RE: BMW Z4 M40i vs. Porsche Boxster GTS
Discussion
herebebeasties said:
Real weight of the BMW has been measured at 1588kg. That's the same as a 4L V8 E92 M3. Or to put it another way, a brand new Lotus Elise Cup 250 plus an entire other S1 Elise on top of that.
It's supposed to be a compact two seat sports car, with extensively talked-up handling, but my four wheel drive Skoda Superb estate weighs the same, fer chrissake! Did they accidentally make it out of lead or something?
Well it is carrying a supra tooIt's supposed to be a compact two seat sports car, with extensively talked-up handling, but my four wheel drive Skoda Superb estate weighs the same, fer chrissake! Did they accidentally make it out of lead or something?
nickfrog said:
Barga said:
Anyway MRP is pretty much irrelevant these days it’s all down to monthlies in most cases!
It can be, although discounts off MRP are as important to compare different ways of paying for the depreciation. Jag_NE said:
The Porsche is almost 50% more expensive as tested!
Yep, it is a bit silly We always aim to keep cars fairly close in terms of value, but this was all that was available. And Z4 v Boxster seemed like the most logical thing to do. Subsequent Z4 tests will be more evenly balanced on cost...Matt
Scottie - NW said:
shiftydave said:
Why does this say that BMW's B58 engine is new? It's been in use since 2015.
Because PH were told this and don't check facts any more.Hasn't it also been in the M140i since 2016?
Matt Bird said:
Scottie - NW said:
shiftydave said:
Why does this say that BMW's B58 engine is new? It's been in use since 2015.
Because PH were told this and don't check facts any more.Hasn't it also been in the M140i since 2016?
dinkel said:
Nerdherder said:
Cheers for that and I would if I would not live in NL Barga said:
nickfrog said:
New Boxsters are definitely less than £75k new. No need to add £20k to the price of a new S. It's quite easy to realise that new Boxters are not £75k, particularly in the context of an article that explains they couldn't get hold of the direct competitor, the S. In fact they are £45k new (2.0) with 50hp more than the original S.
I'd like to think that earnings have grown faster than the the increase in price for a S in 1997 at £40k to today's £52k. That's less than 1.5% a year. I would call that steady.
You did say “there not £74k are they” when in fact the car tested was!I'd like to think that earnings have grown faster than the the increase in price for a S in 1997 at £40k to today's £52k. That's less than 1.5% a year. I would call that steady.
And Jake did say ‘“when did Boxters become £74k.
Anyway MRP is pretty much irrelevant these days it’s all down to monthlies in most cases!
718 Boxster: from 45,935
718 Boxster T: from 53,000
718 Boxster S: from 54,890
718 Boxster GTS: from 62,418
From that, it would've been much fairer if PH compared this Z4 against the entry-level boggo Boxster, as that with just a few options ticked would be 50k plus easy.
A twin-test between the entry-level Boxster and the Z4, I'd take the Z4. But for those prices, my money would go on a lightly-used 981 Cayman GTS
Edited by TobyTR on Wednesday 24th April 05:25
Edited by TobyTR on Wednesday 24th April 05:28
Mac Sinclair said:
When I was getting my Evora serviced I had a look at the Z4, tragic looking thing in the flesh IMO which is such a shame, nothing refined about the design, then there’s the monster grill.
I’ve done the Boxster thing which was great, but £74k that’s nuts. Especially for a car that sounds like a Dyson. For that money money a nice V8 R8 would be possible, better in every way.
For £70k it would have to be something from the Lotus stable, far more subtle handling on a B road. More satisfying in every way and surprisingly my Evora is way more comfortable than my Boxster S ever was on a 300 mile day out.
While the Z4 and Boxster are obvious competitors, sadly neither really now qualifies as a true PH car, then again maybe they never did. Anyway back to the salon ?????
what he said....I’ve done the Boxster thing which was great, but £74k that’s nuts. Especially for a car that sounds like a Dyson. For that money money a nice V8 R8 would be possible, better in every way.
For £70k it would have to be something from the Lotus stable, far more subtle handling on a B road. More satisfying in every way and surprisingly my Evora is way more comfortable than my Boxster S ever was on a 300 mile day out.
While the Z4 and Boxster are obvious competitors, sadly neither really now qualifies as a true PH car, then again maybe they never did. Anyway back to the salon ?????
Wiltshire Lad said:
Mac Sinclair said:
When I was getting my Evora serviced I had a look at the Z4, tragic looking thing in the flesh IMO which is such a shame, nothing refined about the design, then there’s the monster grill.
