RE: Tom Hartley: PH Meets

RE: Tom Hartley: PH Meets

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Marwood79

179 posts

128 months

Thursday 16th May
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It's a bit 'new money'. And I do wonder if they get bored? - must be like dealing in power tools after a while.

Anyway - you have to respect the self made and people like this do make the world more interesting - god forbid everyone was miserable and poor!

At the end of the day, if they're the ones with the car you want, you are going to buy it from them. That's really all there is to say.

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ntiz

644 posts

77 months

Thursday 16th May
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I think the reason these guys don’t get much love on ph is that they seem to aim themselves at a very profitable but not particularly ph demographic.

People like a school friend of mine who have to have the latest super car NOW! They aren’t actually that fussed about how it drives just that looks cool and gets attention. They don’t want to spend 6 hours speccing a car they want to walk in pick a car and have it on the drive in the morning to show to there friends.

They will keep coming back again and again. You have to turn over a lot of super cars to build a business like that.

Good for them though they clearly know there market and are nailing it. Of course they have some fabulous cars and that will attract all kinds of buyers.

Jasandjules

62,478 posts

170 months

Thursday 16th May
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Triumph Man said:
Putting aside tastes, and the lake, I always have admiration for somebody who builds themselves, and their business, up like that from basically nothing.
When you say "nothing" I see "40 acres" which used to be the family home. Now, if mum and dad can afford a 40 acre spot of land I am going to assume they were not exactly on benefits living hand to mouth...

Cold

6,757 posts

31 months

Thursday 16th May
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Article said:
With Carl now “doing the driving” while Tom “changes the gears”
Is that wise? What if something unusual happens while Carl is driving? Tom will have to cope with any fallout alone.

giltranator

336 posts

129 months

Thursday 16th May
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Fair play to them...though every photo i’ve seen using that lake makes it looks like the tyres are flat
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GranCab

1,454 posts

87 months

Thursday 16th May
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Mexman said:
GranCab said:
Correct me if I'm wrong but what do they do other that buy 'em cheap, polish them, photograph them (in a puddle) and then sell them on to someone who is willing to pay substantially more than TH paid for them.

Many years ago I was selling my 911 Speedster (with an ad. in AutoTrader Magazine) and schoolboy Tom Junior turned up (with a driver) to view it. He said they could offer it on S.O.R. ... I presumed that was because they didn't have the wherewithal to buy it outright. I wonder if they still trade this way ?
Seriously?
I'm sure there is a little more to it than buying, polishing and selling them.
Buying them cheap?..where from exactly?
Polishing them only?....what about paintwork, repairs, parts required, servicing, MOTs, warranties, aftersales?
Making a profit when selling?...err no st Sherlock.
Sorry ... I missed the paragraph in the original article where they showed the writer round their extensive on site servicing, repair and restoration facilities ...

Galsia

1,928 posts

131 months

Thursday 16th May
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They've always seemed like a couple of knobs to me and the giant puddle is a cheap gimmick.

Mexman

1,223 posts

25 months

Thursday 16th May
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GranCab said:
Sorry ... I missed the paragraph in the original article where they showed the writer round their extensive on site servicing, repair and restoration facilities ...
This work would be sub contracted out if no facilities on site as is per normal with a lot of used dealers.
As a dealer, you cannot just buy a car, polish it and sell it, the car will have to be fully inspected prior to sale by laws.
A) to deem the car safe and legal.
B) to satisfy the warranty terms and conditions.
Surely this is obvious?

big_rob_sydney

2,299 posts

135 months

Thursday 16th May
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Maybe it's just me, but I get the feeling they're snake oil salesmen who've sold a lot of snake oil.

2 GKC

495 posts

46 months

Thursday 16th May
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Buster73 said:
The Tom Hartley brand valued at £250m ?

Just sprayed some cornflakes over my iPad laughing.
Agreed. That's ludicrous. Without him in the business the brand wouldn't be worth a penny. That's 10x revenue on a business with single digit gross margin %.

They have clearly been very successful so good luck to them, but they're a bit gaudy for me

Big Robbo

89 posts

87 months

Thursday 16th May
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Having money doesn't mean you have class. The lake idea is one up from a "dolly bird" draped over the car. Somewhat tacky with a subtle hint of chav

Rawwr

21,967 posts

175 months

Thursday 16th May
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Mykoolo said:
Rostyle said:
So where does Tom Hartley Jr fit in exactly , no mention of him anywhere ?
I think you'll find it's "like-father-like-son". TH Jr is very much a part of the business.
Hi, Tom! wavey

Shakermaker

8,584 posts

41 months

Thursday 16th May
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Galsia said:
They've always seemed like a couple of knobs to me and the giant puddle is a cheap gimmick.
The hydraulic lift and ramp underneath rather suggest it was an expensive gimmick but with a cheap effect.

Still, I've never met them, nor had the type of cash needed to purchase a car from them.

Clearly they divide opinion with some happy and some unhappy customers/former customers.

Though I'm fairly sure that describes just about every business in the world.

Cold

6,757 posts

31 months

Thursday 16th May
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How much does an advert like this on PH cost?

Butter Face

18,447 posts

101 months

Thursday 16th May
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Mykoolo said:
Rostyle said:
So where does Tom Hartley Jr fit in exactly , no mention of him anywhere ?
I think you'll find it's "like-father-like-son". TH Jr is very much a part of the business.
It's odd that you say that, because he's not a director of the company (resigned in 2014) and he is the sole director of Tom Hartley Junior, so I assume it's "like-father-like-son" in that he sells expensive cars, but I'm sure I heard somewhere before that he is nothing to do with Tom Hartley cars itself.

Happy to be proven incorrect.

The Crack Fox

13,397 posts

133 months

Thursday 16th May
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Mykoolo said:
A very respected name in the car business. Always has the best & most exclusive cars on show. Even has a Renault 5 Turbo from the eighties currently for sale. Epic.??
Oh do fk off.

bloomen

2,373 posts

100 months

Thursday 16th May
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sasha320 said:
Putting aside the ‘somewhat’ overstated £250m valuation and assuming that the Hartley family have employees to help with administration and buying; how on earth do the vast majority of members of a (sports) motoring forum NOT believe that the Hartley’s have a dream business and I for one, would swap places in an instant.

I’m not saying that they have it is easy but if you’re passionate about (performance / premium) motorcars then aside from a few prize jobs in mainstream automotive / motor racing teams I can’t think of a job I’d rather do!
I would rather work down the mines than sell cars no matter how fancy they are. It's miserable business filled with scum and freaks. The higher up you get, rather than calming down, the scummier it gets.

Terminator X

7,405 posts

145 months

Thursday 16th May
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janesmith1950 said:
Buster73 said:
The Tom Hartley brand valued at £250m ?

Just sprayed some cornflakes over my iPad laughing.
Maybe it's for both Tom Hartley's? Or maybe the combined value of all Tom Hartley's worldwide?

Or maybe more imaginative than a shelf full of Roald Dahl?
Perhaps just their stock value? Lot of expensive cars on the plot.

TX.

Mexman

1,223 posts

25 months

Thursday 16th May
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bloomen said:
I would rather work down the mines than sell cars no matter how fancy they are. It's miserable business filled with scum and freaks. The higher up you get, rather than calming down, the scummier it gets.
Prestige and Supercars is not an area I would want to get involved in selling, that's for sure.
One can only imagine some of the characters and day trippers you would have to placate on a day to day basis with no hope of ever selling them a car.


Dynamic Space Wizard

562 posts

45 months

Thursday 16th May
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“The Tom Hartley brand name has been valued at £250 million alone,” says Tom rofl