Out on bail during your murder trial - normal?

Out on bail during your murder trial - normal?

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Willhire89

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1,328 posts

205 months

Wednesday 17th April 2019
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18 y/o mother of one who does not deny she stabbed the guy in the heart - she forgot she had a knife with her and that It was in her hand when she went to punch him

https://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/local-news/m...

Left the scene and the victim to die - then handed herself and the cleaned knife in a few hours later

Seems strange she is out on bail during the trial - is that usual?

Vaud

50,426 posts

155 months

Wednesday 17th April 2019
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Why not?

The judge will have taken all the information into account - that she handed herself in, her propensity to flee, care of the child, etc in making the decision.

Doesn't seem unreasonable.

Willhire89

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1,328 posts

205 months

Wednesday 17th April 2019
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Vaud said:
Doesn't seem unreasonable.
I would be interested to know how common it is - I assumed (wrongly) that with a murder charge you got free accomm pending the trial

Vaud

50,426 posts

155 months

Wednesday 17th April 2019
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Willhire89 said:
I would be interested to know how common it is - I assumed (wrongly) that with a murder charge you got free accomm pending the trial
Crime stats are collated and public domain. Not sure bail stats are broken down.

Have a search here:

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics?departmen...

Sa Calobra

37,116 posts

211 months

Wednesday 17th April 2019
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Have the friends been identified?

Cat

3,019 posts

269 months

Wednesday 17th April 2019
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anonymous-user

54 months

Wednesday 17th April 2019
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Without looking up any data I'd say it's a rare occurrence.

Funkmachine7

75 posts

104 months

Wednesday 17th April 2019
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At least it cut out any time off for strenuous bail.

Graveworm

8,494 posts

71 months

Wednesday 17th April 2019
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Relatively rare especially for adults but not as rare as it used to be.
I was once doing court security at Bow St Mags in the the late 80's It was a bail app for a murder in an amusement arcade. (Magistrates can't grant bail for murder anymore) One of the "Peripheral" defendants put in an app during which the barrister said that bail was not unheard of in a murder trial. The Stipe said that it was in their court.

jdw100

4,102 posts

164 months

Thursday 18th April 2019
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Many years ago I worked with a lady who had stabbed her boyfriend - he died.

They had a tempestuous relationship.

Came back to their flat after drinking he threw a bunch of keys at her in the kitchen, she picked up a knife and (she said) he was doing some arms wide chest out posturing shouting "do it then' or words to that effect....he ended up with the blade 1cm into his chest.

Incredibly unlucky as it cut into an artery near his heart and he was dead in minutes.

She was out on bail and still working.

It was ruled as a tragic accident and she wasn't jailed.

Looking back (I was 19 at the time) now she didn't seem that concerned, certainly not consumed with grief....

Greendubber

13,168 posts

203 months

Thursday 18th April 2019
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I've seen it a few times due to having to do overnight curfew checks on them. It's not the norm but it certainly does happen now and then.

The Surveyor

7,576 posts

237 months

Thursday 18th April 2019
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Cat said:
That Bail guidance refers to 'him' throughout, is there a more relaxed version when the accused is a 'her'... scratchchin

Graveworm

8,494 posts

71 months

Thursday 18th April 2019
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The Surveyor said:
That Bail guidance refers to 'him' throughout, is there a more relaxed version when the accused is a 'her'... scratchchin
... unless the contrary intention appears … words importing the masculine gender include the feminine … words importing the feminine gender include the masculine … words in the singular include the plural and words in the plural include the singular