Best smoker barges 1-5 large [Vol 14]

Best smoker barges 1-5 large [Vol 14]

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XMified

676 posts

71 months

Sunday 24th March 2019
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defblade said:
I've got a horrible feeling we're going to see a firm shift towards diesel very shortly (if, indeed, it's not happening already).
We all know diesel is the devil incarnate... but as the general public never looked beyond mpg figures, the tragically crashing depreciation of low-mpg petrol cars has kept us clever lot in very nice metal for a long time.
But between little but diesels being sold for the last decade or so, and the current demonification of the same, I suspect a lot of us will find ourselves pretty much having to buy a 'orrible clattery engine to continue to find the the space, toys, and luxury we're used to finding behind a big petrol lump.

On the plus side, our smoker barges will be even smokier wink
Perhaps this is our fate- but what will that mean for those of us who live in larger cities with ULEZ tax to pay? The end of these as a daily driver? Similarly, most pre-2005 petrol will be similarly afflicted. I realise quite a few of us don't use these vehicle in this way but some do (I'm amongst them).

It may well have to be, you know how it is when looking at 2000-era barges, about 30 diesels for every petrol. It will also be fun to see how we react to the challenges of keeping one running with all of the engine/ancillary complexities, DPF, injector issues etc. Interesting times ahead.

Salmonofdoubt

1,413 posts

67 months

Sunday 24th March 2019
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W00DY said:
minimoog said:
CharlesdeGaulle said:
I'm getting more interested in campers myself actually.
Same but have you seen the price of the ruddy things? Just doesn't compute to me at all.
The pricing is very different to cars, which makes them look expensive, but depreciation is so much lower.
They're one of the very few vehicles where a new/nearly new purchase can make more sense as an outright cash one.

I'm not sure how much use a camper would get though.

ian316

4,150 posts

104 months

Sunday 24th March 2019
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minimoog said:
CharlesdeGaulle said:
I'm getting more interested in campers myself actually.
Same but have you seen the price of the ruddy things? Just doesn't compute to me at all.
Two of my brothers have them I can't get my head round them, I'd rather spend a fraction of the cost on a drop top gt and stay in a hotel with a proper shower and toilet thanks

XMified

676 posts

71 months

Sunday 24th March 2019
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SimonTheSailor said:
I must admit I can't see the value in the proper campers nor the VW things. I'm after a converted DIY van type job - a lot cheaper !!
VW scene tax is absurd, nor would I wish to take my family in one of those old things, the lack of safety appals me!


There are alternatives outside of the usual suspects. My parents have a Mazda Bongo, and it happens to have a fairly decent V6 petrol installed. I'm sure you could get one within thread budget.


Edited by XMified on Sunday 24th March 10:28

Salmonofdoubt

1,413 posts

67 months

Sunday 24th March 2019
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XMified said:
derin100 said:
Another phenomenon that I've noticed of late is the current plague, not of ladybirds, but of 'Barn Finds'.

That did actually used to mean that and you'd see literally maybe a handful per year being advertised as such. Now it has become synonymous with and attached to every piece of rotten and neglected ste.

Britain actually doesn't contain enough barns for this description to tally up.

New Volume Resolution No.2:

Any c$nt who describes their car in the advert as a "Barn Find" gets an instant back-button ignore from me from now on. They're not worth wasting further reading time .
Agreed- is this, as I suspect, some sort of social media contagion?
Keyword spamming.

minimoog

6,857 posts

218 months

Sunday 24th March 2019
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XMified said:
There are alternatives outside of the usual suspects. My parents have a Mazda Bongo, and it happens to have a fairly decent V6 petrol installed. I'm sure you could get one within thread budget.
I did try and buy a Sherpa identical to this a couple years back but the seller was very weird and it didn't happen. Possibly a blessing smile



derin100

5,214 posts

242 months

Sunday 24th March 2019
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Perhaps Jag saloons are one of the last bastions of what we were previously used to and The Plague hasn't quite reached them in large numbers yet?

I don't myself obviously but it would appear that some opinions are divided about the 3.2L v 4.0L?

Poor photographs, none of the interior, manual and colour possibly not one of my personal favourites but perhaps compensated for by IAM grille badge and DOUBLE National Trust badges!? wink

Bang on mid-budget:


https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Jaguar-XJ6-rare-manual/...






Biglips

1,337 posts

154 months

Sunday 24th March 2019
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XMified said:
Perhaps this is our fate- but what will that mean for those of us who live in larger cities with ULEZ tax to pay? The end of these as a daily driver? Similarly, most pre-2005 petrol will be similarly afflicted. I realise quite a few of us don't use these vehicle in this way but some do (I'm amongst them).

