RE: 'The toughest, most capable Land Rover ever'

RE: 'The toughest, most capable Land Rover ever'

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jhonn

1,556 posts

148 months

Tuesday 30th April 2019
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troika said:
sgtBerbatov said:
I'm not an off road expert, but that doesn't look like it has the same sort of ground clearance of the superior Land Cruiser, let alone the old Land Rover Defender?
Clearance doesn’t look too bad, might even be able to raise it at the push of a button (before it goes wrong). I can’t imagine Toyota are losing any sleep over it.
Indeed - I imagine it will be independent suspension all round with the ability to raise and lower the suspension depending on terrain. Coupled with traction control this will give the ability to take most users where they need to go.

More complicated than the traditional beam axles for sure but this is unlikely to be relevant to their target market; the system will be reliable enough for the first few years and couple of owners probably, by which time it is of no real concern to JLR. They will ensure that it is at least as capable as the traditional Defender off-road - there'll be plenty of marketing videos to demonstrate this. Off-road specialist vehicles like the Pinzgauer and Haflinger have independent suspension and are highly capable.





Tom_Spotley_When

496 posts

156 months

Tuesday 30th April 2019
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NomduJour said:
Just checking - is this another thread where people who have never bought a new Land Rover, and who never will, are telling Land Rover that they won’t buy their new car because they won’t be able to pressure wash the dashboard in the Outback?
Yep.

Next but one car for me, I think. First new Land Rover I'll have purchased.

Petrol, auto, long wheel base. Dark green, no tinted windows, light interior.

I suspect the furthest off-road it'll go is the car-park at the Polo. Lovely.

Dan_1981

17,352 posts

198 months

Tuesday 30th April 2019
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I bet within the next page or so we've got lots of pictures of:

highly modified old trucks,
a suzuki Jimny,
some mass produced Ford / Merc versions,

lots and lots of comments about how the farmers and utility companies are not going to be impressed as

a) No space for dead / pregnant / shagging sheep and
b) No option to install a high lift man up lift to change light bulbs on top of Mt Snowden.


BFleming

3,589 posts

142 months

Tuesday 30th April 2019
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I can actually see the Defender DNA in this picture. The other camo'd models knocking around complete with fake panels do nothing for it, hence the perpetual Disco 4 (or is it 5?!) comments. Anyhow I think it's going to be ace - and I'm not a Defender / LR fan.

Tuvra

7,920 posts

224 months

Tuesday 30th April 2019
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NomduJour said:
Just checking - is this another thread where people who have never bought a new Land Rover, and who never will, are telling Land Rover that they won’t buy their new car because they won’t be able to pressure wash the dashboard in the Outback?
yeshehe

boyse7en

6,671 posts

164 months

Tuesday 30th April 2019
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DoubleByte said:
It seems that way biggrin
They are never going to build a car that has a pick up option for throwing sheep in, all the nostalgic types need to get real.
Isn't that the point of the Defender? I see loads of old ones rattling around this area and they are nearly all pickups with an Ifor Williams canopy over, usually with a sheepdog or couple of mad spaniels looking over the tailboard.
I can't remember the last time I saw a four door version on the roads.

I realise that a lot of the "must haves" listed by other PHers are very specific and not likely to come to fruition, but the point of the LR over its stablemates has always been the versatility of body shapes available. Monocoque construction may make that more difficult to achieve but without a pickup option then farmers/contractors are very unlikely to switch over from their Ford Rangers/Toyota Hilux/Isuzu crew-cabs.

kambites

67,461 posts

220 months

Tuesday 30th April 2019
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boyse7en said:
I realise that a lot of the "must haves" listed by other PHers are very specific and not likely to come to fruition, but the point of the LR over its stablemates has always been the versatility of body shapes available. Monocoque construction may make that more difficult to achieve but without a pickup option then farmers/contractors are very unlikely to switch over from their Ford Rangers/Toyota Hilux/Isuzu crew-cabs.
I think that's rather the point; this isn't going to be aimed at those sorts of people. The old defender lost those markets anyway due to frankly not being good enough compared to the the Japanese pickups which have come to dominate it. The Defender became a cult thing more than a workhorse and it seems likely from the direction they're pursuing that JLR have no desire to change that.

Davie

4,733 posts

214 months

Tuesday 30th April 2019
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The car aside, got to hand it to Land Rovers PR squad as they've done well at making sure the whole world knows about this thing... they've been busy testing in the city's eh, New York, Dubai, London... must have forgotten about the likes of Wick high street on a wet Thursday morning but it's grand that it's been off-roading in all the worlds hot spots too. I don't think I've ever seen any other car get as much press as this, so you can only hope that for all their millions of miles of testing and globe spanning forays, the actual car doesn't turn out to be a massive disappointment. However, I concur... and I very much doubt old Jocky from the farm up the road will be seen trying to drag 5 tons of bales out a wet field with one whilst his rather miffed looking Collie runs riot in the back having chewed the dash and the seats for lunch.

