School protests - sex education

School protests - sex education

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jimPH

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3,981 posts

79 months

Monday 20th May 2019
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Not sure what the actual syllabus is being taught around sex education, but is an interesting clash of culture.

LGBT Vs Asian community as far as I can make out. Liberals must be pulling their hair out on this one.


dundarach

4,963 posts

227 months

Monday 20th May 2019
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I'm replying as a practicing Christian.

It's not confined to the Muslim community, it's anyone with an extreme religious view.

I've stepped quite far away from my local C of E church, for which I moved 10 miles to live next to, because their new minister openly supports a regime which not only supports the view that women should not have leadership positions over men, but also that homosexuality is wrong...

The issue I have is that it makes it clear in the Bible it's not our place to judge and yet off they go...

The same group who told my wife quote: "you can't be a good Christian woman and work full time" - idiots.

Not just the Muslims, they're getting the news sadly

Diversion

20 posts

59 months

Monday 20th May 2019
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What is an Extreme Religious View ?

If it is in the religious texts, it is hardly extreme. Society has moved on and certain things we now deem unacceptable but that doesn't make a religious text extreme.

You regularly see Islamic schools in the press teaching what are either Extreme Religious Views or are they good traditional Islamic values ??

Rivenink

3,665 posts

105 months

Monday 20th May 2019
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jimPH said:
Not sure what the actual syllabus is being taught around sex education, but is an interesting clash of culture.

LGBT Vs Asian community as far as I can make out. Liberals must be pulling their hair out on this one.
Why would liberals be "pulling their hair out on this one"?

It's quite simply that a bunch of regressive bigots are trying to stop children from learning about the world in an illogical belief that kids will be more likely to be LGBT if they learn LGBT people exist.

There's about 2000 years of history of repressing LGBT people that disproves that hypothesis.

Edited by Rivenink on Monday 20th May 13:15

StevieBee

12,795 posts

254 months

Monday 20th May 2019
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Diversion said:
What is an Extreme Religious View ?
The belief that scripture is written without ability for interpretation or modernisation.


Diversion

20 posts

59 months

Monday 20th May 2019
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StevieBee said:
Diversion said:
What is an Extreme Religious View ?
The belief that scripture is written without ability for interpretation or modernisation.
The problem we have is that unfortunately God and or his prophets have not been seen or heard from in a few hundred years.... If they were to reappear and tell everybody that certain things are now ok we could move forward accordingly.

Where are they when you need one ?


markcoznottz

7,155 posts

223 months

Monday 20th May 2019
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Does ph not merge threads anymore?

s1962a

5,263 posts

161 months

Monday 20th May 2019
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jimPH said:
Not sure what the actual syllabus is being taught around sex education, but is an interesting clash of culture.

LGBT Vs Asian community as far as I can make out. Liberals must be pulling their hair out on this one.
Yeah it seems to be the religious types shouting about this.

I have a question, if your kid was being taught about religion at school and part of it were school trips to visit places of worship, obviously you'd have no issue with it, but what would your opinion be of those parents that didn't want their kids to visit a mosque?

HTP99

22,443 posts

139 months

Monday 20th May 2019
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I was watching Sky News a few days ago and they were covering the demonstrations outside schools; many of the demonstrators didn't even have kids at the school, anyway the female reporter spoke to a male Muslim and asked his views, amongst alot of crap that he was spouting, he said, "god created women for mans pleasure".

I was just like WTF, with views like that then there is no hope.

Rivenink

3,665 posts

105 months

Monday 20th May 2019
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s1962a said:
jimPH said:
Not sure what the actual syllabus is being taught around sex education, but is an interesting clash of culture.

LGBT Vs Asian community as far as I can make out. Liberals must be pulling their hair out on this one.
Yeah it seems to be the religious types shouting about this.

I have a question, if your kid was being taught about religion at school and part of it were school trips to visit places of worship, obviously you'd have no issue with it, but what would your opinion be of those parents that didn't want their kids to visit a mosque?
Are you suggesting that schools are taking kids on day trips to LGBT places?

motco

15,919 posts

245 months

Monday 20th May 2019
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I would expect liberals to support ethnic minorities in their strict religious beliefs.

I would expect liberals to support freedom of sexual expression and the accompanying full range sex education.


Dog Star

16,079 posts

167 months

Monday 20th May 2019
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I have serious objections to this sort of thing, not because I give a flying fk about LGBT blah blah rights etc, but quite simply because of the time wasted on it.

Do you think that kids in China or India are having their schooldays taken up with this kind of crap? I very much doubt it - I deeply suspect they're working themselves to the bone learning languages, maths, physics and all the other things that they need to know in order to make sure that they can work in a competitive global economy, not wasting hours being taught about whether a bloke in a dress can use the ladies bogs or not.

If folk want to have their kids educated about this then I personally think that it ought to be done as an optional after school activity, not wasting valuable teaching time. It's a big old dog eat dog world out there.

