Are noisy ICE cars becoming embarrassing?
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I'd be interested to know the age of people replying in this thread.
I have read a few threads where people on PH give 'yoofs' hassle and call them chavs etc. because we are all so awesome. When I was 17 I had a mk4 Astra 1.8 SRI with a Bastuck exhaust system fitted and loved the sound it made.
I do wonder how many people on here did the same when they were younger, but now look down on it. It's as if some people on here don't want younger generations to enjoy what they once did themselves.
I have read a few threads where people on PH give 'yoofs' hassle and call them chavs etc. because we are all so awesome. When I was 17 I had a mk4 Astra 1.8 SRI with a Bastuck exhaust system fitted and loved the sound it made.
I do wonder how many people on here did the same when they were younger, but now look down on it. It's as if some people on here don't want younger generations to enjoy what they once did themselves.
Stu08 said:
I'd be interested to know the age of people replying in this thread.
I have read a few threads where people on PH give 'yoofs' hassle and call them chavs etc. because we are all so awesome. When I was 17 I had a mk4 Astra 1.8 SRI with a Bastuck exhaust system fitted and loved the sound it made.
I do wonder how many people on here did the same when they were younger, but now look down on it. It's as if some people on here don't want younger generations to enjoy what they once did themselves.
i'm over 50 and spec'd the performance exhaust on my A45 for extra loud pops and bangs, love it.I have read a few threads where people on PH give 'yoofs' hassle and call them chavs etc. because we are all so awesome. When I was 17 I had a mk4 Astra 1.8 SRI with a Bastuck exhaust system fitted and loved the sound it made.
I do wonder how many people on here did the same when they were younger, but now look down on it. It's as if some people on here don't want younger generations to enjoy what they once did themselves.
the fact it annoys beigeists as well is a double win in my book
very tempted to get a C63 V8 next with a titanium exhaust
Stu08 said:
I'd be interested to know the age of people replying in this thread.
I have read a few threads where people on PH give 'yoofs' hassle and call them chavs etc. because we are all so awesome. When I was 17 I had a mk4 Astra 1.8 SRI with a Bastuck exhaust system fitted and loved the sound it made.
I do wonder how many people on here did the same when they were younger, but now look down on it. It's as if some people on here don't want younger generations to enjoy what they once did themselves.
My '63 Riley has a tubular manifold and exhaust giving a distinctly non-standard sound that is music to my almost 70 year old ears. I have read a few threads where people on PH give 'yoofs' hassle and call them chavs etc. because we are all so awesome. When I was 17 I had a mk4 Astra 1.8 SRI with a Bastuck exhaust system fitted and loved the sound it made.
I do wonder how many people on here did the same when they were younger, but now look down on it. It's as if some people on here don't want younger generations to enjoy what they once did themselves.
Almost all my cars have been modified, most with some sort of performance exhaust but 'performance' doesn't have to equal 'noisy'.
Etypephil said:
Baldchap said:
Etypephil said:
Baldchap said:
I drove a mate's 355 the other week. Sounded great and 9000rpm from a low-slung V8 is always going to be an event. But 0-60 takes longer than my Golf.
I'm sure we all agree a noisy Ferrari is OK, but a noisy Golf isn't. However, in this situation, the Golf is the faster car, so surely the Ferrari needs to pipe down and the Golf can speak up?
I'm playing Devil's advocate to a degree, but how does a noisy car qualify as being 'worthy'?
Your Golf can better 183 mph? Really? And the (rather irrelevant) 0-60 mph of 4.5 seconds? Is it one of those special high performance diesels we keep hearing about?I'm sure we all agree a noisy Ferrari is OK, but a noisy Golf isn't. However, in this situation, the Golf is the faster car, so surely the Ferrari needs to pipe down and the Golf can speak up?
I'm playing Devil's advocate to a degree, but how does a noisy car qualify as being 'worthy'?
0-62 on the 355 according to Ferrari is 4.7 seconds. That's longer than it takes a Golf R.
And neither is the actual point of my post, as you well know. What is the entry point (is it even about performance) where a noisy exhaust is acceptable?
Edited by Baldchap on Wednesday 24th April 07:47
Your main point seemed to be that a shopping trolley is faster than an old Ferrari, which it isn't.
I did state 0-60 (ok it's 62, but who cares), so that is clearly the measure I'm talking about.
But again, not my point. If I was playing top trumps I wouldn't pick my Golf. My point is 'what are the entry requirements for a noisy car to be acceptable', it clearly isn't 0-62. If we pick something that's limited to 155 it clearly isn't top speed. What is it?
My personal gut feel is that it's largely manufacturer providence and cylinder count. The first of which is certainly open to audience opinion.