I’ve done the Boxster thing which was great, but £74k that’s nuts. Especially for a car that sounds like a Dyson. For that money money a nice V8 R8 would be possible, better in every way.
For £70k it would have to be something from the Lotus stable, far more subtle handling on a B road. More satisfying in every way and surprisingly my Evora is way more comfortable than my Boxster S ever was on a 300 mile day out.
While the Z4 and Boxster are obvious competitors, sadly neither really now qualifies as a true PH car, then again maybe they never did. Anyway back to the salon ?????
what he said....I’ve done the Boxster thing which was great, but £74k that’s nuts. Especially for a car that sounds like a Dyson. For that money money a nice V8 R8 would be possible, better in every way.
For £70k it would have to be something from the Lotus stable, far more subtle handling on a B road. More satisfying in every way and surprisingly my Evora is way more comfortable than my Boxster S ever was on a 300 mile day out.
While the Z4 and Boxster are obvious competitors, sadly neither really now qualifies as a true PH car, then again maybe they never did. Anyway back to the salon ?????
Not feeling the z4, proportions are not good especially compared with the original which was very sleek.
I have tried to like it, and have seen it in the flesh at the local dealer but just cant get around the unattractive overhangs and short wheelbase, its almost Alfa Brera level!
Im sure it will sell just on the badge and drive though.
I have tried to like it, and have seen it in the flesh at the local dealer but just cant get around the unattractive overhangs and short wheelbase, its almost Alfa Brera level!
Im sure it will sell just on the badge and drive though.
smilo996 said:
Hope they make an M Coupe, they won't but....
Definitely the Boxster, 90's looks, four cylinder boxer engine, given life by a hair drier. Screams cannot afford a 911.
BMW please.
Funny that, a few years ago a friend of mine had a 911, he also had a Boxster S at the time, he also bought a DB9 and then sold the 911 as he preferred the Boxster to drive. Someone asked if he bought it because he couldn't afford a 911....he said no, he had a 911, preferred the Boxster and also has an Aston Definitely the Boxster, 90's looks, four cylinder boxer engine, given life by a hair drier. Screams cannot afford a 911.
BMW please.
E65Ross said:
Funny that, a few years ago a friend of mine had a 911, he also had a Boxster S at the time, he also bought a DB9 and then sold the 911 as he preferred the Boxster to drive. Someone asked if he bought it because he couldn't afford a 911....he said no, he had a 911, preferred the Boxster and also has an Aston
I also know someone who had both for a while and ditched the 911... however that was a six-cylinder Boxster. Whether the same would have been true of the current car, who knows. I'm not sold on either.
Had an E89 35i DCT which I quite liked, but very much a GT rather than a sports car. Quite quick, looked great but felt a bit removed from the driving experience. Saw one of the new Z4 a week or two ago and was disappointed.
Currently have 981 Black Edition PDK which is definitely a sports car. I had the option to buy (admittedly base spec) 718 vs this late 981 as offered at same price - the 718 was faster and maybe even better handling, but overall the 981 won hands down.
Of the two on offer I'd definitely go for the 982, but in truth I'd prefer to keep my 981 than either.
Had an E89 35i DCT which I quite liked, but very much a GT rather than a sports car. Quite quick, looked great but felt a bit removed from the driving experience. Saw one of the new Z4 a week or two ago and was disappointed.
Currently have 981 Black Edition PDK which is definitely a sports car. I had the option to buy (admittedly base spec) 718 vs this late 981 as offered at same price - the 718 was faster and maybe even better handling, but overall the 981 won hands down.
Of the two on offer I'd definitely go for the 982, but in truth I'd prefer to keep my 981 than either.
smilo996 said:
Hope they make an M Coupe, they won't but....
Definitely the Boxster, 90's looks, four cylinder boxer engine, given life by a hair drier. Screams cannot afford a 911.
BMW please.
What’s wrong with not being able to afford a 911?Definitely the Boxster, 90's looks, four cylinder boxer engine, given life by a hair drier. Screams cannot afford a 911.
BMW please.
In any case: assuming we’re talking about convertibles as that’s what this article is, the Boxster is better looking than a convertible 911 (by miles) and (for many) dynamically superior. If you want an agile and responsive drivers car that looks fabulous, get a manual Boxster. If you want an overstyled boulevard cruiser with a not particularly exciting engine, get the Z4.
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