RE: Honda NSX-R: PH Heroes
Discussion
big_rob_sydney said:
When I read articles like this, it leaves me in two minds.
Are we talking about the actual driving experience of it, right now, with modern rubber, compared to other vehicles, or, are we talking about it in the context of what it was back in the day?
Because as much as I love the older cars (I ran a 22B for 7 years), even I would struggle to suggest that the older cars can hang with the new machinery (progress and all that).
We may be making some driving god points about manual v DSG, etc, but we are not all driving gods, no matter how wishful our thinking.
And while I'd love to have my 22B back (but without the ridiculous price tag being asked these days), I'm just as happy to move on to something more modern, at a far more realistic and accessible price.
Well put that manAre we talking about the actual driving experience of it, right now, with modern rubber, compared to other vehicles, or, are we talking about it in the context of what it was back in the day?
Because as much as I love the older cars (I ran a 22B for 7 years), even I would struggle to suggest that the older cars can hang with the new machinery (progress and all that).
We may be making some driving god points about manual v DSG, etc, but we are not all driving gods, no matter how wishful our thinking.
And while I'd love to have my 22B back (but without the ridiculous price tag being asked these days), I'm just as happy to move on to something more modern, at a far more realistic and accessible price.
I rather have modern cars.
it's simply rarity.
to me the new mx5 which is barely heavier (think 30kg) than the 1st and original version is a particular triumph. You can have the best of both worlds.
and have incredible reliability as well
but, it isn't rare and doesn't have ayrton signing off on it.
rose tinted glasses are everything....
it's simply rarity.
to me the new mx5 which is barely heavier (think 30kg) than the 1st and original version is a particular triumph. You can have the best of both worlds.
and have incredible reliability as well
but, it isn't rare and doesn't have ayrton signing off on it.
rose tinted glasses are everything....
big_rob_sydney said:
Are we talking about the actual driving experience of it, right now, with modern rubber, compared to other vehicles, or, are we talking about it in the context of what it was back in the day?
I think the proposition is that driving the original Type R with its unassisted steering, hearing the VTEC induction howl, downshifting with a flare of revs, and working the balance yourself through a corner would be more engaging, enjoyable and satisfying than spending about the same money on a new NSX and steering it with ePAS, hearing the turbos whoosh, flicking down a gear with the paddles and feeling the torque vectoring rotate you around the same corner.To put it another way, imagine that scientists invent the teleporter. You can now 'cover ground cross country' instantly, infinitely faster than the fastest modern supercar. What's left of driving? Not the sheer speed A to B, but the enjoyment of working a piece of machinery and feeling it working with you. That's what's timeless, and not obsoleted by the insistent march of technology.
Arsecati said:
Then you've never driven a DSG equipped R8.
Audi R8, 10 a penny, run of the mill, every man and his dog within the M25 has one and a little bit shouty. Mr regular with access to PCP, too afraid to stray from the well beaten track of others. Warranty and newness gives him comfort, and if you can't meet a payment, send it back, no bother. An Audi badge gives you a warm feeling, and is respected at the Gastro pub.Honda NSX. You are MR ICE
You know your s
t about cars.Just my opinion
Rostyle said:
It reads to me that a standard 90s NSX would have been a better proposition than the R? Hydraulic PAS, comfortable suspension and normal gearing ....
Steering assistance was electric and considered weak in terms of feedback.Gearing was lower in the Type-R
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=630&am...
Think the standard suspension is quite soft by modern standards
HokumPokum said:
I rather have modern cars.
it's simply rarity.
to me the new mx5 which is barely heavier (think 30kg) than the 1st and original version is a particular triumph. You can have the best of both worlds.
and have incredible reliability as well
but, it isn't rare and doesn't have ayrton signing off on it.
rose tinted glasses are everything....
What's the modern day equivalent to the NSX. ~300bhp, £1350kg, 8000rpm with a cracking sound, reliable and with great engineering?it's simply rarity.
to me the new mx5 which is barely heavier (think 30kg) than the 1st and original version is a particular triumph. You can have the best of both worlds.
and have incredible reliability as well
but, it isn't rare and doesn't have ayrton signing off on it.
rose tinted glasses are everything....
Derek Chevalier said:
Rostyle said:
It reads to me that a standard 90s NSX would have been a better proposition than the R? Hydraulic PAS, comfortable suspension and normal gearing ....
Steering assistance was electric and considered weak in terms of feedback.Gearing was lower in the Type-R
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=630&am...