Edited by Baldchap on Wednesday 24th April 12:47
James NF said:
Overun popping and banging through exhaust (I guess ‘chipped’ to do it) is pretty anti social. Normally happens with older cars and a certain genre of user.
For what I term a ‘nice’ noise from a car would require a good 6, V8 or V12!
However yes, people these days seem to frown on any such noise, but I do wonder what contrived noises will be emitted from EV’s etc.
Think of this all as an era passing.
You forgot V10 the best sound bar non in my opinion You can’t beat that howl .
For what I term a ‘nice’ noise from a car would require a good 6, V8 or V12!
However yes, people these days seem to frown on any such noise, but I do wonder what contrived noises will be emitted from EV’s etc.
Think of this all as an era passing.
You forgot V10 the best sound bar non in my opinion You can’t beat that howl .
Jonno02 said:
G30001 said:
Current driveway consists or 08 Golf R32 and B8 RS4 both have stainless exhausts.......I think you can guess my opinion on the matter!
Current Pet hate 4 pots with mapped in pops and bangs please stop, it isn't cool, we all know it's a map not a highly tuned engine
So it's fine for a 5 cylinder or a V6+ to be obnoxiously loud, but not a 4pot, albeit in a slightly different manner. Some might say LESS asbo and the farts only occur under heavy acceleration, whereas neighbours can hear a loud car permanently. And again, it's alright for your R32, which is down on power compared to these 4 pots, to be a lot louder? But that's not a highly tuned engine either?Current Pet hate 4 pots with mapped in pops and bangs please stop, it isn't cool, we all know it's a map not a highly tuned engine
Hypocrisy in its final form. "My car can be loud because of the number of cylinders it has, but your 4pot cannot be loud because I don't like the noise." Verging over the line of hypocrisy into idiocy.
4-pots, generally, do not sound so easy on the ear. Combine this with more volume and the end result isn't particularly appealing.
All IMO but I think this is what the poster was getting at.
The old electric versus ICE question again. For me I suspect the noise a performance car makes is part of getting its appeal, and interest. Think about the difference between watching a steam train getting under way, and when it is at speed, compared to watching an electric train doing the same. I tried to watch Formula E, and it appears to be boring for just about everyone except perhaps the drivers., and the noise of the Formula E cars is just irritating, like demented milk floats.
Of course they are fast as Teslas have proven, but what is the price in overall range the driver of an electric car must pay, if they decide to out accelerate an ICE car/ As the saying goes, nobody get owt for nowt.
Of course they are fast as Teslas have proven, but what is the price in overall range the driver of an electric car must pay, if they decide to out accelerate an ICE car/ As the saying goes, nobody get owt for nowt.
Varelco said:
There is nothing wrong with loud cars as long as they are the right cars. When your average Golf GTI/ A3 comes into sight farting, popping and burping its just makes you want to cringe. Its the modern day version of a Nova with a cherry bomb exhaust.
I've got a Golf R Estate, I was born in the 70's and started driving at the end of the 80's........So I resemble your comment
What about bikes, generally I think they sound a bit like an F1 car, usually ponder that in summer at 6 am when they go howling up the bypass.
Harleys though, sound like a flatulent dumptruck, there is a bloke locally who has a stereo on his (he likes Bon Jovi), kind of reminds me of Joey Boswell from the 80s Scouser sitcom Bread, personally I think its a bit tragic but he is having fun, he thinks he looks the dogs b
ks and thats all that matters, I suspect he really wouldnt give a flying toss that it isnt a look I would adopt. I bet he had wanted one for years, far be it from to piss on his bonfire.
The sound of his one man Mardi Grass, replete with leather saddle bags, chrome and tassles doesnt matter, its transient like the odd noisy hot hatch.
As long as whatever it is gets driven safely (not always the case I know) I dont see a problem, dont worry about it.
"Ooh 4 cylinders", jesus, so what, you like V8's, yeah so do I but best not to rattle on incessantly about them and make out that isnt the only way to enjoy driving, guess what, that 20 odd year old lad in his Golf R wants a Golf R, not an ancient TVR or something of its ilk. Thats what means something to him, and he enjoys it, DSG farts and all !
Plenty of other noise to moan about, my neighbours had gardeners in all day as I was trying to work, there is an airport nearby, the dog is a noisy tosser, I can cope with the odd farty noise, and frequently do.
