RE: Toyota GR Supra: Driven
Discussion
Difficult to compare this to the original. The OG was an icon of it's time, and people of a certain age will always look on this new model as a poor imitation of the real deal. In it's day was the old one really that remarkable? Maybe it was just pretty average like this and only in hindsight do we look back on it with fondness....
Personally, I think ths design is unimaginative, it could be a GT86, a Mazda or whatever. This won't stand out amongst the mundane. It has a small "arse" that looks out of proportion, it's aggressive cuts/vents/spoilers do nothing, in my opinion. Whether it's faster around a lap of whatever than the old one, who gives a s
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Wasn't the old one famous for being able to release monster amounts of power, relatively cheaply. I don't think that it is the case with this one. That's where my money would go - a well maintained old one with a few power tweaks if I thought that it was necessary.
Personally, I think ths design is unimaginative, it could be a GT86, a Mazda or whatever. This won't stand out amongst the mundane. It has a small "arse" that looks out of proportion, it's aggressive cuts/vents/spoilers do nothing, in my opinion. Whether it's faster around a lap of whatever than the old one, who gives a s
t.Wasn't the old one famous for being able to release monster amounts of power, relatively cheaply. I don't think that it is the case with this one. That's where my money would go - a well maintained old one with a few power tweaks if I thought that it was necessary.
sr.guiri said:
Difficult to compare this to the original. The OG was an icon of it's time, and people of a certain age will always look on this new model as a poor imitation of the real deal.
Pretty sure you're not actually referring to the original supra. I've never heard anyone mention that as being an 'OG' icon. The mk4 maybe, but not the original.
Pie-n-Peys said:
sr.guiri said:
Difficult to compare this to the original. The OG was an icon of it's time, and people of a certain age will always look on this new model as a poor imitation of the real deal.
Pretty sure you're not actually referring to the original supra. I've never heard anyone mention that as being an 'OG' icon. The mk4 maybe, but not the original.
Time passing lends things more validity and credence, more goodwill and more people have more experiences and positive memories, the new thing always takes a while to get used to, there was a time where "OG" Supra was in the wilderness, avaialble in the classifieds from a grand up for a ropey NA auto and even turbos were fairly affordable.
Sometimes time needs to pass before things can be judged, after all so many people love religion sand imagine, if it didnt exist if someone said no Bacon, no sex before marriage and no booze, amazing what you get used to, like Stockholm syndrome.
So gripes about styling and it being a BMW aside, its alright, bet its pretty decent, I would rather have an Alpine but even thats no looker.
Very disappointing car. Looks like a kid's toy. Small wheelbase looks odd. I just don't buy the whole "it was too expensive to make a 6 cylinder" nonsense from Toyota. If the biggest car maker in the world can't make a 6 cyclinder then who can? So, they go to BMW and get their oil-leaky, unreliable 6 cyclinder garbage. Personally, it was wink and a nod from both Toyoya and BMW to each other so that Toyota can try and re-ignite some sales and launch a new car and BMW can revive their dying Z4 again. This is an insult to all those people who are car enthusiasts and enjoyed the Mk4 Supra and the heritage it brought with it.
To those who say "well if it wasn't for the alliance with BMW then there would be no Mk5 Supra". My response is; who forced them to make a Supra again? It was dead for 20 years. Should've left it alone, dead is sometimes better.
To those who say "well if it wasn't for the alliance with BMW then there would be no Mk5 Supra". My response is; who forced them to make a Supra again? It was dead for 20 years. Should've left it alone, dead is sometimes better.
J4CKO said:
robertmcf99 said:
What a lard ass. 1570kgs. 470 more than the Alpine. And no doubt you would feel every the extra kilos at every turn.
Same weight as the MK4 then,An Alpine is an entirely different class of car, 90 bhp less and two cylinders down, mid engined vs front engined, and probably less kit.
E65Ross said:
300bhp/ton said:
E65Ross said:
Because it's easier, in the same way changing my TV channel using a remote control is easier than pressing the button on the TV.
Daft point supported by a daft comment 
With the automatic parking brake on my old 7 series this was how it worked:
Drive along and come to a stop. Once stopped, the automatic parking brake would come on. You remove your foot from the brake pedal and you don't move. You then put your foot on the accelerator, the parking brake releases and you move off.
