RE: BMW 320d: Driven
Discussion
nickfrog said:
Slippydiff said:
Greg the Fish said:
Do you really think that most of the sheep that will lease these really give a damn?
Pretty much my thoughts. 1 out of every 1000 may give a damn, the rest will luxuriate in the badge on the bonnet and little else.Clivey said:
How much of that is standard, though?
My wife currently has a 2018 320d for commuting, thanks to a stupidly cheap PCP deal (over £10k discount on the RRP) that means it cost less than a mid-spec diesel Focus. There's no way we'd pay anything like the RRP (£35k+) on a 2.0-litre 4-pot.
The M Sport xDrive model I was driving had a OTR price of £45k including around £5k of options fitted to the dealer demonstrator - however, discounts of 8-10% are readily available on launch cars so that could be sold for a smidgen over £40k realistically, plus a free upgrade to the Technology Pack for M Sport models registered before the end of March - that's around £1800 list priceMy wife currently has a 2018 320d for commuting, thanks to a stupidly cheap PCP deal (over £10k discount on the RRP) that means it cost less than a mid-spec diesel Focus. There's no way we'd pay anything like the RRP (£35k+) on a 2.0-litre 4-pot.
List price is irrelevant apart from calculating road fund licence - it all comes down to what these cost on lease/PCP deals
Many of the options are bundled in packages, with a few standalone options...that's the way car manufacturers are heading
When we bought our Audi A4 nearly two years ago, the Virtual Cockpit option with the top media system was around £1500 if I recall correctly
phope said:
The M Sport xDrive model I was driving had a OTR price of £45k including around £5k of options fitted to the dealer demonstrator - however, discounts of 8-10% are readily available on launch cars so that could be sold for a smidgen over £40k realistically, plus a free upgrade to the Technology Pack for M Sport models registered before the end of March - that's around £1800 list price
List price is irrelevant apart from calculating road fund licence - it all comes down to what these cost on lease/PCP deals
Many of the options are bundled in packages, with a few standalone options...that's the way car manufacturers are heading
When we bought our Audi A4 nearly two years ago, the Virtual Cockpit option with the top media system was around £1500 if I recall correctly
Just checked; the equivalent-spec new model is about £200 a month more than what we're paying for ours. List price is irrelevant apart from calculating road fund licence - it all comes down to what these cost on lease/PCP deals
Many of the options are bundled in packages, with a few standalone options...that's the way car manufacturers are heading
When we bought our Audi A4 nearly two years ago, the Virtual Cockpit option with the top media system was around £1500 if I recall correctly
Unless that changes I'm oot! At the end of the day, it's a commuting eco-box. They're not worth paying an arm and a leg for. I poked and prodded the new G20 at my local retailer yesterday and in contrast to some of the posters here, I was underwhelmed with the interior of a M Sport 320d. It felt flimsy and the design of the door cards and trim panels was such that you could see a good half inch of Trex-White external paint when you looked across at the passenger door. Not just a G20 issue - same problem with a white used F06 M6 - must be a problem with white cars because haven't noticed it with darker colours.
aaron_2000 said:
strike4A said:
When the M340i is released it will be with xDrive only.
LHD M340i's around the world will be available with RWD as well as xDrive.
Source? LHD M340i's around the world will be available with RWD as well as xDrive.
Expect RRP is £47K and on the basis, £5k options will be required to make it a solid spec with discounts of around the same it's a 47k vehicle on the road. Matrix Laser lights, active cruise, memory seats and some fancy trim, decent sounds. 50k is want real leather thrown it etc. It's a lot of money. I wonder what the real world difference will be on the M3 +£20K?
Edited by Burwood on Thursday 21st March 14:26
aaron_2000 said:
Source?
Clivey said:
I bloody well hope not! - RWD is BMW's trademark and sending power through the front axle kills the feel.
https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/united-kingdom/arti...G80 M3 will have switchable modes.
No thanks, think I will keep my E90 a little longer, none of the new models excite me at all which is a shame as I would like to upgrade one day (maybe a wont), build quality is seriously lacking imo when I checked out the G'series', and its all very gimmicky now with options, bordering on tacky and messy interiors. I dunno know maybe I am getting old 
Being a big BMW fan, what are they doing with the kidney grills!!!??
Being a big BMW fan, what are they doing with the kidney grills!!!??
I followed one of these yesterday in this colour and I thought it looked great and it made me really want one. I really liked the E90 330d and 330i that I had, but I disliked their bland looks but really liked the way they drove. This new one is eye catching for me and I really fancy one.
R400TVR said:
strike4A said:
That dealer not well-informed.
318d and 320d available with manual transmission.
320i - automatic
330i - sports automatic
320d xDrive - sports automatic
330d - sports automatic
There is no such thing as a 'sports automatic'. It's either manual, or Grandma shopping. 318d and 320d available with manual transmission.
320i - automatic
330i - sports automatic
320d xDrive - sports automatic
330d - sports automatic
BMW manuals are (in my experience) nearly always s
t. Their ZF8 however is spectacular.And (albeit not the point you were actually making) there is an auto and sports auto. They are different at least they are in the F30 series.
p1stonhead said:
R400TVR said:
strike4A said:
That dealer not well-informed.
318d and 320d available with manual transmission.
320i - automatic
330i - sports automatic
320d xDrive - sports automatic
330d - sports automatic
There is no such thing as a 'sports automatic'. It's either manual, or Grandma shopping. 318d and 320d available with manual transmission.
320i - automatic
330i - sports automatic
320d xDrive - sports automatic
330d - sports automatic
BMW manuals are (in my experience) nearly always s
t. Their ZF8 however is spectacular.And (albeit not the point you were actually making) there is an auto and sports auto. They are different at least they are in the F30 series.
Appreciate that R400TVR is taking the pee out of autos in general though. I never got on with the manual gearbox in the full fat M cars I've had(E92 M3/Z4M). Yet I thought that the manual gearbox in my 520d was pretty good(although a poor match to the engine-auto is a better match for me).
I really liked the ZF8 auto in my 640d and that was a very decent combo I thought. I wish the new 330i was available with a manual though, because I'd prefer one in that rather than it being auto only.
cerb4.5lee said:
p1stonhead said:
R400TVR said:
strike4A said:
That dealer not well-informed.
318d and 320d available with manual transmission.
320i - automatic
330i - sports automatic
320d xDrive - sports automatic
330d - sports automatic
There is no such thing as a 'sports automatic'. It's either manual, or Grandma shopping. 318d and 320d available with manual transmission.
320i - automatic
330i - sports automatic
320d xDrive - sports automatic
330d - sports automatic
BMW manuals are (in my experience) nearly always s
t. Their ZF8 however is spectacular.And (albeit not the point you were actually making) there is an auto and sports auto. They are different at least they are in the F30 series.
p1stonhead said:
What a load of bowlocks.
BMW manuals are (in my experience) nearly always st. Their ZF8 however is spectacular.
And (albeit not the point you were actually making) there is an auto and sports auto. They are different at least they are in the F30 series.
Their manuals are not the best, but still better than any auto in terms of what was once supposed to be the Ultimate Driving Machine.BMW manuals are (in my experience) nearly always s
t. Their ZF8 however is spectacular.And (albeit not the point you were actually making) there is an auto and sports auto. They are different at least they are in the F30 series.
What is the difference between the two automatics, then? Same gearbox, ratios, etc. Is it just that one has silly paddles and one does not?
R400TVR said:
Their manuals are not the best, but still better than any auto in terms of what was once supposed to be the Ultimate Driving Machine.
What is the difference between the two automatics, then? Same gearbox, ratios, etc. Is it just that one has silly paddles and one does not?
Oh dear, oh dear.What is the difference between the two automatics, then? Same gearbox, ratios, etc. Is it just that one has silly paddles and one does not?
I took a punt on the 320d. It’s sufficient. Not blindingly fast. No slouch either. Having owned a F30 320d in the past... this is everything the F30 should have been. It’s smooth. The cabin is decently sound proofed. It will meet my needs 30-40k miles a year. I prefer the M sport suspension. Adaptive mode is useful. The laser lights are impressive.
It reminds me a bit of a certain Chris Harris video that generated 95 pages of discussion and humour on here. However, I think Petrol Ped’s review was better online. It’s a balanced car. Not a fun weekend car but nice to drive nonetheless. If you’re looking for an easy to live with tool and don’t mind boring then this be a consideration.
My curiosity also got the better of me and I had it dyno’d. Just one dyno. I know these vary a huge deal so are not always accurate. As stock the figures were 200hp and 300 lb/ft (a shade over 400 nm).
The rev counter on the right is strange. I prefer using head up than looking at the dash. Dash layout is nice other than the rev counter.
Lane assist is over zealous so that is turned off. It gave me quite a fright.
The G force menu is interesting but not necessary. The bhp/torque display showed that even in daily driving I very rarely went over 100 hp. Even on free flowing national speed limit B roads. However, I did make full use of the torque a lot of the time.
I watched a 1.0 Hyundai over take a 1.0 Kia which was like life in slow motion... has he done it, will he make it, he’s running out of road.. by jingo he’s done it! Then when I got stuck behind the Hyundai it didn’t take too much planning and overtaking was safe not to mention less time.
Going from an Audi Quattro to a RWD felt like learning how to drive again for the first month but after that I got used to it. It’s about being more careful with throttle input in the wet.
It’s not a bad all rounder for me. For someone else their 3.0 Petrol might be the all rounder for them. I had my hesitations going from a 3.0d Audi but it honestly doesn’t feel like a downgrade. Sure there is no pull and pull at the top end but up to 70-80 mph it does everything I need off a track.
It reminds me a bit of a certain Chris Harris video that generated 95 pages of discussion and humour on here. However, I think Petrol Ped’s review was better online. It’s a balanced car. Not a fun weekend car but nice to drive nonetheless. If you’re looking for an easy to live with tool and don’t mind boring then this be a consideration.
My curiosity also got the better of me and I had it dyno’d. Just one dyno. I know these vary a huge deal so are not always accurate. As stock the figures were 200hp and 300 lb/ft (a shade over 400 nm).
The rev counter on the right is strange. I prefer using head up than looking at the dash. Dash layout is nice other than the rev counter.
Lane assist is over zealous so that is turned off. It gave me quite a fright.
The G force menu is interesting but not necessary. The bhp/torque display showed that even in daily driving I very rarely went over 100 hp. Even on free flowing national speed limit B roads. However, I did make full use of the torque a lot of the time.
I watched a 1.0 Hyundai over take a 1.0 Kia which was like life in slow motion... has he done it, will he make it, he’s running out of road.. by jingo he’s done it! Then when I got stuck behind the Hyundai it didn’t take too much planning and overtaking was safe not to mention less time.
Going from an Audi Quattro to a RWD felt like learning how to drive again for the first month but after that I got used to it. It’s about being more careful with throttle input in the wet.
It’s not a bad all rounder for me. For someone else their 3.0 Petrol might be the all rounder for them. I had my hesitations going from a 3.0d Audi but it honestly doesn’t feel like a downgrade. Sure there is no pull and pull at the top end but up to 70-80 mph it does everything I need off a track.
Edited by Super_G on Saturday 30th January 09:39
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