Harleys though, sound like a flatulent dumptruck, there is a bloke locally who has a stereo on his (he likes Bon Jovi), kind of reminds me of Joey Boswell from the 80s Scouser sitcom Bread, personally I think its a bit tragic but he is having fun, he thinks he looks the dogs b
ks and thats all that matters, I suspect he really wouldnt give a flying toss that it isnt a look I would adopt. I bet he had wanted one for years, far be it from to piss on his bonfire.The sound of his one man Mardi Grass, replete with leather saddle bags, chrome and tassles doesnt matter, its transient like the odd noisy hot hatch.
As long as whatever it is gets driven safely (not always the case I know) I dont see a problem, dont worry about it.
"Ooh 4 cylinders", jesus, so what, you like V8's, yeah so do I but best not to rattle on incessantly about them and make out that isnt the only way to enjoy driving, guess what, that 20 odd year old lad in his Golf R wants a Golf R, not an ancient TVR or something of its ilk. Thats what means something to him, and he enjoys it, DSG farts and all !
Plenty of other noise to moan about, my neighbours had gardeners in all day as I was trying to work, there is an airport nearby, the dog is a noisy tosser, I can cope with the odd farty noise, and frequently do.
I couldn't agree with you more about Harleys - they're just 2 wheeled tractors!
But I can't agree about modern 4 cylinder petrol cars with fake sound-tracks. I went to a car meet a couple of weeks ago and there were was a MK1 Escort Mexico that sounded fantastic, and another MK1 twin-cam with twin Webers that sounded amazing - so it can be done!
Years ago a mate used to race a hot-rod on short-circuits that had a (very) tuned Ford Crossflow on twin Webers and it sounded terrific.
What went wrong?
But I can't agree about modern 4 cylinder petrol cars with fake sound-tracks. I went to a car meet a couple of weeks ago and there were was a MK1 Escort Mexico that sounded fantastic, and another MK1 twin-cam with twin Webers that sounded amazing - so it can be done!
Years ago a mate used to race a hot-rod on short-circuits that had a (very) tuned Ford Crossflow on twin Webers and it sounded terrific.
What went wrong?
J4CKO said:
What about bikes, generally I think they sound a bit like an F1 car, usually ponder that in summer at 6 am when they go howling up the bypass.
Harleys though, sound like a flatulent dumptruck, there is a bloke locally who has a stereo on his (he likes Bon Jovi), kind of reminds me of Joey Boswell from the 80s Scouser sitcom Bread, personally I think its a bit tragic but he is having fun, he thinks he looks the dogs bks and thats all that matters, I suspect he really wouldnt give a flying toss that it isnt a look I would adopt. I bet he had wanted one for years, far be it from to piss on his bonfire.
The sound of his one man Mardi Grass, replete with leather saddle bags, chrome and tassles doesnt matter, its transient like the odd noisy hot hatch.
As long as whatever it is gets driven safely (not always the case I know) I dont see a problem, dont worry about it.
"Ooh 4 cylinders", jesus, so what, you like V8's, yeah so do I but best not to rattle on incessantly about them and make out that isnt the only way to enjoy driving, guess what, that 20 odd year old lad in his Golf R wants a Golf R, not an ancient TVR or something of its ilk. Thats what means something to him, and he enjoys it, DSG farts and all !
Plenty of other noise to moan about, my neighbours had gardeners in all day as I was trying to work, there is an airport nearby, the dog is a noisy tosser, I can cope with the odd farty noise, and frequently do.
Totally agree, this thread is like some kind of willy waving contest where anything less than 6/8 cylinders (aka inches) is to be laughed at Harleys though, sound like a flatulent dumptruck, there is a bloke locally who has a stereo on his (he likes Bon Jovi), kind of reminds me of Joey Boswell from the 80s Scouser sitcom Bread, personally I think its a bit tragic but he is having fun, he thinks he looks the dogs b
ks and thats all that matters, I suspect he really wouldnt give a flying toss that it isnt a look I would adopt. I bet he had wanted one for years, far be it from to piss on his bonfire.The sound of his one man Mardi Grass, replete with leather saddle bags, chrome and tassles doesnt matter, its transient like the odd noisy hot hatch.
As long as whatever it is gets driven safely (not always the case I know) I dont see a problem, dont worry about it.
"Ooh 4 cylinders", jesus, so what, you like V8's, yeah so do I but best not to rattle on incessantly about them and make out that isnt the only way to enjoy driving, guess what, that 20 odd year old lad in his Golf R wants a Golf R, not an ancient TVR or something of its ilk. Thats what means something to him, and he enjoys it, DSG farts and all !
Plenty of other noise to moan about, my neighbours had gardeners in all day as I was trying to work, there is an airport nearby, the dog is a noisy tosser, I can cope with the odd farty noise, and frequently do.
This thread has quickly become embarrassing for what is supposed to be a forum aimed at people who like all kinds of performance cars, including EV's!
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