RE: Diesel duo confirmed for Audi S5
Discussion
Leon R said:
wab172uk said:
Ultrafunkula said:
Puts clear water between the S and the RS, anyway.
Which is a shame, as I think the S cars are better than the RS cars. Almost as quick in the real world, but a chunk less money to buy. Better mpg, and less likely to get nicked.Diesel S6, I kind of get, but diesel S5 (particularly the coupe) just is just plain wrong - I understand diesel has better range (which is a concern for some people), lower CO2 (but the tax incentives have/are disappearing) & more torque (but turbo petrol engines have a nicer delivery and rev range). But I've always felt this about diesel coupes & convertibles - they're like flying business class to stay in a budget hotel at your destination (a compromise I wouldn't make).
Dale487 said:
Diesel S6, I kind of get, but diesel S5 (particularly the coupe) just is just plain wrong - I understand diesel has better range (which is a concern for some people), lower CO2 (but the tax incentives have/are disappearing) & more torque (but turbo petrol engines have a nicer delivery and rev range). But I've always felt this about diesel coupes & convertibles - they're like flying business class to stay in a budget hotel at your destination (a compromise I wouldn't make).
I agree, it's why I don't see the appeal in any luxury/executive car with a diesel engine, unless doing monstrous miles.E65Ross said:
Dale487 said:
Diesel S6, I kind of get, but diesel S5 (particularly the coupe) just is just plain wrong - I understand diesel has better range (which is a concern for some people), lower CO2 (but the tax incentives have/are disappearing) & more torque (but turbo petrol engines have a nicer delivery and rev range). But I've always felt this about diesel coupes & convertibles - they're like flying business class to stay in a budget hotel at your destination (a compromise I wouldn't make).
I agree, it's why I don't see the appeal in any luxury/executive car with a diesel engine, unless doing monstrous miles.Edited by GTEYE on Wednesday 17th April 17:33
E65Ross said:
Dale487 said:
Diesel S6, I kind of get, but diesel S5 (particularly the coupe) just is just plain wrong - I understand diesel has better range (which is a concern for some people), lower CO2 (but the tax incentives have/are disappearing) & more torque (but turbo petrol engines have a nicer delivery and rev range). But I've always felt this about diesel coupes & convertibles - they're like flying business class to stay in a budget hotel at your destination (a compromise I wouldn't make).
I agree, it's why I don't see the appeal in any luxury/executive car with a diesel engine, unless doing monstrous miles.Dale487 said:
E65Ross said:
Dale487 said:
Diesel S6, I kind of get, but diesel S5 (particularly the coupe) just is just plain wrong - I understand diesel has better range (which is a concern for some people), lower CO2 (but the tax incentives have/are disappearing) & more torque (but turbo petrol engines have a nicer delivery and rev range). But I've always felt this about diesel coupes & convertibles - they're like flying business class to stay in a budget hotel at your destination (a compromise I wouldn't make).
I agree, it's why I don't see the appeal in any luxury/executive car with a diesel engine, unless doing monstrous miles.So I guess it’s diesel S5 or no S5...
culpz said:
Leon R said:
wab172uk said:
Ultrafunkula said:
Puts clear water between the S and the RS, anyway.
Which is a shame, as I think the S cars are better than the RS cars. Almost as quick in the real world, but a chunk less money to buy. Better mpg, and less likely to get nicked.Almost as quick as the RS in the real world? Yep.
Less money than the RS? Check.
Better MPG? Yes.
Less likely to be stolen? Debatable but certainly no more likely.
I get that if you don't want a diesel then you now have to look elsewhere but none of the parameters listed exclude diesel vehicles.
ChezzaV8 said:
I then took the S5 out and was actually pretty dissappointed. It's got a god awful tiptronic gearbox instead of a dual clutch and it totally ruined the car.
Just shows how people have different opinions/experiences of things.The 'god awful tiptronic gearbox' is the ubiquitous ZF 8HP70 torque converter autobox, widely praised as one of the best gearboxes on the market. Personally speaking, it's one of the reasons to have the S4/S5 over the 2.0 TFSI. Having driven both extensively, I'd take the ZF box every time.
legless said:
ChezzaV8 said:
I then took the S5 out and was actually pretty dissappointed. It's got a god awful tiptronic gearbox instead of a dual clutch and it totally ruined the car.
Just shows how people have different opinions/experiences of things.The 'god awful tiptronic gearbox' is the ubiquitous ZF 8HP70 torque converter autobox, widely praised as one of the best gearboxes on the market. Personally speaking, it's one of the reasons to have the S4/S5 over the 2.0 TFSI. Having driven both extensively, I'd take the ZF box every time.
Very surprised that they've gone diesel for these given it's looked like VAG have been moving away from diesel models for the past couple of years. So this represents a slight U-Turn!
I can definitely see the appeal having owned the original V8 S5 and subsequently selling it as the running costs were excessive. So having similar performance on offer with much better MPG is an attractive proposition for sure. But it is slightly slower than the current petrol S5 which can do 0-62mph in 4.7sec which they conveniently don't mention in the press article
Also where has the Cabriolet gone? That's the one I'd go for...
I can definitely see the appeal having owned the original V8 S5 and subsequently selling it as the running costs were excessive. So having similar performance on offer with much better MPG is an attractive proposition for sure. But it is slightly slower than the current petrol S5 which can do 0-62mph in 4.7sec which they conveniently don't mention in the press article
Also where has the Cabriolet gone? That's the one I'd go for...
S5 hasn’t been a decent steer for a while.
I drove a V6 Turbo to the Ring a few years ago and whilst excellent on the autobahn is was a mess dynamically on the twisty roads of the Ardennes - zero feedback, understeer and overactive ESP. It wasn’t dangerous just totally lacking in any sense of connection or fun.
Dropping in a diesel is no tragedy as it won’t handle any worse than it did, will probably still be superb on the motorway and will squeeze out some more mpg.
I must get some PH bingo points for:
‘Understeer’
‘No connection’
‘No fun’
(All true though sadly)
I drove a V6 Turbo to the Ring a few years ago and whilst excellent on the autobahn is was a mess dynamically on the twisty roads of the Ardennes - zero feedback, understeer and overactive ESP. It wasn’t dangerous just totally lacking in any sense of connection or fun.
Dropping in a diesel is no tragedy as it won’t handle any worse than it did, will probably still be superb on the motorway and will squeeze out some more mpg.
I must get some PH bingo points for:
‘Understeer’
‘No connection’
‘No fun’
(All true though sadly)
Edited by Maldini35 on Wednesday 17th April 19:55
culpz said:
Ultrafunkula said:
Puts clear water between the S and the RS, anyway.
Why now though? That's what I don't get. It seems daft that Audi have only just come to this conclusion now after doing things differently for the last how many years previously.Amanitin said:
va1o said:
Very surprised that they've gone diesel for these
fleet average emission thing probably.Speaking of which, how JLR are planning to comply, no idea
V6 diesel suits the S5. It has never been a sports coupe, anyone who thinks that is a poor mans RS 5
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