Resurgence of the 50k sports car...

Resurgence of the 50k sports car...

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white_goodman

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3,253 posts

132 months

Thursday 16th May
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Despite a general market trend towards SUVs and crossovers, prompted by recent discussion over the new Supra, it has been encouraging to see a resurgence in the 50k sports car market. Up until fairly recently, if you had 50k to spend on a sports car, a Boxster/Cayman was pretty much your only option and if there were any other leftfield options, you needed a pretty good reason not to go with the Porsche.

However, with the Alpine A110 coming out last year and providing a compelling alternative to a Cayman if you don't mind 4 cylinders and the launch of the new BMW Z4 and Toyota Supra this year, if you want a nicer soundtrack and something a bit more well-rounded, there is more choice in this market than there has been for quite some time and perhaps the move to 4 cylinders by Porsche has created a gap (the normal word I would use here got censored as an ethnic slur lol) in the Boxter's/Cayman's armour for other manufacturers to exploit?

These three cars really appeal to me as Boxster/Cayman alternatives but I guess one might also consider an Alfa 4C, Mercedes-Benz SLC (for a bit longer at least) or a Jaguar F-Type in this market? The only thing that is perhaps a bit of a shame is that none of the other vehicles offer the option of a manual transmission but then most new Boxsters/Caymans being bought will be PDK too?

With once attainable "dream" cars like the Porsche 911, Audi R8 and AM Vantage getting ever more expensive, I for one am quite excited by the prospect of these 50k sports car becoming affordable for me in a few years time.

So if you were in the market for this kind of vehicle either new or a used purchase a few years down the line, would you go with the "safe" option i.e. a Boxster/Cayman or one of the "newer" alternatives?

Edited by white_goodman on Thursday 16th May 20:13

CABC

2,497 posts

42 months

Thursday 16th May
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Looks like 50k is becoming the new price for GT Sports cars, and all new releases are welcome. However, these are what I would call "GT Sports", as they're heavy, comfortable daily drivers too. "sports cars" should be light, simple and probably 30k-ish. we need more MX5 competition, like an MR2, Barchetta et al. For the most part these would be 2nd or 3rd cars in a household, and i appreciate that for that cost with modern legislation they would definitely need to be stripped down.

Trevor555

1,030 posts

25 months

Thursday 16th May
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It's a shame some of these are auto only.




white_goodman

Original Poster:

3,253 posts

132 months

Thursday 16th May
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CABC said:
Looks like 50k is becoming the new price for GT Sports cars, and all new releases are welcome. However, these are what I would call "GT Sports", as they're heavy, comfortable daily drivers too. "sports cars" should be light, simple and probably 30k-ish. we need more MX5 competition, like an MR2, Barchetta et al. For the most part these would be 2nd or 3rd cars in a household, and i appreciate that for that cost with modern legislation they would definitely need to be stripped down.
I agree because I could afford one of those straight away but MX5/124/GT86/BRZ lack grunt and I'm guessing 30k sports cars aren't a very profitable market these days, especially without platform sharing? 370Z has the power but is a little dated and lardy. Not sure where they're coming in at these days... The Alpine has many of the attributes that you describe but it's 50k. 50k is the new 30k perhaps.

ging84

5,483 posts

87 months

Thursday 16th May
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Trevor555 said:
It's a shame some of these are auto only.
yawn
If you love playing with knobs that much go buy a capri (they are perfect for dogging)
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cerb4.5lee

11,375 posts

121 months

Thursday 16th May
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I really like both the A110 and Supra in many ways for sure but I wouldn't buy either because they are auto only. For an occasional car it has to be a manual for me...but the choice is dwindling fast sadly.

Pulse00

298 posts

40 months

Thursday 16th May
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For me, the Alpine A110 is just an uglier, slower, heavier Alfa 4c. It also lacks a pretty special carbon fibre tub.

Would't be my choice in the price segment!

Baldchap

967 posts

33 months

Thursday 16th May
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Recently bought a brand new Elise 250 Cup for a whisker over 50. Cracking drive and an absolutely manual gearbox.

300bhp/ton

36,549 posts

131 months

Thursday 16th May
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white_goodman said:
Despite a general market trend towards SUVs and crossovers, prompted by recent discussion over the new Supra, it has been encouraging to see a resurgence in the 50k sports car market. Up until fairly recently, if you had 50k to spend on a sports car, a Boxster/Cayman was pretty much your only option and if there were any other leftfield options, you needed a pretty good reason not to go with the Porsche.

However, with the Alpine A110 coming out last year and providing a compelling alternative to a Cayman if you don't mind 4 cylinders and the launch of the new BMW Z4 and Toyota Supra this year, if you want a nicer soundtrack and something a bit more well-rounded, there is more choice in this market than there has been for quite some time and perhaps the move to 4 cylinders by Porsche has created a gap (the normal word I would use here got censored as an ethnic slur lol) in the Boxter's/Cayman's armour for other manufacturers to exploit?

These three cars really appeal to me as Boxster/Cayman alternatives but I guess one might also consider an Alfa 4C, Mercedes-Benz SLC (for a bit longer at least) or a Jaguar F-Type in this market? The only thing that is perhaps a bit of a shame is that none of the other vehicles offer the option of a manual transmission but then most new Boxsters/Caymans being bought will be PDK too?

