RE: Toyota GR Supra: Driven

RE: Toyota GR Supra: Driven

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kambites

56,511 posts

162 months

Wednesday 15th May
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janesmith1950 said:
There must be good margin in it, as Toyota haven't had to spend very much on the engine and gearbox development, or infotainment/electrical.
Depends how much they're paying BMW for the bits!

Fire99

9,550 posts

170 months

Wednesday 15th May
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I may not share the majority view but i'm actually a little saddened by this car. I have no doubt (and tests prove it) that it's fast and it's striking to look at and I'm sure it will handle pretty decently too.
However, (and the answer that "everyone is doing it" doesn't justify this) it doesn't have enough of its own identity. If the engine shared a BMW block but then everything else was different, that's one thing but this is in many ways a restyled coupe version of a BMW Z4. Or at least way too many steps towards being so.

The MK4 Supra was utterly iconic and like a Land Rover Defender, it has near-mythical status. Somehow Toyota have created a car that technically ticks many boxes but doesn't have a clear identity of its own. And when you team up with BMW, one thing is for sure, you won't be allowed to dramatically eclipse one of their own products. This disappoints me greatly. (And lots of fake vents is inexcusable. The MK4 vent was functional)

janesmith1950

2,821 posts

36 months

Wednesday 15th May
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kambites said:
I suppose the ZF8 might be quite a lot heavier than the 7-speed DCT in the M2 but there has always been curiously little difference in weight between the 1-series, 2-series, 3-series, 4-series and Z4.
Aren't the 1 to 4 basically modified versions of the same platform? In which case you'd expect similar attributes.

Redline88

114 posts

47 months

Wednesday 15th May
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“ and the sudden engine braking jolt you get with every downshift in Sport mode both feels just right for a sports car as apparently purposeful as this one, while also helping to settle the rear end as you dive into a braking zone.”

Surely an engine braking jolt would unsettle the rear? Should these ZF8 boxes not have near flawless changes as they are coming down through the box?

Harry_523

106 posts

40 months

Wednesday 15th May
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Now over to Litchfeild for another 120hp and some proper brakes! if there's one thing you shouldn;t take from BMW, its the bloody brakes...

Manual would be nice too, the ones laying around from the m140/240 should do nicely
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siwhit

9 posts

122 months

Wednesday 15th May
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Matt Watson’s review was the complete opposite of this. He loved pretty much everything about it.
Most buyers will want some everyday usability. The old Supra was more GT than sports car until the tuners got their hands on them

XJSJohn

14,988 posts

160 months

Wednesday 15th May
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Addymk2 said:
Bencolem said:
The more I read about this new Supra the more I get the impression that Toyota deliberately ‘held it back’ to allow for the tuner market. I get that with the GT86 - and I get that with the used Supra’s - but it feels like quite a niche market to expect a similar demographic to do this with a £50,000 base car. I suppose people option Cayman’s to £90k, but ‘that’s a Porsche’...
You say that, but look at every GTR in the classifieds.

It's only the UK where there is a stigma on tuning 'expensive' cars.
This - Asia will love this thing - the Fast and Furious generation that are now in well paid jobs out there will lap this up and mod it just like the Grand Turisimo generation before did with the GT-R.

Throughout SE Asia there are Lamborghini's, Ferarri's, McLaren's, porsches etc all "modified" with after market engine, induction and bodykit parts, this Supra will be pocket change to many of them.

T-195

486 posts

2 months

Wednesday 15th May
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Supra Ugly.

Matt Bird

1,063 posts

146 months

PH Reportery Lad

Wednesday 15th May
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Hi all,

Apologies for omission of a Supra interior pic - my fk up. Anyway, here 'tis, and in the story, freshly shot in RHD with Radio 2 on...



Cheers!


Matt

E65Ross

22,425 posts

153 months

Wednesday 15th May
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"The ride is very good, the steering is light, boot space is very generous and visibility plenty good enough. None of that speaks to me of a sports car designed and engineered without compromise."

Isn't that what you've been saying about McLaren's for a number of years now though?

Edited by E65Ross on Wednesday 15th May 09:07

Oakman

157 posts

99 months

Wednesday 15th May
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mrtwisty said:
I'm afraid the only phrase I can think of while looking at it is 'dog's dinner'.
Exactly what I thought, especially the bizarre rear three quarters.

The Emperors powers are strong with this one.....

wab172uk

1,294 posts

168 months

Wednesday 15th May
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Still looks over fussy to be. But I am starting to warm to it. Looks quite nice in Yellow.

It really needs a manual gearbox though. Such a shame.

hufggfg

550 posts

134 months

Wednesday 15th May
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janesmith1950 said:
more than double the price of an M140 for what is that same power unit seems a bit steep
An M140i lists at £34,700, so this is no-where near double the price.

The line up of £50k sports coupes seems pretty impressive these days, but when I look into it i find nothing that I actually want to own (and if I did, I’d order it in a heartbeat). Maybe I’m on my own, but I think my basic requirements are:

- Great steering feel (EPAS seems to have ended this)
- Engine with entertaining top end (as sports car should sing when it’s being wrung by the scruff of its neck, not just have lazy easily available power)
- Reasonable weight (I’m not someone that thinks in needs to be under a tonne, but 1300kgs would be nice)
- Mod cons to make it a great daily

Anyone got any suggestions?

jakesmith

3,878 posts

112 months

Wednesday 15th May
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I simply can't understand the negativity on this. It looks to me like an updated and more aggressive version of the original done really nicely, modern version of a very dated looking car. I actually quite like it!

The performance figures are pretty impressive especially considering the price

It isn't the sort of car I would buy but it looks decent to me. I'm not really up on new car prices as I tend to buy 8-10 year old cars on the whole but you can't really knock the car's performance and that's before tuning too. Must be easily able to get into the 3's 0-60 with a simple remap and that's GTR / R8 V10 territory for a much lower price like-for-like

ETA if this is the same price as an M2 then forget it!

cerb4.5lee

11,350 posts

121 months

Wednesday 15th May
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I should really like this because I love Jap stuff and I love Bmw's, but I feel it should at least be offered with a manual gearbox and the last Supra was a giant killer in some ways...whereas this just joins the herd. A shame for me, the look of it is growing on me though.

kambites

56,511 posts

162 months

Wednesday 15th May
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hufggfg said:
Anyone got any suggestions?
The Alpine? The engine character might not be entirely what you want though. Otherwise you probably need to stretch to an Evora.

Terminator X

7,388 posts

145 months

Wednesday 15th May
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"And whereas the sound it makes is growly and even tuneful, you'll never shake the sense that an overly restrictive exhaust system is smothering the more spine-tingling notes (Tada-san himself has admitted as much, pointing to ever-stricter emissions and drive-by noise regulations)."

Still fail to understand why the manufactures are not offering warranty friendly exhaust upgrades when the car lands at the dealers? My old RS4 was an awesome car in every department bar the sound of the thing. Damn you modern Regs mad

TX.

Augustus Windsock

1,668 posts

96 months

Wednesday 15th May
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The side view has the appearance of a truncated Dodge Viper to me (but perhaps I should have gone to SpecSavers..?)
However, when I see this;

I can’t help but see this..

Baddie

329 posts

158 months

Wednesday 15th May
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The Mk IV Supra didn’t get that many reviews for being an inspirational drive, but was rapid - Autocar lapped an auto version as fast as an Esprit Sport 300. It also had bomb proof mechanicals that were more than up to heavy tuning. I suspect were it new the Mk IV would cost more than the current car.

I’m so far unconvinced the new car has the same focus. And that the BMW / ZF mechanicals will have the same durability when dialled up. The looks are overblown for me, but the A90 was a grower as well.

TWPC

617 posts

102 months

Wednesday 15th May
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hufggfg said:
janesmith1950 said:
more than double the price of an M140 for what is that same power unit seems a bit steep
An M140i lists at £34,700, so this is no-where near double the price.

The line up of £50k sports coupes seems pretty impressive these days, but when I look into it i find nothing that I actually want to own (and if I did, I’d order it in a heartbeat). Maybe I’m on my own, but I think my basic requirements are:

- Great steering feel (EPAS seems to have ended this)
- Engine with entertaining top end (as sports car should sing when it’s being wrung by the scruff of its neck, not just have lazy easily available power)
- Reasonable weight (I’m not someone that thinks in needs to be under a tonne, but 1300kgs would be nice)
- Mod cons to make it a great daily

Anyone got any suggestions?
Does it have to be a new car?

If not, then a 911 is one answer (sorry to be so predictable).
E.g. https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

If it must be new then how about an Alpine A110? It has enough mod cons but I suppose the engine might not exactly hit the spot.