RE: Porsche Cayenne Coupe: Driven

[BrabusMog]

nickfrog said:

E65Ross said:

Why, just out of question? One cannot deny they're a niche worth filling. They make far more sense in this day and age for more people than a "PH" car such as a Lotus Exige or something.

Indeed, and besides, it's entirely conceivable that one person has more than one car. I see a few Cayennes towing track cars on most track days.

Having had saloons or coupes for years, I took the plunge on a Range Rover Sport last year and it is head and shoulders above any other car I've leased!

[scenario8]

I can see this thread running for page after page if some of the more argumentative posters join in.

Anyway, just how massive are these things? People bang on endlessly about the size of these sorts of vehicle but are they really all that large relative to other less controversial models? I appreciate they have greater height which may be perceived as bulk. How do they compare to current (and recent) Mondeos in length and width? Width with mirrors? An Octavia? My wife might notice an additional inch or two but I’m buggered if I’d notice it much in the vast majority of my driving.

[chickensoup]

strangely reminiscent of the Audi Q8

[BrabusMog]

chickensoup said:

strangely reminiscent of the Audi Q8

I saw a Q8 this morning on my way to the station and was staggered by how massive it was! I presume the Porsche will have similar dimensions? It looked really good tbf.

[J B L]

I'm very much a live and let live person and seldom question people decisions, it's a free world and all that but I'd really like an owner of one of these to tell me why they've picked it over the regular SUV. I don't understand which niche these (X6, GLE etc...) fills up.

[anonymous-user]

BrabusMog said:

chickensoup said:

strangely reminiscent of the Audi Q8

I saw a Q8 this morning on my way to the station and was staggered by how massive it was! I presume the Porsche will have similar dimensions? It looked really good tbf.

Yes they are massive to the point of being totally unfit for either the city or the countryside environment (cue outdoor lifestyle) that their marketing departments claim them to be ideal for. We regularly visit family in the Lakes and have lost count of the number of times that an orange tinted person has been totally unable to reverse the thing into a suitably wide passing place. Often they seem afraid to even get the wheels even slightly off the tarmac. Must be similar in the city I guess, finding a small enough parking place etc. Still, think of all that load space for the Harvey Nicks shopping bags!

[GM182]

Does it share it's platform with the Audi Q8? I presume the Cayenne, Audi and Bentley and Lamborghini all have related hard-points in there determining some of the dimensions.

I think this would look alright in dark blue. There's an Audi Q8 always parked when I drop off my wife to the station and I have to say I quite like it.

The Merc GLE is easily the ugliest of the bunch, the BMW not much better. I would probably be edging towards the Audi if I had to.

[Maldini35]

Cold said:

Andy20vt said:

I thought a Coupe generally had to have just two doors?

Sandpit Steve said:

Isn't a Coupe supposed to have three doors?

Any advance on three?

Too many doors

[PhilboSE]

Bit too much hyperbole in the article, perhaps?

"making it a nightmare to thread down any kind of normally proportioned road"
"set aside a lot of room [...] With mirrors this car is 2,200mm wide"

Cayenne coupe width with/without mirrors: 2194mm / 1983mm
Ferrari F8 Tributo width with/without mirrors 2190mm / 1979mm
Ford Transit Custom van width with/without mirrors: 2272mm / 1986mm

Not denying that this is a big car, and it's not my thing, but saying that something that is the same size as the mid-range vans you see everywhere on the roads, and is a "nightmare" on the same roads, suggests the author is somewhat overstating the mark. I bet they wouldn't say the same about an F8 Tributo either, despite only being 4mm less wide. But hey, this is an SUV, so all objectivity can go out the window.

[anonymous-user]

PhilboSE said:

Bit too much hyperbole in the article, perhaps?

