RE: Uncompromising new Mini JCW GP spied on track

[Dr Interceptor]

Peanus said:

I am concerned this thing is going to be hilariously expensive. £40+k? More?

A JCW has a kerb weight of 1220kg, to get sub 1100kgs it's going to have to go on a massive diet.

There's talk of a carbon fibre roof - that's going to cost a few quid.

I'm going to put a bet on £40k plus VAT (so £48,000)

[HorneyMX5]

SlimJim16v said:

The GP2 looked great. This looks like a Pikes Peak wannabe. I doubt It'll make it to production without being very toned down.

This is the production car and this camo testing is just for the press cameras. The only difference will be the wheels the car comes on.

[cerb4.5lee]

George Smiley said:

mwstewart said:

George Smiley said:

Odd, I just bought a jcw for precisely the opposite to what you wrote.

It’s a fantastic little thing which doesn’t suffer from lack of a lsd. The build quality puts my Panamera to shame and it never fails to amuse.

I had the car you mentioned for a day as a loan car and whilst there is some notable difference I still found that fun.

The chassis is good but the steering lets it down in a big way (not just being picky here for the sake of internet argument; coming from hydraulic rack cars it was a real shock) - I felt completely isolated from the front wheels. The brakes also faded when giving it some welly after a few miles on a quiet country road. The thing I liked most was the infotainment system and voice control which were both were superb, but as a fun drivers car I just couldn't like it.

Can’t disagree on the steering feel but as far as the new systems go it’s not bad (much better than the m3 I found), the era of proper steering feel is behind us

The brakes on the jcw are much better so perhaps the fades something less of an issue.

Regarding the delivery. It’s never going to be as nice as NA or a charger but I find it a lot better than the 718. Now there is an engine that sounds and drives like a diesel. I’m not much of a fan of fi four pots but from a raft of choices for the daily, it’s simply the best little fun package, I expect the gp3 to be really good.

I find the 2 litre turbo engine to be a little ordinary in my Cooper S but I do think that it is effective. The brakes are garbage for sure but I've started to flip that on its head now and it adds to the drama of whether you can keep it on the road and not crash!!

The steering is a funny one and it is very darty and it catches me out occasionally(prefer hydraulic but it is far from the worst electric rack I've used), but I find the car great fun on country roads and it always makes me smile for sure.

[George Smiley]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UEaKX9YYHiQ

[TomTom77]

DSC OFF said:

Too tacky. I’ll take a secondhand jcw challenge edition with a remap please

I do wonder how much the std jcw weighs though. I’ve seen 1250kg auto, 1205 manual and now 1300 from PistonHeads?

Does anybody have more news about the gearbox(ex) it will be offered with?

I can live with the weight, but owning and knowing the GP.1 and GP.2 intimidatingly, I'm not sure an automatic, regardless how good and how much faster it might be, will turn me on...

[ghiblicup]

I currently have a Challenge Edition and have put a deposit down for a GP III.

After seeing those pics I did go back though the paper work to double check it said totally refundable! Just have to wait and see what it will really look like and drive train, gearbox etc.

Totally agree with steering feel on F56. R56 has so much more feel and was the reason I didn’t want a F56 after a test drive. The Challenge is much better with the suspension, diff and tyre set up. Though still not as good as the old car. It’s pretty metal though!

[jonny142]

Looks a sod to clean ! . other wise i like it

[George Smiley]

ghiblicup said:

I currently have a Challenge Edition and have put a deposit down for a GP III.

After seeing those pics I did go back though the paper work to double check it said totally refundable! Just have to wait and see what it will really look like and drive train, gearbox etc.

Totally agree with steering feel on F56. R56 has so much more feel and was the reason I didn’t want a F56 after a test drive. The Challenge is much better with the suspension, diff and tyre set up. Though still not as good as the old car. It’s pretty metal though!

What’s the price as I might take a look at a swap

[ghiblicup]

George Smiley said:

ghiblicup said:

I currently have a Challenge Edition and have put a deposit down for a GP III.

After seeing those pics I did go back though the paper work to double check it said totally refundable! Just have to wait and see what it will really look like and drive train, gearbox etc.

Totally agree with steering feel on F56. R56 has so much more feel and was the reason I didn’t want a F56 after a test drive. The Challenge is much better with the suspension, diff and tyre set up. Though still not as good as the old car. It’s pretty metal though!

What’s the price as I might take a look at a swap

GPIII? None given yet!

[Foundthecure]

pimpchez said:

This site is getting bad if i feel i need to point out lazy journalism .

Taken from PH itself

HONDA CIVIC TYPE R (FK8)
Engine: 1,996cc, turbocharged 4-cyl
Transmission: 6-speed manual, front-wheel drive
Power (hp): 320@6,500rpm
Torque (lb ft): 295@2,500-4,500rpm
0-62mph: 5.8sec
Top speed: 169mph
Weight: 1,451kg (with fluids and driver)
MPG: 36.7 (NEDC combined)
CO2: 176g/km
Price: £30,995 (£32,995 for GT version)

320/1451 = 220bhp/tonne NOT 231 as said here . Along with that they ALSO got it wrong for the mini 300/1250 = 240bhp/ tonne

Looks like someone is working on averages .....


Car looks good mind you

You have lazy maths. You’re maths is using HP, not BHP. Two different things.

[SlimJim16v]

HorneyMX5 said:

This is the production car and this camo testing is just for the press cameras. The only difference will be the wheels the car comes on.

I know the reasoning for the wings, but let's hope they look better without the camo.