was a real result, he tended to know the problems and the shortcuts needed to fix them!I really aspired to a Williams, looked at and drove a couple. One quite memorably was practically on slicks at the front and happily spun its front wheels in most gears on a damp road. They did feel a bit sharper, just a bit more ‘sorted’ than a 16v. I was still on the lookout for a good one when I suddenly became aware that Imprezas were a huge performance step up for not much more money....
British Beef said:
sdiggle said:
112k...No thank you. I had many friends scrapping Clio's with that mileage on back in the day. Engine expired!
For that price and with that mileage I would hope the engine has had a full rebuild in the past 20k miles!Jon_S_Rally said:
Adore these. The proportions are just spot-on. Such a great looking car. Subtle but very purposeful. It's a lot of money to these eyes, but it's worth what someone is willing to pay for it I guess.
It won't go down in history in the same iconic way, but at least the dampers are easier to sort out.
Not to mention cheap as chips to replace, with the OEM being very good for road use. They are brilliant cars. wab172uk said:
You are kidding right?
A 172 cup is more special than a Trophy?
A 172 cup is more special than a Williams?
Al the 172 cup was, was a 172 without a few toys and lacked ABS. Hardly as special as a Trophy or a Williams.
The Cup is every bit as special in my eyes. Homologation special for the Group N rally car, thinner glass, bespoke wheels, tweaked suspension etc etc. It's effectively the STI Type-RA of the Clio world. The way prices are going up is starting to reflect that now. Should have kept hold of mine.A 172 cup is more special than a Trophy?
A 172 cup is more special than a Williams?
Al the 172 cup was, was a 172 without a few toys and lacked ABS. Hardly as special as a Trophy or a Williams.
It won't go down in history in the same iconic way, but at least the dampers are easier to sort out.
I love the clio williams also but the price for this one does look a tad on the optimistic side but then again, it wouldn't surprise me if it sells for full asking.
darren f said:
Yep I had one as well (16v). A lovely drive, no mental moments that I recall (as opposed to the 205 GTis that preceded it). It could shift when you wanted it to. It was seriously high maintenance though, I had a duff engine management ECU (that interestingly also caused an idling issue similar to the earlier post), then a new fuel pump followed by a variety of annoying issues- knowing a local guy who ran a car in the Clio UK Cup was a real result, he tended to know the problems and the shortcuts needed to fix them!
I really aspired to a Williams, looked at and drove a couple. One quite memorably was practically on slicks at the front and happily spun its front wheels in most gears on a damp road. They did feel a bit sharper, just a bit more ‘sorted’ than a 16v. I was still on the lookout for a good one when I suddenly became aware that Imprezas were a huge performance step up for not much more money....
One of my friends went from a 1.9 205 to an L reg Williams. We were all very keen to see it and see how it went - I still had my 309Gti and was a bit underwhelmed by the Williams, maybe because of all the hype in the press at the time and maybe partly because the 309 was a fairly high bar to compare against.I really aspired to a Williams, looked at and drove a couple. One quite memorably was practically on slicks at the front and happily spun its front wheels in most gears on a damp road. They did feel a bit sharper, just a bit more ‘sorted’ than a 16v. I was still on the lookout for a good one when I suddenly became aware that Imprezas were a huge performance step up for not much more money....
He did have quite a few niggles and leaks with it but it looked great when sparkling clean. Having driven the 306GTI-6 as well with the same performance a few years later, I think I'd be inclined to save a bit of cash and get a really nice one of those for a lot less.
The Williams and the 16v were pretty similar. A funny story is that I had decided mine was going to be a beast.
So when mum and dad were on holiday, I sent the clio to the local motorsport place. Kent rally cams, a ported head and some verniers...
...trouble was, it took longer than expected, so I only got it back the day they got back home and there had been no time to get it mapped. I rocked up at home (bearing in mind it had a 3 inch exhaust with significantly less boxes than Renault had specified) with the thing literally backfiring and spitting flames as I tried to get up the drive without Dad noticing.