With once attainable "dream" cars like the Porsche 911, Audi R8 and AM Vantage getting ever more expensive, I for one am quite excited by the prospect of these 50k sports car becoming affordable for me in a few years time.

So if you were in the market for this kind of vehicle either new or a used purchase a few years down the line, would you go with the "safe" option i.e. a Boxster/Cayman or one of the "newer" alternatives?

Edited by white_goodman on Thursday 16th May 20:13
Are 911’s really any more expensive than they were a decade ago? Or is it largely inflation?

Also wasn’t there a Z4 prior to this new one.

Not a mention of Lotus confused

Nor the 370z which actually seems somewhat of a bargain vs the others.

And of course you have the pony cars such as the Mustang, Challenger and Camaro. Which all probably deserve a mention if you are including Mercs and the F-Type.

Plus more niche offerings such as Morgan.

Is the inclusion of the Supra really that radical? Seems there was plenty of choice really.


ash73

15,798 posts

162 months

Thursday 16th May
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Is the Alpine A110 selling?

300bhp/ton

36,549 posts

131 months

Thursday 16th May
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ging84 said:
Trevor555 said:
It's a shame some of these are auto only.
yawn
If you love playing with knobs that much go buy a capri (they are perfect for dogging)
Why such a derisive comment ? You got a chip on your should or what confused

300bhp/ton

36,549 posts

131 months

Thursday 16th May
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white_goodman said:
370Z has the power but is a little dated and lardy.
Erm isn’t the 370z lighter than the new Supra?

And as for dated. Really? Is it anymore dated than the current MX-5 or GT86?

rockandrollmark

1,145 posts

164 months

Thursday 16th May
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Pulse00 said:
For me, the Alpine A110 is just an uglier, slower, heavier Alfa 4c. It also lacks a pretty special carbon fibre tub.

Would't be my choice in the price segment!
Carbon tub in a 50k car! Lolol

200Plus Club

5,802 posts

219 months

Thursday 16th May
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You can just about get into an early V10 R8 at that price point. At which all talk of 911, alpine, Alfa 4c, lotus etc slip into 2nd place for me.
Depreciation will be less, and running costs not too scary if you buy a good one.

otolith

37,444 posts

145 months

Thursday 16th May
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rockandrollmark said:
Pulse00 said:
For me, the Alpine A110 is just an uglier, slower, heavier Alfa 4c. It also lacks a pretty special carbon fibre tub.

Would't be my choice in the price segment!
Carbon tub in a 50k car! Lolol
4c is close, at a smidge under 60k.

Mr Tidy

8,307 posts

68 months

Friday 17th May
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I'm just waiting for a manual V8 Mustang to get into budget!

I know it isn't a sports car, but at least it has an N/A engine and a manual gearbox.

I'm old school - I just don't want silly little turbo engines or flappy-paddles.getmecoat

Edited by Mr Tidy on Friday 17th May 01:02

ging84

5,483 posts

87 months

Friday 17th May
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300bhp/ton said:
Why such a derisive comment ? You got a chip on your should or what confused
I do
It is supporting the legacy preferences that holds back the motor industry, and people yearning for a manual box in a non specific group of cars that never came with one is the absolute epitome of the issue.

The car companies know that a number of people will take 1 look and say its not a manual not interested, another number of people will consider it, maybe talk to friends read reviews and ultimately be put off because of the other groups opinions.

Manufacturers will know how many millions more it will cost them to design, test, approve, build and support 2 gearbox types. If the numbers don't add up they simply won't build the car. It won't be profitable enough with 2 gearboxes and won't sell well enough with only 1.

Basically people like this are a factor in why these type of cars went away.

jimbo761

152 posts

23 months

Friday 17th May
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ging84 said:
I do
It is supporting the legacy preferences that holds back the motor industry, and people yearning for a manual box in a non specific group of cars that never came with one is the absolute epitome of the issue.

The car companies know that a number of people will take 1 look and say its not a manual not interested, another number of people will consider it, maybe talk to friends read reviews and ultimately be put off because of the other groups opinions.

Manufacturers will know how many millions more it will cost them to design, test, approve, build and support 2 gearbox types. If the numbers don't add up they simply won't build the car. It won't be profitable enough with 2 gearboxes and won't sell well enough with only 1.

Basically people like this are a factor in why these type of cars went away.
Coming up to three years with a PDK. It is, quite honestly, the best auto I have ever driven. Instantaneous changes and uninterrupted power all the way up, great technology and tbf everything seems to be moving towards auto these days especially evs and hybrids.

But... I hate to say it, I do miss the involvement of a manual. For commuting, traffic, usual day to day driving PDK is ideal, however I think next time around, if given the option, I’d go back to a manual every time. Also gives me two grand more to spend on options...



StuTheGrouch

5,157 posts

103 months

Friday 17th May
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300bhp/ton said:
ging84 said:
Trevor555 said:
It's a shame some of these are auto only.
yawn
If you love playing with knobs that much go buy a capri (they are perfect for dogging)
Why such a derisive comment ? You got a chip on your should or what confused
Exactly this. No fking need

GiveItSomeWellie

2,791 posts

137 months

Friday 17th May
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300bhp/ton said:
Really? Is it anymore dated than the current MX-5 or GT86?
Since the 370Z was launched in 2009 (and taking heavy influence from the 350Z launched in 2003), the 86/BRZ in 2012, and the current MX-5 in 2015, then yes I would say it's dated.

Nothing wrong with that, however.