I can't see how this is worse than a manual parking brake? It never failed, it never needed adjusting (like several manual handbrakes do when cable tension reduces). For general driving and parking, how is a manual brake better than that? It occupies extra space in the cabin, too.
Plus stops you doing things like handbrake turns and the like. Which while not essential are part of the 'fun' of driving. And very handy if in a few years time you want to partake in things like auto-solo's or other motoring disciplines.
Essentially all the benefits such a thing brings should be surpless to requirement on a car such as this.
foxhounduk said:
Very disappointing car. Looks like a kid's toy. Small wheelbase looks odd. I just don't buy the whole "it was too expensive to make a 6 cylinder" nonsense from Toyota. If the biggest car maker in the world can't make a 6 cyclinder then who can? So, they go to BMW and get their oil-leaky, unreliable 6 cyclinder garbage. Personally, it was wink and a nod from both Toyoya and BMW to each other so that Toyota can try and re-ignite some sales and launch a new car and BMW can revive their dying Z4 again. This is an insult to all those people who are car enthusiasts and enjoyed the Mk4 Supra and the heritage it brought with it.
To those who say "well if it wasn't for the alliance with BMW then there would be no Mk5 Supra". My response is; who forced them to make a Supra again? It was dead for 20 years. Should've left it alone, dead is sometimes better.
Oil-leaky, unreliable 6 cyclinder [sp] garbage?? To those who say "well if it wasn't for the alliance with BMW then there would be no Mk5 Supra". My response is; who forced them to make a Supra again? It was dead for 20 years. Should've left it alone, dead is sometimes better.
300bhp/ton said:
I understand al that and for a luxury barge or maybe even a city car. Where in both instances the "driving" bit isn't really important, I think it suites. But for a car intended as the "driving" bit as it's main focus, it seems like unneeded complexity and further detachment.
Plus stops you doing things like handbrake turns and the like. Which while not essential are part of the 'fun' of driving. And very handy if in a few years time you want to partake in things like auto-solo's or other motoring disciplines.
Essentially all the benefits such a thing brings should be surpless to requirement on a car such as this.
A parking brake is the ease of parking. Sod all to do with driving....unless you are 12 and see handbrake turns as important...Plus stops you doing things like handbrake turns and the like. Which while not essential are part of the 'fun' of driving. And very handy if in a few years time you want to partake in things like auto-solo's or other motoring disciplines.
Essentially all the benefits such a thing brings should be surpless to requirement on a car such as this.
SydneySE said:
the MkV supra was often compared against the 8 series BMWs of the day...
Would that have been because the 8 Series was the only real coupe offered at that time? Do you have any group tests articles with both cars. Not saying it didn't happen, but I don't recall seeing any.Ares said:
Oil-leaky, unreliable 6 cyclinder [sp] garbage??
Yes. I have had 7 BMW's since 1994, starting with an E34 5 series, every single one has had problems with engline lights coming on, oil leaks in the under tray, you name it. I tried to be a loyal fan to BMW, I really did. The last one I owned a few years ago was a 335D, boost hose blew. That was the last straw! I have never gone back to BMW ever again . It's the same with a lot of other BMW owners I know.And to marry a BMW engine with Toyota's legendary reliability is a blunder in my opinion.
Ares said:
A parking brake is the ease of parking. Sod all to do with driving....unless you are 12 and see handbrake turns as important...
What 12 year olds drive cars? Maybe spinning the wheels isn't something an adult should do either https://www.mumsnet.com/
foxhounduk said:
Very disappointing car. Looks like a kid's toy. Small wheelbase looks odd. I just don't buy the whole "it was too expensive to make a 6 cylinder" nonsense from Toyota. If the biggest car maker in the world can't make a 6 cyclinder then who can? So, they go to BMW and get their oil-leaky, unreliable 6 cyclinder garbage. Personally, it was wink and a nod from both Toyoya and BMW to each other so that Toyota can try and re-ignite some sales and launch a new car and BMW can revive their dying Z4 again. This is an insult to all those people who are car enthusiasts and enjoyed the Mk4 Supra and the heritage it brought with it.
To those who say "well if it wasn't for the alliance with BMW then there would be no Mk5 Supra". My response is; who forced them to make a Supra again? It was dead for 20 years. Should've left it alone, dead is sometimes better.
To those who say "well if it wasn't for the alliance with BMW then there would be no Mk5 Supra". My response is; who forced them to make a Supra again? It was dead for 20 years. Should've left it alone, dead is sometimes better.
foxhounduk said:
And to marry a BMW engine with Toyota's legendary reliability is a blunder in my opinion.
I've had 7 Bmw's and I've never had an issue with any of them reliability wise(the V8 4.8 in my X5 did leak oil but nothing major). I was shocked at the American review that I watched on the Supra and he absolutely slated the reliability of the Bmw engine. I genuinely didn't realise that they had such a bad reputation over there. The reviewer said that it should have a Toyota engine for guaranteed reliability. Maybe I've just been lucky but I don't associate Bmw engines with unreliability at all.
foxhounduk said:
Ares said:
Oil-leaky, unreliable 6 cyclinder [sp] garbage??
Yes. I have had 7 BMW's since 1994, starting with an E34 5 series, every single one has had problems with engline lights coming on, oil leaks in the under tray, you name it. I tried to be a loyal fan to BMW, I really did. The last one I owned a few years ago was a 335D, boost hose blew. That was the last straw! I have never gone back to BMW ever again . It's the same with a lot of other BMW owners I know.And to marry a BMW engine with Toyota's legendary reliability is a blunder in my opinion.
k, ever thought it was you?? I've never had an issue. Nor has anyone I've ever known since one with a 1990s 28i VANOS issue.But this is a totally different engine?
300bhp/ton said:
Ares said:
A parking brake is the ease of parking. Sod all to do with driving....unless you are 12 and see handbrake turns as important...
What 12 year olds drive cars? Maybe spinning the wheels isn't something an adult should do either https://www.mumsnet.com/
And spinning wheels has nothing to do with a parking brake? It's about your right foot, not your left hand. HTH.
www.learntodrive.com/
Ares said:
foxhounduk said:
Very disappointing car. Looks like a kid's toy. Small wheelbase looks odd. I just don't buy the whole "it was too expensive to make a 6 cylinder" nonsense from Toyota. If the biggest car maker in the world can't make a 6 cyclinder then who can? So, they go to BMW and get their oil-leaky, unreliable 6 cyclinder garbage. Personally, it was wink and a nod from both Toyoya and BMW to each other so that Toyota can try and re-ignite some sales and launch a new car and BMW can revive their dying Z4 again. This is an insult to all those people who are car enthusiasts and enjoyed the Mk4 Supra and the heritage it brought with it.
To those who say "well if it wasn't for the alliance with BMW then there would be no Mk5 Supra". My response is; who forced them to make a Supra again? It was dead for 20 years. Should've left it alone, dead is sometimes better.
Oil-leaky, unreliable 6 cylinder [sp] garbage?? To those who say "well if it wasn't for the alliance with BMW then there would be no Mk5 Supra". My response is; who forced them to make a Supra again? It was dead for 20 years. Should've left it alone, dead is sometimes better.
- Except for residue from the time I misjudged how much oil a 5.5 litre Mercedes holds relative to the container provided
Its not like Supra engines never failed, I had a MK3 Turbo for a couple of days until the HG went and I fired it back at the dealer.
Ares said:
fk, ever thought it was you?? I've never had an issue. Nor has anyone I've ever known since one with a 1990s 28i VANOS issue.
But this is a totally different engine?
No need to get angry my friend. "Ever thought it was you?" What kind of question is that. So, every single BMW car I have had, has had engine faults due to me? lol.k, ever thought it was you?? I've never had an issue. Nor has anyone I've ever known since one with a 1990s 28i VANOS issue.But this is a totally different engine?
Just search Google and see how many people have problems.
Let me guide you here as a starting point: https://jalopnik.com/bmw-engines-are-gigantic-piec...
Edited by foxhounduk on Thursday 16th May 14:00
foxhounduk said:
Ares said:
fk, ever thought it was you?? I've never had an issue. Nor has anyone I've ever known since one with a 1990s 28i VANOS issue.
But this is a totally different engine?
No need to get angry my friend. "Ever thought it was you?" What kind of question is that. So, every single BMW car I have had, has had engine faults due to me? lol.k, ever thought it was you?? I've never had an issue. Nor has anyone I've ever known since one with a 1990s 28i VANOS issue.But this is a totally different engine?
Just search Google and see how many people have problems.
Let me guide you here as a starting point: https://jalopnik.com/bmw-engines-are-gigantic-piec...
Edited by Ares on Thursday 16th May 14:04
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