RE: Toyota GR Supra: Driven
Discussion
I may not share the majority view but i'm actually a little saddened by this car. I have no doubt (and tests prove it) that it's fast and it's striking to look at and I'm sure it will handle pretty decently too.
However, (and the answer that "everyone is doing it" doesn't justify this) it doesn't have enough of its own identity. If the engine shared a BMW block but then everything else was different, that's one thing but this is in many ways a restyled coupe version of a BMW Z4. Or at least way too many steps towards being so.
The MK4 Supra was utterly iconic and like a Land Rover Defender, it has near-mythical status. Somehow Toyota have created a car that technically ticks many boxes but doesn't have a clear identity of its own. And when you team up with BMW, one thing is for sure, you won't be allowed to dramatically eclipse one of their own products. This disappoints me greatly. (And lots of fake vents is inexcusable. The MK4 vent was functional)
However, (and the answer that "everyone is doing it" doesn't justify this) it doesn't have enough of its own identity. If the engine shared a BMW block but then everything else was different, that's one thing but this is in many ways a restyled coupe version of a BMW Z4. Or at least way too many steps towards being so.
The MK4 Supra was utterly iconic and like a Land Rover Defender, it has near-mythical status. Somehow Toyota have created a car that technically ticks many boxes but doesn't have a clear identity of its own. And when you team up with BMW, one thing is for sure, you won't be allowed to dramatically eclipse one of their own products. This disappoints me greatly. (And lots of fake vents is inexcusable. The MK4 vent was functional)
kambites said:
I suppose the ZF8 might be quite a lot heavier than the 7-speed DCT in the M2 but there has always been curiously little difference in weight between the 1-series, 2-series, 3-series, 4-series and Z4.
Aren't the 1 to 4 basically modified versions of the same platform? In which case you'd expect similar attributes.“ and the sudden engine braking jolt you get with every downshift in Sport mode both feels just right for a sports car as apparently purposeful as this one, while also helping to settle the rear end as you dive into a braking zone.”
Surely an engine braking jolt would unsettle the rear? Should these ZF8 boxes not have near flawless changes as they are coming down through the box?
Surely an engine braking jolt would unsettle the rear? Should these ZF8 boxes not have near flawless changes as they are coming down through the box?
Addymk2 said:
Bencolem said:
The more I read about this new Supra the more I get the impression that Toyota deliberately ‘held it back’ to allow for the tuner market. I get that with the GT86 - and I get that with the used Supra’s - but it feels like quite a niche market to expect a similar demographic to do this with a £50,000 base car. I suppose people option Cayman’s to £90k, but ‘that’s a Porsche’...
You say that, but look at every GTR in the classifieds.It's only the UK where there is a stigma on tuning 'expensive' cars.
Throughout SE Asia there are Lamborghini's, Ferarri's, McLaren's, porsches etc all "modified" with after market engine, induction and bodykit parts, this Supra will be pocket change to many of them.
k up. Anyway, here 'tis, and in the story, freshly shot in RHD with Radio 2 on...
"The ride is very good, the steering is light, boot space is very generous and visibility plenty good enough. None of that speaks to me of a sports car designed and engineered without compromise."
Isn't that what you've been saying about McLaren's for a number of years now though?
Isn't that what you've been saying about McLaren's for a number of years now though?
Edited by E65Ross on Wednesday 15th May 09:07
janesmith1950 said:
more than double the price of an M140 for what is that same power unit seems a bit steep
An M140i lists at £34,700, so this is no-where near double the price.The line up of £50k sports coupes seems pretty impressive these days, but when I look into it i find nothing that I actually want to own (and if I did, I’d order it in a heartbeat). Maybe I’m on my own, but I think my basic requirements are:
- Great steering feel (EPAS seems to have ended this)
- Engine with entertaining top end (as sports car should sing when it’s being wrung by the scruff of its neck, not just have lazy easily available power)
- Reasonable weight (I’m not someone that thinks in needs to be under a tonne, but 1300kgs would be nice)
- Mod cons to make it a great daily
Anyone got any suggestions?
I simply can't understand the negativity on this. It looks to me like an updated and more aggressive version of the original done really nicely, modern version of a very dated looking car. I actually quite like it!
The performance figures are pretty impressive especially considering the price
It isn't the sort of car I would buy but it looks decent to me. I'm not really up on new car prices as I tend to buy 8-10 year old cars on the whole but you can't really knock the car's performance and that's before tuning too. Must be easily able to get into the 3's 0-60 with a simple remap and that's GTR / R8 V10 territory for a much lower price like-for-like
ETA if this is the same price as an M2 then forget it!
The performance figures are pretty impressive especially considering the price
It isn't the sort of car I would buy but it looks decent to me. I'm not really up on new car prices as I tend to buy 8-10 year old cars on the whole but you can't really knock the car's performance and that's before tuning too. Must be easily able to get into the 3's 0-60 with a simple remap and that's GTR / R8 V10 territory for a much lower price like-for-like
ETA if this is the same price as an M2 then forget it!
"And whereas the sound it makes is growly and even tuneful, you'll never shake the sense that an overly restrictive exhaust system is smothering the more spine-tingling notes (Tada-san himself has admitted as much, pointing to ever-stricter emissions and drive-by noise regulations)."
Still fail to understand why the manufactures are not offering warranty friendly exhaust upgrades when the car lands at the dealers? My old RS4 was an awesome car in every department bar the sound of the thing. Damn you modern Regs
TX.
Still fail to understand why the manufactures are not offering warranty friendly exhaust upgrades when the car lands at the dealers? My old RS4 was an awesome car in every department bar the sound of the thing. Damn you modern Regs
TX.
The Mk IV Supra didn’t get that many reviews for being an inspirational drive, but was rapid - Autocar lapped an auto version as fast as an Esprit Sport 300. It also had bomb proof mechanicals that were more than up to heavy tuning. I suspect were it new the Mk IV would cost more than the current car.
I’m so far unconvinced the new car has the same focus. And that the BMW / ZF mechanicals will have the same durability when dialled up. The looks are overblown for me, but the A90 was a grower as well.
I’m so far unconvinced the new car has the same focus. And that the BMW / ZF mechanicals will have the same durability when dialled up. The looks are overblown for me, but the A90 was a grower as well.
hufggfg said:
janesmith1950 said:
more than double the price of an M140 for what is that same power unit seems a bit steep
An M140i lists at £34,700, so this is no-where near double the price.The line up of £50k sports coupes seems pretty impressive these days, but when I look into it i find nothing that I actually want to own (and if I did, I’d order it in a heartbeat). Maybe I’m on my own, but I think my basic requirements are:
- Great steering feel (EPAS seems to have ended this)
- Engine with entertaining top end (as sports car should sing when it’s being wrung by the scruff of its neck, not just have lazy easily available power)
- Reasonable weight (I’m not someone that thinks in needs to be under a tonne, but 1300kgs would be nice)
- Mod cons to make it a great daily
Anyone got any suggestions?
If not, then a 911 is one answer (sorry to be so predictable).
E.g. https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
If it must be new then how about an Alpine A110? It has enough mod cons but I suppose the engine might not exactly hit the spot.
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