The Mad Monk

10,474 posts

116 months

Tuesday 30th April 2019
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Tom_Spotley_When said:
Yep.

Next but one car for me, I think. First new Land Rover I'll have purchased.

Petrol, auto, long wheel base. Dark green, no tinted windows, light interior.

I suspect the furthest off-road it'll go is the car-park at the Polo. Lovely.
Yep.

Good idea.

What could possibly go wrong?

polar_ben

1,413 posts

258 months

Tuesday 30th April 2019
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sgtBerbatov said:
I'm not an off road expert, but that doesn't look like it has the same sort of ground clearance of the superior Land Cruiser, let alone the old Land Rover Defender?
Current Discovery 5 has 2.5 inches more ground clearance than a 2019 Land Cruiser nerd

And the new Defender is sensational. I've seen five of them now without cladding, but I'm not allowed to say anything more than that...

ntiz

2,328 posts

135 months

Tuesday 30th April 2019
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polar_ben said:
sgtBerbatov said:
I'm not an off road expert, but that doesn't look like it has the same sort of ground clearance of the superior Land Cruiser, let alone the old Land Rover Defender?
Current Discovery 5 has 2.5 inches more ground clearance than a 2019 Land Cruiser nerd

And the new Defender is sensational. I've seen five of them now without cladding, but I'm not allowed to say anything more than that...
A friend has a done a bit of work on the project and he is genuinely excited about it.

Obviously he won’t say much but apparently it definitely looks like a Defender.

Burwood

18,709 posts

245 months

Tuesday 30th April 2019
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It will look just like these. There isn't any mystery really




CS Garth

2,860 posts

104 months

Tuesday 30th April 2019
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Burwood said:
It will look just like these. There isn't any mystery really



Assuming they do I’m going to be all over a twin cab pick up like a tramp on chips

The Leaper

4,937 posts

205 months

Tuesday 30th April 2019
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Comments here are so predictable.

"It looks like a D4."
"It is based on a D5."
"It has to look like a Defender but it doesn't".
"It looks like all other LR/RR products".

What do people expect? To look like an old Defender designed years ago, so long ago that it would now fail all relevant vehicle tests?

I suppose these people will be Land Cruiser owners in future.

I wonder what the comments will be once it's available and driven?

R.

Osinjak

5,453 posts

120 months

Tuesday 30th April 2019
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tomw2000 said:
I like the idea of a new Defender but just worry it'll break down every 13 minutes.

(And yes I realise not every individual LR vehicle does this - in fact I've had 2 or 3 that have been totally fine. And I've got a 2004 TD5 Defender currently).
Lucky chap. I've had my Approved Used RRS for five months and the bd thing has already spent five weeks in the dealership 'being fixed.' When it works I love it but I live in perpetual fear of it destroying itself.

Varelco

401 posts

62 months

Tuesday 30th April 2019
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All these complaints that it's just a Discovery despite it being completely cladded. Not sure what kind of shape people were expecting?

Have you seen Audis line up and all their predecessors? The only brand where I've had to Google the outgoing model to figure out what's different.

funkyrobot

18,789 posts

227 months

Tuesday 30th April 2019
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It'll break down before it gets near a field.

300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

189 months

Tuesday 30th April 2019
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'The toughest, most capable Land Rover ever'


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smilo996

2,755 posts

169 months

Tuesday 30th April 2019
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The usual suspects moaning about progress.
The Defender was a huge leap forward from the Series with all its new fangled tech like coil springs, diesels, turbo diesels, and chelsea tractor bling like a plastic dash, mats, decent seats, inertia reel seat belts and a radio. Many Defos were made in SA with a German engine and many made under the ownership of zee germans.
This model is where the Defender would be if it had been incrementally upgraded instead of done in one jump anyway.
Making it in Slovakia will ensure a lower unit cost so they can keep it simpler and make more variants.
The first Ranger Rover looked nothing like the Defender but that is now cherished.
As long as it is reliable, all good.

300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

189 months

Tuesday 30th April 2019
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uremaw said:
I was disappointed until I saw the final picture - where a lot of the cladding has been removed. There are definitely very strong Defender cues there - especially from the B pillar back. Quietly optimistic...
lol I think you may need a visit to specsavers!!! biggrinbiggrin





I can see a lot of Discovery 3/4 or maybe Shogun.....