RE: Diesel replaces V8 in new Audi S6 and S7
Discussion
we are seeing the wrap up of fossil fuel cars, companies are trying to get rid of engines they have and not spend on development where they can on new engines. take a v6 tdi that Porsche has decided to stop using, slap on a hybrid system and then look at an electric blower to make up for off boost. would really start to make sense.
Oh its a little slower than a current S6, will it will actually be slower than the first electric 'normal' A6 segment audi when it is launched, just like the V10 RS is probably slower too.
the engine is a lost cause now its so in the past and they know that. at least a tdi is an engine and its not going to be strangulated by co2, throw a good sound synthisiser and it will sound like that v10 if you really want it to. city centre fees ? you think that's going to be restricted to dirty cars, ive got a surprise as soon as they realise that folks will cough up every car will be charged and folks will fall back on park and rides. its the way it is going to be
Oh its a little slower than a current S6, will it will actually be slower than the first electric 'normal' A6 segment audi when it is launched, just like the V10 RS is probably slower too.
the engine is a lost cause now its so in the past and they know that. at least a tdi is an engine and its not going to be strangulated by co2, throw a good sound synthisiser and it will sound like that v10 if you really want it to. city centre fees ? you think that's going to be restricted to dirty cars, ive got a surprise as soon as they realise that folks will cough up every car will be charged and folks will fall back on park and rides. its the way it is going to be
WCZ said:
my biggest issue is that it's not quick enough for a current generation S car
Perhaps so. But here is a battle between the 435hp V10 S6 and the tdi competition 326hp, and there is surprisingly little in it. Except the diesel is roughly twice as frugal... http://www.zeperfs.com/en/match3079-6056.htm
Something tells me these S6/S7 will surprise quite a few of those staring themselves blind on the hp figures...
Onehp said:
WCZ said:
my biggest issue is that it's not quick enough for a current generation S car
Perhaps so. But here is a battle between the 435hp V10 S6 and the tdi competition 326hp, and there is surprisingly little in it. Except the diesel is roughly twice as frugal... http://www.zeperfs.com/en/match3079-6056.htm
Something tells me these S6/S7 will surprise quite a few of those staring themselves blind on the hp figures...
Being an S isn't just about power, it's also about, I thought, some form of sporty drive. Good brakes, sportier chassis, and good response from the engine? Camparing with tuningboxes doesn't make much sense to me, one can tune any car now...
Frugality will also mean that at least on the Autobahn, you will be able to drive 3-4 hours at very high speed before needing to refuel. That extra stop in a gasoline you'll never catch up. If that actually matters, usually yes, less refueling is usually a big plus.
Frugality will also mean that at least on the Autobahn, you will be able to drive 3-4 hours at very high speed before needing to refuel. That extra stop in a gasoline you'll never catch up. If that actually matters, usually yes, less refueling is usually a big plus.
Escort Si-130 said:
Typical VAG, screw them and their diesels. Seriously what is the point! driving a performance tractor.
They could easily have done this to a petrol engine and get better power figures with this setup and a better 0-60.
Looks nice, but what is the point when running poor mans fuel.
The point ? From a VAG perspective mostly likely sales. They could easily have done this to a petrol engine and get better power figures with this setup and a better 0-60.
Looks nice, but what is the point when running poor mans fuel.
Onehp said:
Being an S isn't just about power, it's also about, I thought, some form of sporty drive. Good brakes, sportier chassis, and good response from the engine? Camparing with tuningboxes doesn't make much sense to me, one can tune any car now...
Frugality will also mean that at least on the Autobahn, you will be able to drive 3-4 hours at very high speed before needing to refuel. That extra stop in a gasoline you'll never catch up. If that actually matters, usually yes, less refueling is usually a big plus.
To a degree I see your point but this doesnt need bigger brakes than a 55tfsi. Agree to your other points somewhat. A tuning box might not make much sense to you but it would not make sense to me to spend upwards of 10k more on something that had no difference in power. I cant see them shifting many Frugality will also mean that at least on the Autobahn, you will be able to drive 3-4 hours at very high speed before needing to refuel. That extra stop in a gasoline you'll never catch up. If that actually matters, usually yes, less refueling is usually a big plus.
I just think they have done this in the wrong way. The 2018 S6 which I have is to fast for any road in the UK although very practical and quite fun relative to a normal saloon car.
This one is probably going to be fast in the 'real world' but I don't think anyone will buy one.
The current V8TT S6 has horrific fuel consumption but no one gets them for that reason so why make it all green?
This one is probably going to be fast in the 'real world' but I don't think anyone will buy one.
The current V8TT S6 has horrific fuel consumption but no one gets them for that reason so why make it all green?
EyeHeartSpellin said:
I just think they have done this in the wrong way. The 2018 S6 which I have is to fast for any road in the UK although very practical and quite fun relative to a normal saloon car.
This one is probably going to be fast in the 'real world' but I don't think anyone will buy one.
The current V8TT S6 has horrific fuel consumption but no one gets them for that reason so why make it all green?
It sounds like they have addressed the "flaws" of the 2018 version that you have experienced : too fast and too thirsty. Now it's not quite as fast and fuel consumption is greatly improved.This one is probably going to be fast in the 'real world' but I don't think anyone will buy one.
The current V8TT S6 has horrific fuel consumption but no one gets them for that reason so why make it all green?
Edited by nickfrog on Saturday 13th April 09:12
Thesprucegoose said:
the depreciation on the car will far outweigh pidding fuel saving. and audi dumping a derv in just as they are being ostracized smacks of desperation to use a engine developed.
I currently have an A6 Avant 50 TDI. I chose it over the 55 TFSI not because of fuel costs, but because i drive a relatively high mileage and I hate having to fill the f
king thing up every 3 days. Range is more important to me than costs. Thesprucegoose said:
legless said:
I hate having to fill the fking thing up every 3 days. Range is more important to me than costs.
you do 550 miles a week? Diesel cost saving would add up.king thing up every 3 days. Range is more important to me than costs. I've got a fuel card though, so while I still have to pay for the fuel as a taxable benefit, it's only about 50p a litre - hence the savings are less important to me.
Much as I like driving a decent high-capacity petrol engine too, I have to be honest and admit it's a barge, and it's not a car that I'd ever be hustling down a B road for fun. Hence, a 6-cylinder diesel suits its character pretty much perfectly.
Thesprucegoose said:
is it a company car?
Technically, no, at least not where HMRC are concerned. i.e. I don't pay any BIK on the car itself. It's a legitimate loophole used by the automotive manufacturers - they 'sell' a car to the employee at the price that the car is worth to them at the end of the production line, and 'buy' it back from them a few months later for the same price. Since this price is still lower than its value as a 6-month old used car, no benefit has been incurred by the employee in the eyes of HMRC and no BIK is applied.
Thesprucegoose said:
the depreciation on the car will far outweigh pidding fuel saving. and audi dumping a derv in just as they are being ostracized smacks of desperation to use a engine developed.
Whilst I agree on the costs, I don't think it's desperation on Audi's part. For starters as illogical as it is some people won't entertain petrols "because mpg" even though as you rightly say the fuel is fairly insignificant compared to the cost of depreciation/finance/hire and other running costs. It's just a bugbear some people have, 50mpg is better than 30mpg even though if they only do 10000 a year it's not a massive amount of savings (about £600 based on 120p petrol 130p diesel which is roughly what it is here). I know £600 isn't to be sniffed at but shouldn't be a deal breaker on a car of this value. It's probably because of CO2 and other things too.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff