RE: Toyota GR Supra: Driven
Discussion
One thing people seem to be missing is that Tada San said from the outset they are giving people a canvas to work with and expects these cars to be tuned.
When asked why Toyota didn't do it from the outset, he said that's what tuners do and this is the essence of what the car has been designed to be.
Tuners were given the car before launch to work with, and one has pulled 700bhp from that engine. 500bhp will be no issue at all and could turn this into a proper weapon.
Have one on order and test drive event is late June do will find out more then.
When asked why Toyota didn't do it from the outset, he said that's what tuners do and this is the essence of what the car has been designed to be.
Tuners were given the car before launch to work with, and one has pulled 700bhp from that engine. 500bhp will be no issue at all and could turn this into a proper weapon.
Have one on order and test drive event is late June do will find out more then.
jakesmith said:
I simply can't understand the negativity on this. It looks to me like an updated and more aggressive version of the original done really nicely, modern version of a very dated looking car. I actually quite like it!
The performance figures are pretty impressive especially considering the price
It isn't the sort of car I would buy but it looks decent to me. I'm not really up on new car prices as I tend to buy 8-10 year old cars on the whole but you can't really knock the car's performance and that's before tuning too. Must be easily able to get into the 3's 0-60 with a simple remap and that's GTR / R8 V10 territory for a much lower price like-for-like
ETA if this is the same price as an M2 then forget it!
+1 to all the aboveThe performance figures are pretty impressive especially considering the price
It isn't the sort of car I would buy but it looks decent to me. I'm not really up on new car prices as I tend to buy 8-10 year old cars on the whole but you can't really knock the car's performance and that's before tuning too. Must be easily able to get into the 3's 0-60 with a simple remap and that's GTR / R8 V10 territory for a much lower price like-for-like
ETA if this is the same price as an M2 then forget it!
hufggfg said:
janesmith1950 said:
more than double the price of an M140 for what is that same power unit seems a bit steep
An M140i lists at £34,700, so this is no-where near double the price.The line up of £50k sports coupes seems pretty impressive these days, but when I look into it i find nothing that I actually want to own (and if I did, I’d order it in a heartbeat). Maybe I’m on my own, but I think my basic requirements are:
- Great steering feel (EPAS seems to have ended this)
- Engine with entertaining top end (as sports car should sing when it’s being wrung by the scruff of its neck, not just have lazy easily available power)
- Reasonable weight (I’m not someone that thinks in needs to be under a tonne, but 1300kgs would be nice)
- Mod cons to make it a great daily
Anyone got any suggestions?
Flyinv said:
The most impressive thing for me has been hearing Tada-san talk about the reliability and durability testing they did on the B58 motor to make it meet Toyota standards. It's reliability that will ultimately turn this car into a cult hero with lasting appeal like it's predecessor and other Japanese hero's.
This is surprising. So do they get specially built engines, build them themselves, or get BMW to male chamges?Gahhhh, again with the nonsense about "50/50 weight distribution" and engines being pushed back.
Could someone who writes about cars for a living please look up the concept of mass centralisation rather than simple distribution.
Thanks.
Oh and as for the Supra. Hmmm, not sure what to make of it yet. I was never a great fan of the old one to be honest, as it was always more of a rapid GT car rather than delicate sportscar being a big old bus in terms of dimensions.
This one not having rear seats is a problem for me on that front, it is now a fairly hefty 2 seater sportscar rather than being a usable every day car with the option of having some people in the back, or more realistically, fitting kids in there.
Looks are always subjective, so no point going into that too much, but this car screams compromised mess to me rather than what I hoped it would be.
Could someone who writes about cars for a living please look up the concept of mass centralisation rather than simple distribution.
Thanks.
Oh and as for the Supra. Hmmm, not sure what to make of it yet. I was never a great fan of the old one to be honest, as it was always more of a rapid GT car rather than delicate sportscar being a big old bus in terms of dimensions.
This one not having rear seats is a problem for me on that front, it is now a fairly hefty 2 seater sportscar rather than being a usable every day car with the option of having some people in the back, or more realistically, fitting kids in there.
Looks are always subjective, so no point going into that too much, but this car screams compromised mess to me rather than what I hoped it would be.
hufggfg said:
£50k sports coupes /.../ I think my basic requirements are:
- Great steering feel (EPAS seems to have ended this)
- Engine with entertaining top end (as sports car should sing when it’s being wrung by the scruff of its neck, not just have lazy easily available power)
- Reasonable weight (I’m not someone that thinks in needs to be under a tonne, but 1300kgs would be nice)
- Mod cons to make it a great daily
Anyone got any suggestions?
A GT86, possibly with a supercharger kit? - Great steering feel (EPAS seems to have ended this)
- Engine with entertaining top end (as sports car should sing when it’s being wrung by the scruff of its neck, not just have lazy easily available power)
- Reasonable weight (I’m not someone that thinks in needs to be under a tonne, but 1300kgs would be nice)
- Mod cons to make it a great daily
Anyone got any suggestions?
As to the Supra, briefly sat in one during the Geneva motor show. All is well, but once you're in the drivers seat, it personally feels a bit too claustrophobic. High window line, low roof and not so good visilibity out front. Like sitting in a tank. Also, the interior is riddled with BMW switchgear. At first glance it felt too "BMW" and not so "Toyota" inside, but for everyday use, you can't prolly fault BMW quality.
Otherwise no negative comments. Sure everyone would've loved if it would have an engine of Toyota's own making. But if you've got two possibilities - a) a new Supra built in conjunction with BMW or b) no new Supra - then I think most ppl would to with option a). Also, from the outside to me it looked even better in person.
mfp4073 said:
Why are new cars so ugly these days? I was really looking forward to the new the Supra, sadly it looks bloody awful.
Asked it so many times but never got the answer.... they are all full of holes, gaps, swooshes, lines, plastic bits, fake diffusers, fake grills, air vents and so on and on and on....big_rob_sydney said:
Underwhelmed.
The M2 and m140 will hurt this. I suspect this car wont do as well as Toyota would have liked, because £50k is a lot to pay for a "blank canvas." I'm sure there are plenty of brand new donor cars out there for quite a bit less.
Certainly in Europe, the market for a £50k sports car you're expected to tune and destroy the warranty in order to make it interesting is, tiny. The M2 and m140 will hurt this. I suspect this car wont do as well as Toyota would have liked, because £50k is a lot to pay for a "blank canvas." I'm sure there are plenty of brand new donor cars out there for quite a bit less.
kambites said:
janesmith1950 said:
There must be good margin in it, as Toyota haven't had to spend very much on the engine and gearbox development, or infotainment/electrical.
Depends how much they're paying BMW for the bits!I dont like its exterior styling or proportions but it seems a decent z4 coupe if you can live with that, Matt/carwow liked it and you can see why (if you can get over the looks).
I think there is a lot of competition for 50 grand though this wouldnt be many first choice.
Baddie said:
Flyinv said:
The most impressive thing for me has been hearing Tada-san talk about the reliability and durability testing they did on the B58 motor to make it meet Toyota standards. It's reliability that will ultimately turn this car into a cult hero with lasting appeal like it's predecessor and other Japanese hero's.
This is surprising. So do they get specially built engines, build them themselves, or get BMW to male chamges?If it turns out to be a reliable BMW powertrain with Toyota parts pricing and customer service and aftermarket support then it could be quite a hero. Time will tell.
k up. Anyway, here 'tis, and in the story, freshly shot in RHD with Radio 2 on...
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