It may well have to be, you know how it is when looking at 2000-era barges, about 30 diesels for every petrol. It will also be fun to see how we react to the challenges of keeping one running with all of the engine/ancillary complexities, DPF, injector issues etc. Interesting times ahead.
I think the solution will be the opposite. Stick with large petrol engines but go for even older barges. They will be ULEZ exempt through their age when they reach 40years.

XMified

676 posts

71 months

Sunday 24th March 2019
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Biglips said:
XMified said:
Perhaps this is our fate- but what will that mean for those of us who live in larger cities with ULEZ tax to pay? The end of these as a daily driver? Similarly, most pre-2005 petrol will be similarly afflicted. I realise quite a few of us don't use these vehicle in this way but some do (I'm amongst them).

It may well have to be, you know how it is when looking at 2000-era barges, about 30 diesels for every petrol. It will also be fun to see how we react to the challenges of keeping one running with all of the engine/ancillary complexities, DPF, injector issues etc. Interesting times ahead.
I think the solution will be the opposite. Stick with large petrol engines but go for even older barges. They will shortly be ULEZ exempt through their age when they reach 40years.
Radical solution. Can pre 1980s cars meet the requirements? Would have thought NVH and safety could be issues for regular use. Don't shoot me, I have no practical knowledge of cars of that age.

derin100

5,214 posts

242 months

Sunday 24th March 2019
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But I can't help but think I'd rather pay the extra 1500 quid for this over that £2.5K for that green one and have this instead...? And, certainly more than the W124 Saloon which is already nudging £4K this morning:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Jaguar-XJ-Series-4-0-au...




Any good?

XMified

676 posts

71 months

Sunday 24th March 2019
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derin100 said:
Perhaps Jag saloons are one of the last bastions of what we were previously used to and The Plague hasn't quite reached them in large numbers yet?
It certainly seems that way. Many decent value examples are still available.

I think the image, so appealing to many of us, is revolting to the wider public "taste".

Anecdotal evidence: when was the last time any of us saw one advertised with vile dark rear tints, as opposed to similarly-aged E36, W220 etc?

minimoog

6,857 posts

218 months

Sunday 24th March 2019
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Looks the part but being on sale (presumably) for 5 months not too encouraging.

Anyone else inwardly quip 'just filled it up too' when looking at the 'range 20 miles' pic?

derin100

5,214 posts

242 months

Sunday 24th March 2019
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laugh

Salmonofdoubt

1,413 posts

67 months

Sunday 24th March 2019
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I can't work out how to link a picture via my phone.

But this is utterly glorious in wedding car with with poverty grey cloth and a 4 cylinder petrol lump that isn't burdened with a kompressor.

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2019...

XMified

676 posts

71 months

Sunday 24th March 2019
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minimoog said:
XMified said:
There are alternatives outside of the usual suspects. My parents have a Mazda Bongo, and it happens to have a fairly decent V6 petrol installed. I'm sure you could get one within thread budget.
I did try and buy a Sherpa identical to this a couple years back but the seller was very weird and it didn't happen. Possibly a blessing smile

You madman. Did you drive it first?? laugh


I have some dreadful memories of late-night travel in the Sherpa's descendant, the LDV Convoy (band transport). Being in it was bad enough, the thought of driving the wretched thing was an ordeal that (fortunately) I never had to suffer.

Biglips

1,337 posts

154 months

Sunday 24th March 2019
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XMified said:
Radical solution. Can pre 1980s cars meet the requirements? Would have thought NVH and safety could be issues for regular use. Don't shoot me, I have no practical knowledge of cars of that age.

The 40 years is rolling and so more suitable metal for a daily is falling into this category all the time. I use my Eunos roadster as a city runaround. It is ace. It is now 30 years old. By the time any ulez zone hits Bristol where I live I will be nearly there. I admit I would not like to have a crash in it. However a big s class or similar of the same era will have decent safety and plenty of comfort. Pick one up Whilst you can as the value of the good ones will start to climb soon

minimoog

6,857 posts

218 months

Sunday 24th March 2019
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XMified said:
You madman. Did you drive it first?? laugh
Seller wouldn't allow a drive without hard cash down scratchchin

laugh

It's not gonna be any worse then a Kombi was the thinking, as I recall, but I never got to test the theory.

ian316

4,150 posts

104 months

Sunday 24th March 2019
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This 735 is on fb at £1495

king arthur

6,538 posts

260 months

Sunday 24th March 2019
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derin100 said:
But I can't help but think I'd rather pay the extra 1500 quid for this over that £2.5K for that green one and have this instead...? And, certainly more than the W124 Saloon which is already nudging £4K this morning:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Jaguar-XJ-Series-4-0-au...




Any good?
The wheels don't look right to me.
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