He noticed.
I got absolutely b
ked. (Rightly) Dad marched the car back to the motorsport place the day after with strict instructions to put it back to how it was!!!
I sold the cams to a mate who was a bit older and they dialled it in and made 175hp until one of the cams snapped in half. Oops.
My car was actually featured in June 1994 “fast car” if anyone has a copy hahaha. Considerably younger than now.....
So when mum and dad were on holiday, I sent the clio to the local motorsport place. Kent rally cams, a ported head and some verniers...
...trouble was, it took longer than expected, so I only got it back the day they got back home and there had been no time to get it mapped. I rocked up at home (bearing in mind it had a 3 inch exhaust with significantly less boxes than Renault had specified) with the thing literally backfiring and spitting flames as I tried to get up the drive without Dad noticing.
He noticed.
I got absolutely b
ked. (Rightly) Dad marched the car back to the motorsport place the day after with strict instructions to put it back to how it was!!!I sold the cams to a mate who was a bit older and they dialled it in and made 175hp until one of the cams snapped in half. Oops.
My car was actually featured in June 1994 “fast car” if anyone has a copy hahaha. Considerably younger than now.....
I can't comment on the 172's driving but they weren't any faster than the Williams. I do remember Evo compared the two and preferred the Williams.
Driving the Williams is an event. From the time you walk up and drink in it's proportions, inside It feels special from the moment you get in.
The Seats are the most comfy and supportive seats I've sat in and the blue cloth with the W symbol. The seating position is a little upright and if your quite tall your a bit close to the steering wheel and your knees a bit close. The steering wheel is a peach and the retro 90's interior although feels cheap is still strong and long lasting. It feels a special place to be.
When you turn the engine on you u get a throaty roar. Blip the throttle and you already feel the eagerness of the engine. Press the heavy clutch and pull away and the strong low down torque pulls you along quickly without trying. Add some revs and it feels more than it's 150bhp.
Take Your first corner in it and the steering comes alive and you're hunting the apex understeer free. It's know under your skin, the lil clio is goading you on know to go faster with the revy but torquey engine, understeer free handling and a the chassis allowing you to play. The shocks and springs will absorb the nastiest of undulations and Chambers and is never phased by any road its faced with.
Oversteer would come into play, but only to complement the front end and was never uncontrollable at the limit. In fact it was a joy to drive at the limit and never felt like you would go over the limit.
I drove mine everywhere, although it could get tiring on a long journey, and I found it to be pretty reliable.
The engine if treated right was bullet proof.
You just got to find right one. Mileage shouldn't be the deciding factor. Nor should you be hung up on the Williams 1,2,3. Buy the best maintained example and watch out for the dreaded brown crumbly stuff.
Driving the Williams is an event. From the time you walk up and drink in it's proportions, inside It feels special from the moment you get in.
The Seats are the most comfy and supportive seats I've sat in and the blue cloth with the W symbol. The seating position is a little upright and if your quite tall your a bit close to the steering wheel and your knees a bit close. The steering wheel is a peach and the retro 90's interior although feels cheap is still strong and long lasting. It feels a special place to be.
When you turn the engine on you u get a throaty roar. Blip the throttle and you already feel the eagerness of the engine. Press the heavy clutch and pull away and the strong low down torque pulls you along quickly without trying. Add some revs and it feels more than it's 150bhp.
Take Your first corner in it and the steering comes alive and you're hunting the apex understeer free. It's know under your skin, the lil clio is goading you on know to go faster with the revy but torquey engine, understeer free handling and a the chassis allowing you to play. The shocks and springs will absorb the nastiest of undulations and Chambers and is never phased by any road its faced with.
Oversteer would come into play, but only to complement the front end and was never uncontrollable at the limit. In fact it was a joy to drive at the limit and never felt like you would go over the limit.
I drove mine everywhere, although it could get tiring on a long journey, and I found it to be pretty reliable.
The engine if treated right was bullet proof.
You just got to find right one. Mileage shouldn't be the deciding factor. Nor should you be hung up on the Williams 1,2,3. Buy the best maintained example and watch out for the dreaded brown crumbly stuff.
Edited by M4CK 1 on Friday 15th March 00:14
I've got a Williams 1 and a 205 1.9 Gti. Both great cars but if I'm honest, personally, I prefer the Williams. I'm sure some will disagree but like most things, it's down to personal preference.
Feels like a proper pocket rocket to me even today, must have felt warp factor back in it's day.
Feels like a proper pocket rocket to me even today, must have felt warp factor back in it's day.
M4CK 1 said:
I can't comment on the 172's driving but they weren't any faster than the Williams. I do remember Evo compared the two and preferred the Williams.
Driving the Williams is an event. From the time you walk up and drink in it's proportions, inside It feels special from the moment you get in.
The Seats are the most comfy and supportive seats I've sat in and the blue cloth with the W symbol. The seating position is a little upright and if your quite tall your a bit close to the steering wheel and your knees a bit close. The steering wheel is a peach and the retro 90's interior although feels cheap is still strong and long lasting. It feels a special place to be.
When you turn the engine on you u get a throaty roar. Blip the throttle and you already feel the eagerness of the engine. Press the heavy clutch and pull away and the strong low down torque pulls you along quickly without trying. Add some revs and it feels more than it's 150bhp.
Take Your first corner in it and the steering comes alive and you're hunting the apex understeer free. It's know under your skin, the lil clio is goading you on know to go faster with the revy but torquey engine, understeer free handling and a the chassis allowing you to play. The shocks and springs will absorb the nastiest of undulations and Chambers and is never phased by any road its faced with.
Oversteer would come into play, but only to complement the front end and was never uncontrollable at the limit. In fact it was a joy to drive at the limit and never felt like you would go over the limit.
I drove mine everywhere, although it could get tiring on a long journey, and I found it to be pretty reliable.
The engine if treated right was bullet proof.
You just got to find right one. Mileage shouldn't be the deciding factor. Nor should you be hung up on the Williams 1,2,3. Buy the best maintained example and watch out for the dreaded brown crumbly stuff.
All at once, the slithery rear end stepped out of line, uninvited. I simply caught it with a dab of oppo and was away.Driving the Williams is an event. From the time you walk up and drink in it's proportions, inside It feels special from the moment you get in.
The Seats are the most comfy and supportive seats I've sat in and the blue cloth with the W symbol. The seating position is a little upright and if your quite tall your a bit close to the steering wheel and your knees a bit close. The steering wheel is a peach and the retro 90's interior although feels cheap is still strong and long lasting. It feels a special place to be.
When you turn the engine on you u get a throaty roar. Blip the throttle and you already feel the eagerness of the engine. Press the heavy clutch and pull away and the strong low down torque pulls you along quickly without trying. Add some revs and it feels more than it's 150bhp.
Take Your first corner in it and the steering comes alive and you're hunting the apex understeer free. It's know under your skin, the lil clio is goading you on know to go faster with the revy but torquey engine, understeer free handling and a the chassis allowing you to play. The shocks and springs will absorb the nastiest of undulations and Chambers and is never phased by any road its faced with.
Oversteer would come into play, but only to complement the front end and was never uncontrollable at the limit. In fact it was a joy to drive at the limit and never felt like you would go over the limit.
I drove mine everywhere, although it could get tiring on a long journey, and I found it to be pretty reliable.
The engine if treated right was bullet proof.
You just got to find right one. Mileage shouldn't be the deciding factor. Nor should you be hung up on the Williams 1,2,3. Buy the best maintained example and watch out for the dreaded brown crumbly stuff.
Edited by M4CK 1 on Friday 15th March 00:14
The Clio Williams is a b
h. And I spanked it.Edited by Turbobanana on Friday 15th March 10:21
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