Think the standard suspension is quite soft by modern standards
Back when i was working my first job, my boss had a red NSX and one of my jobs was to wash it. When the car was wet the paint changed colour in the sun light and looked an awful red shade. I thought i had ruined the paint until a member of staff pointed out that once the car was dried it would return to its original look. No idea why this happened but i always thought the car was stunning. He used to sell honda motorbikes and this is why he had the NSX.
Impressive at the time but by todays standards not particularly fast and the interior is fairly hideous, still a beautiful shape to look at though.
Impressive at the time but by todays standards not particularly fast and the interior is fairly hideous, still a beautiful shape to look at though.
Derek Chevalier said:
HokumPokum said:
I rather have modern cars.
it's simply rarity.
to me the new mx5 which is barely heavier (think 30kg) than the 1st and original version is a particular triumph. You can have the best of both worlds.
and have incredible reliability as well
but, it isn't rare and doesn't have ayrton signing off on it.
rose tinted glasses are everything....
What's the modern day equivalent to the NSX. ~300bhp, £1350kg, 8000rpm with a cracking sound, reliable and with great engineering?it's simply rarity.
to me the new mx5 which is barely heavier (think 30kg) than the 1st and original version is a particular triumph. You can have the best of both worlds.
and have incredible reliability as well
but, it isn't rare and doesn't have ayrton signing off on it.
rose tinted glasses are everything....
Rostyle said:
Derek Chevalier said:
Rostyle said:
It reads to me that a standard 90s NSX would have been a better proposition than the R? Hydraulic PAS, comfortable suspension and normal gearing ....
Steering assistance was electric and considered weak in terms of feedback.Gearing was lower in the Type-R
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=630&am...
Think the standard suspension is quite soft by modern standards
Some thought the end of the line NSX comparable to a non press optimised 20 year old 355.
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/porsch...
Sandpit Steve said:
Derek Chevalier said:
HokumPokum said:
I rather have modern cars.
it's simply rarity.
to me the new mx5 which is barely heavier (think 30kg) than the 1st and original version is a particular triumph. You can have the best of both worlds.
and have incredible reliability as well
but, it isn't rare and doesn't have ayrton signing off on it.
rose tinted glasses are everything....
What's the modern day equivalent to the NSX. ~300bhp, £1350kg, 8000rpm with a cracking sound, reliable and with great engineering?it's simply rarity.
to me the new mx5 which is barely heavier (think 30kg) than the 1st and original version is a particular triumph. You can have the best of both worlds.
and have incredible reliability as well
but, it isn't rare and doesn't have ayrton signing off on it.
rose tinted glasses are everything....
In the past couple of weeks I’ve been out for various drives in my NSX-T ... so not the R as featured. On each occasion I’ve met with car enthusiasts who are genuinely pleased to see the NSX ... many saying they’ve either never seen one or can barely remember the last time such is the rarity of the these cars today.
I have friends with both the special models, the NSX-S and NSX-R. In both cases they agree that for UK roads the ride is harder than ideal. The comparison is to my T, which at 21 years old has undergone some preventative age related maintenance. Where appropriate I have used more modern hardware to bring the compentency of this great car more up to modern standards. So my NSX now runs on Bilsteins whitst retaining the OEM springs. Dropped onto the lower perch, I have retained the OEM compliance, improved the stance and improved the handling across our many A & B roads.
NSX-Rs from either generation are financially way out of reach for many (self included) so I count myself very fortunate to be part of the small group (Possibly less than 330 cars in the UK) who own, drive and look after these cars.
All manaul NSX have an amazing shift. They low slim road presence aids for rapid progress where many of today’s much larger, wider, heavier cars need to slow to ‘fit’ on our roads. The NSX can whisk its way across country at consistent (not excessive) speeds and despite the notable power disadvantage to more modern machinery, it is rarely left and in fact often leaves the youngsters as they cannot navigate so easily.
The Sandpit Steve asked what is the modern day variant .... Whilst I’m sure Cayman GT4 its a great car, for me at sensible money I’d be looking to Norfolk and the the Evora ... light and low with a mid-engined V6. If budget is less of a concern ... the understated looks of the MP4-12c with all the factory upgrades completed is the natural successor to the Honda NSX.
I have friends with both the special models, the NSX-S and NSX-R. In both cases they agree that for UK roads the ride is harder than ideal. The comparison is to my T, which at 21 years old has undergone some preventative age related maintenance. Where appropriate I have used more modern hardware to bring the compentency of this great car more up to modern standards. So my NSX now runs on Bilsteins whitst retaining the OEM springs. Dropped onto the lower perch, I have retained the OEM compliance, improved the stance and improved the handling across our many A & B roads.
