Faster than an M5 for £25k

[Pistonheader101]

Mk7 golf R with hybrid turbo from TTE or pure turbo

[ZX10R NIN]

Re Mapped CL600:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...

or if you can stretch a SL65:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...

S65

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...

[FN2TypeR]

yonex said:

Lexus LS460. Faster than sound

Don't, ffs

[blade7]

TT-RS, with some tweaks.

[Welshbeef]

ZX10R NIN said:

Re Mapped CL600:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...

or if you can stretch a SL65:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...

S65

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...

Like a lot.

V12 bi Turbo nothing beats that + you can tune them up

[cat with a hat]

You can do it for £3k on a sports bike....

[Fastdruid]

yonex said:

Lexus LS460. Faster than sound

You can take the older LS400 up to 1200hp or so and it's lighter than an M5...

[anonymous-user]

Fastdruid said:

You can take the older LS400 up to 1200hp or so and it's lighter than an M5...

There's a whiff of irony, and some humour in discussing how to tune an LS to overcome an M5. Betting that 1200hp 'or so' is over budget

[TheAngryDog]

Jimmy Recard said:

TheAngryDog said:

You're only going to get 550bhp at the most and with a very slow gearbox. Mine was 5222bhp with remap and pulley.

That sounds like enough to do it!

Didn't have any traction, I was beaten by milk floats.

[Shiv_P]

yonex said:

Fastdruid said:

You can take the older LS400 up to 1200hp or so and it's lighter than an M5...

There's a whiff of irony, and some humour in discussing how to tune an LS to overcome an M5. Betting that 1200hp 'or so' is over budget

Bet a 320d would do an M5
Drivers car and all that

[Niffty951]

corozin said:

This, easily. And it's for sale.
https://youtu.be/1tUy78T8Euo

This is by far my favourite suggestion so far

I agree the practical answer is probably a 20k Mercedes v12 turbo mapped (if it'll put enough power down) or the RS6 mapped. My money would still be on the M5 of those for the lowest running costs over the next 12 months/10000 miles.

LS powered RX7 I think is an excellent suggestion too.

The TT RS/Golf R argument.. I think you're underestimating how expensive it is to get that kind of performance and how fast a mapped M135i is. My old Stage 2+ S3 daily driver with 367hp & 416lb/ft of torque cost me around 6.5-7k to get to that power and was faster than a standard M140i but not by a big margin.. not more than a couple of car lengths over that distance and the difference in that initial video to the m5 is staggering.

Edited by Niffty951 on Sunday 19th May 22:37

[cerb4.5lee]

Shiv_P said:

yonex said:

Fastdruid said:

You can take the older LS400 up to 1200hp or so and it's lighter than an M5...

There's a whiff of irony, and some humour in discussing how to tune an LS to overcome an M5. Betting that 1200hp 'or so' is over budget

Bet a 320d would do an M5
Drivers car and all that

The 320d revs to 5500rpm as well...so that adds to the enjoyment for sure.

[V8RX7]

jjr1 said:

V8RX7 said:

Yes

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mazda-RX-7-FD-V8-LS2/30...

500bhp and circa 1300kg

I owned similar and it cost me £10k a few years ago

This looks awesome. How much do you think it might go for?

What are they like to drive?

Generally they sell £12-18k depending on condition / spec / demand on the day and that's probably less than it cost to build.

Depends what you're used to I suppose - obviously it's based on a 90's car but I'd rather own that than an M5.

[anonymous-user]

Bentley Continental Flying Spur under 25k with a remap would be 700 bhp, maybe do some weight reduction as well and should be comparable.

[jjr1]

V8RX7 said:

jjr1 said:

V8RX7 said:

Yes

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mazda-RX-7-FD-V8-LS2/30...

500bhp and circa 1300kg

I owned similar and it cost me £10k a few years ago

This looks awesome. How much do you think it might go for?

What are they like to drive?