Being all right-on is all very well until you end up down the job centre signing on because the local factory has upped sticks to China or you've had your IT infrastructure moved to India because the staff are a bit cheaper but a lot better educated because they've not had their education wasted on this stuff.

Just my 2p, I don't have kids and if you're happy for your kids schooltime being wasted then knock yourself out.

RTB

8,273 posts

257 months

Monday 20th May 2019
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StevieBee said:
The belief that scripture is written without ability for interpretation or modernisation.
Realistically, what are the chances of a non-centralised religion like Islam undergoing a true reformation? It needs one, it really does, but given there's no "head" of the Islamic faith and the Koran is believed to be last and unalterable word of God, I wouldn't hold out a lot of hope.

The problem, in my opinion, isn't with interpretation or modernisation, it's a fundamental problem with the beliefs themselves. That's why I prefer the term fundamentalist, as when used to describe harmful behaviours it highlights the problem is with the fundamentals of the belief system.




Pesty

42,655 posts

255 months

Monday 20th May 2019
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Funny how it’s only one side that has to be tolerant. When they say our children they mean their children fk the kafir.

Outsiders in our own country.

Wait until they become 20% and start getting bold.




s1962a

5,263 posts

161 months

Monday 20th May 2019
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Rivenink said:
s1962a said:
jimPH said:
Not sure what the actual syllabus is being taught around sex education, but is an interesting clash of culture.

LGBT Vs Asian community as far as I can make out. Liberals must be pulling their hair out on this one.
Yeah it seems to be the religious types shouting about this.

I have a question, if your kid was being taught about religion at school and part of it were school trips to visit places of worship, obviously you'd have no issue with it, but what would your opinion be of those parents that didn't want their kids to visit a mosque?
Are you suggesting that schools are taking kids on day trips to LGBT places?
In my daughters school, they had a 'performance group' - whatever that is - do a whole show about LGBT, and the parents found out about it way after it happened. I've no idea what it comprised of - but I think it was probably introducing kids to the concept of LGBT relationships but doing role plays etc. I didn't have an issue with it, but there were some objections afterwards as some of the parents wanted to give consent. The head told all the parents that consent wasn't needed as this came under government approved teachings and they were allowed to do it.

Rivenink

3,665 posts

105 months

Monday 20th May 2019
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Dog Star said:
I have serious objections to this sort of thing, not because I give a flying fk about LGBT blah blah rights etc, but quite simply because of the time wasted on it.

Do you think that kids in China or India are having their schooldays taken up with this kind of crap? I very much doubt it - I deeply suspect they're working themselves to the bone learning languages, maths, physics and all the other things that they need to know in order to make sure that they can work in a competitive global economy, not wasting hours being taught about whether a bloke in a dress can use the ladies bogs or not.

If folk want to have their kids educated about this then I personally think that it ought to be done as an optional after school activity, not wasting valuable teaching time. It's a big old dog eat dog world out there.

Being all right-on is all very well until you end up down the job centre signing on because the local factory has upped sticks to China or you've had your IT infrastructure moved to India because the staff are a bit cheaper but a lot better educated because they've not had their education wasted on this stuff.

Just my 2p, I don't have kids and if you're happy for your kids schooltime being wasted then knock yourself out.
Learning about other cultures and how to be tolerant of others is an important skill in todays global economy.

I mean, I haven't ever signed on so I've no direct experience myself, but my perception is that job centres are not filled with 'right on' liberal types. My perception is that job centers are frequented most often by those who struggled with any academic pursuit at all.

otolith

55,899 posts

203 months

Monday 20th May 2019
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Dog Star said:
I have serious objections to this sort of thing, not because I give a flying fk about LGBT blah blah rights etc, but quite simply because of the time wasted on it.
I think there may be some misconceptions about what this particular storm in a teacup is about.

For one thing, it isn't about sex education. It's about primary schools teaching small children some very basic ideas about some people being different, in order to meet their statutory duty to teach them "British values".

This kind of thing;

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-47738863/school-l...

As required by this;

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/guidance-on-pro...



chrispmartha

15,360 posts

128 months

Monday 20th May 2019
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motco said:
I would expect liberals to support ethnic minorities in their strict religious beliefs.

I would expect liberals to support freedom of sexual expression and the accompanying full range sex education.

Rather than assuming, why not ak or better still state your position on the matter?

FWIW I don't think religious teachings should have any bearing on what is taught in schools, and I also think children should be taught about issues surrounding LGBT issues from a young age, there will be kids who have two mums, two dads etc etc and it should be recognised in school that there is nothing wrong with that.

So I am what you would call a Liberal and I'm not tearing my hair out, so you expect incorrectly.

Biker 1

7,694 posts

118 months

Monday 20th May 2019
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dundarach said:
I'm replying as a practicing Christian....

.... my local C of E church, for which I moved 10 miles to live next to, because their new minister openly supports a regime which not only supports the view that women should not have leadership positions over men, but also that homosexuality is wrong...
Just wow - you actually moved house for this?!?!?!? And now you find out you were diddled......