NSX-Rs from either generation are financially way out of reach for many (self included) so I count myself very fortunate to be part of the small group (Possibly less than 330 cars in the UK) who own, drive and look after these cars.
All manaul NSX have an amazing shift. They low slim road presence aids for rapid progress where many of today’s much larger, wider, heavier cars need to slow to ‘fit’ on our roads. The NSX can whisk its way across country at consistent (not excessive) speeds and despite the notable power disadvantage to more modern machinery, it is rarely left and in fact often leaves the youngsters as they cannot navigate so easily.
The Sandpit Steve asked what is the modern day variant .... Whilst I’m sure Cayman GT4 its a great car, for me at sensible money I’d be looking to Norfolk and the the Evora ... light and low with a mid-engined V6. If budget is less of a concern ... the understated looks of the MP4-12c with all the factory upgrades completed is the natural successor to the Honda NSX.
Edited by senninha2 on Saturday 13th April 20:31
The NSX is absolutely a supercar, time has been unkind in certain areas, such as specific power outputs, but let's back track a bit.
The Senna link is tenuous for me, he was given one, maybe commented but tbh wasn't the project leader
It's a great car, it shrinks around you. Visibility is excellent and it's as easy to drive as anything else. The engineering behind it was absolutely at the edge of the envelope in 1991, think about it. Gearbox, wonderful, noise, drama, all brilliant.
It's major weakness for me, was the fact it was more GT than anything else. Owning one at 30 years old was a mistake in hindsight, I think I would actually appreciate it way more now. The trouble is, a 355 is for me, the next step. I have visited Honda Tokyo a coupe of times and sat in the R and thoroughly enjoyed myself. Honda should have released the R in the UK, it would have sold loads.
I'd never pay £150K for one now, all this chat about old cars being better, well, drive a 458 and let me know what exactly is lacking. Times change, it's a great car, in it's era, but it's not Jesus Christ.
The Senna link is tenuous for me, he was given one, maybe commented but tbh wasn't the project leader
It's a great car, it shrinks around you. Visibility is excellent and it's as easy to drive as anything else. The engineering behind it was absolutely at the edge of the envelope in 1991, think about it. Gearbox, wonderful, noise, drama, all brilliant. It's major weakness for me, was the fact it was more GT than anything else. Owning one at 30 years old was a mistake in hindsight, I think I would actually appreciate it way more now. The trouble is, a 355 is for me, the next step. I have visited Honda Tokyo a coupe of times and sat in the R and thoroughly enjoyed myself. Honda should have released the R in the UK, it would have sold loads.
I'd never pay £150K for one now, all this chat about old cars being better, well, drive a 458 and let me know what exactly is lacking. Times change, it's a great car, in it's era, but it's not Jesus Christ.
I was fortunate enough to work for a super car club a few years ago delivering cars.
Yes I have gone silly speeds in Huracan, MP4-12c, R8 both 4.2 & 5.0, aventador etc etc. All very easy to drive extremely quickly and even in London traffic doesn’t feel like a challenge.
Manual f430 and manual Lambo is horrible in London. After driving a few times when a customer would want one for the weekend we used to all try and get out of delivering the manuals. Too much hassle.
However....
The NSX was amazing. Even though it didn’t have power steering around London it wasn’t too bad. Great visibility all around and once on the open road was a real pleasure. Something about going down an A/B road just felt so connected to the car.
Don’t get me wrong modern R8s are very good and if I could afford to run one for a commute I would. Easy to drive, very comfortable and can have fun, but.......for weekend fun I would have an NSX.
Yes I have gone silly speeds in Huracan, MP4-12c, R8 both 4.2 & 5.0, aventador etc etc. All very easy to drive extremely quickly and even in London traffic doesn’t feel like a challenge.
Manual f430 and manual Lambo is horrible in London. After driving a few times when a customer would want one for the weekend we used to all try and get out of delivering the manuals. Too much hassle.
However....
The NSX was amazing. Even though it didn’t have power steering around London it wasn’t too bad. Great visibility all around and once on the open road was a real pleasure. Something about going down an A/B road just felt so connected to the car.
Don’t get me wrong modern R8s are very good and if I could afford to run one for a commute I would. Easy to drive, very comfortable and can have fun, but.......for weekend fun I would have an NSX.
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