Generally they sell £12-18k depending on condition / spec / demand on the day and that's probably less than it cost to build.

Depends what you're used to I suppose - obviously it's based on a 90's car but I'd rather own that than an M5.

Are they a sports car in that configuration (ie with a V8) or a GT car?
Could you drive one over a large distance in reasonable comfort or are they just a Sunday special?

[anonymous-user]

V8RX7 said:

Generally they sell £12-18k depending on condition / spec / demand on the day and that's probably less than it cost to build.

Depends what you're used to I suppose - obviously it's based on a 90's car but I'd rather own that than an M5.

The thing is, the RX7, for me, is all about the rotary. Every review on a swapped LS one is that it feels like a Corvette. So with that said why not buy a Vette?

[V8RX7]

jjr1 said:

V8RX7 said:

jjr1 said:

V8RX7 said:

Yes

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mazda-RX-7-FD-V8-LS2/30...

500bhp and circa 1300kg

I owned similar and it cost me £10k a few years ago

This looks awesome. How much do you think it might go for?

What are they like to drive?

Generally they sell £12-18k depending on condition / spec / demand on the day and that's probably less than it cost to build.

Depends what you're used to I suppose - obviously it's based on a 90's car but I'd rather own that than an M5.

Are they a sports car in that configuration (ie with a V8) or a GT car?
Could you drive one over a large distance in reasonable comfort or are they just a Sunday special?

Again depends what you're used to - I went to the Ring in my Mk1 MX5 and it was fine, a V8 RX7 is like a Rolls Royce in comparison.

I sold my RX7 V8 as I was frustrated that I could only use a fraction of it's performance on the road and it struggled to get the power down - no traction control !

The buyer was intending to use it as a toy and fit 888's which was probably the way to go, personally I feel less power would make it a better car - 300 - 350bhp feels right to me (mine had 440bhp)

[TheAngryDog]

Alex_225 said:

MDMA . said:

How about a W211 E55 AMG with a smaller pulley and remap. No more than 15k in for a good one.

I was thinking exactly the same thing, even a re-map on the 5.5 supercharged engine sees 540bhp so pulleys as well and you'd be over that of the M5.

Admittedly a lot more 'old school' than the F10 but if you're talking sheer BHP that would do it.

They need a pulley to get that much power. Exhaust manifolds aren't that good either.

[Fastdruid]

yonex said:

Fastdruid said:

You can take the older LS400 up to 1200hp or so and it's lighter than an M5...

There's a whiff of irony, and some humour in discussing how to tune an LS to overcome an M5. Betting that 1200hp 'or so' is over budget

Oh god yes, probably that much on a gearbox to take that much power!

[J4CKO]

I dont think anything suggested would actually be much faster.

RX7, hmm, maybe but traction would be an issue and you have to change gears yourself, dont think you could just plant your foot and go like the BMW, needs some skill. Be interesting to see.

Bond Bug looked mind bendingly quick, but looks more like a suicide method than a car but it did a quarter in 11.3 seconds which is indeed quicker

Tuned Golf R, well, you have to buy one, its a 300 bhp car and they are generally 15k up, can go to nearer 400 with a few mods but then it gets expensive.

The M135i was tuned and still got minced, an auto may have done a bit better, a guy I know had a tuned M140i with 450 ish bhp and went to an F10 M5 and said its another level again. I think that rules out all but the fastest tuned hot hatches, maybe the later TTRS/RS3 with some tuning but I am not sure it would be massively faster.

The later biturbo and CLS63/E63 can be had for < 25k, same ball park power, similar sort of thing, but faster than an M5, not really.


RS6 with a tune may do it, like this one

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/AUDI-RS6-AVANT-TFSI-V10...

But, might only do it once, but that wasnt the question.

Otherwise, a damaged/sketchy Nissan GTR thats had some tuning, but really, need to go on averagely priced ones so out of budget.

Edited by J4CKO on Sunday 19th May 23:41