"making it a nightmare to thread down any kind of normally proportioned road"
"set aside a lot of room [...] With mirrors this car is 2,200mm wide"

Cayenne coupe width with/without mirrors: 2194mm / 1983mm
Ferrari F8 Tributo width with/without mirrors 2190mm / 1979mm
Ford Transit Custom van width with/without mirrors: 2272mm / 1986mm

Not denying that this is a big car, and it's not my thing, but saying that something that is the same size as the mid-range vans you see everywhere on the roads, and is a "nightmare" on the same roads, suggests the author is somewhat overstating the mark. I bet they wouldn't say the same about an F8 Tributo either, despite only being 4mm less wide. But hey, this is an SUV, so all objectivity can go out the window.

You wouldn't take a Ferrari down a bumpy country lane. Also visibility in a van is much better than from your average SUV, plus your normal van's does not have diamond cut 22" alloy wheels that would get trashed at the first sight of an off road excursion, nor does it have a driver who's likely to give a s*it about the odd scratch or two.

[anonymous-user]

Andy20vt said:

You wouldn't take a Ferrari down a bumpy country lane. Also visibility in a van is much better than from your average SUV, plus your normal van's does not have diamond cut 22" alloy wheels that would get trashed at the first sight of an off road excursion, nor does it have a driver who's likely to give a s*it about the odd scratch or two.

Visibility in a van which only has 3 windows, is much better than this SUV?

I don't think so.

And no-one's talking about off-roading in either the van or the SUV here, so wheel size is irrelevant.

Your bias is showing.

[Mark-C]

RSchneider said:

How can the coupe be heavier than the regular version?? That is simply sloppy engineering. And V6 is the wrong engine for such a car. F**** emission regulations ruining the car industry. Those leftist busybody b****** should just buy their beloved Commie Zhiguli and leave the rest of the world alone!!

Chill out pal ... ranting like that will pop a blood vessel. Especially when you haven't got a clue ...

[Mark-C]

Maldini35 said:

Cold said:

Andy20vt said:

I thought a Coupe generally had to have just two doors?

Sandpit Steve said:

Isn't a Coupe supposed to have three doors?

Any advance on three?

Too many doors

Surely one is plenty?

[Hot Knife]

I really like it.

An older Cayenne Turbo is very high on my shortlist for new cars at the moment and if I had the budget I would go for this as I think I prefer the design.

I was also considering the Panamera but my wife actually prefers the higher driving position of the Cayenne so this new coupe would be the best of both worlds.

[Roger Irrelevant]

Andy20vt said:

You wouldn't take a Ferrari down a bumpy country lane. Also visibility in a van is much better than from your average SUV, plus your normal van's does not have diamond cut 22" alloy wheels that would get trashed at the first sight of an off road excursion, nor does it have a driver who's likely to give a s*it about the odd scratch or two.

Well said - plus the argument that a car isn't that wide because it's only the same width as a commercial vehicle that's designed to allow three full-sized adults to sit three abreast and whose raison d'etre is carrying as much gear as possible isn't particularly convincing IMO. I don't care if somebody wants a big car - I do myself - but people driving them round country lanes as if they're made of Meissen china are the bane of my life in the summer.

[anonymous-user]

BathyThermo said:

Andy20vt said:

You wouldn't take a Ferrari down a bumpy country lane. Also visibility in a van is much better than from your average SUV, plus your normal van's does not have diamond cut 22" alloy wheels that would get trashed at the first sight of an off road excursion, nor does it have a driver who's likely to give a s*it about the odd scratch or two.

Visibility in a van which only has 3 windows, is much better than this SUV?

I don't think so.

And no-one's talking about off-roading in either the van or the SUV here, so wheel size is irrelevant.

Your bias is showing.

Have you ever driven a van? Even with three windows the mirrors are such that you can see the position of the back wheel at all times. Easy to reverse and easy to see where every corner is. Not so with a wide SUV with thick, set back window pillars.

I'm not talking about proper off road, just a small ditch or some rough ground etc, the likes of which you would encounter many time over on your average country lane passing place.

Maybe part of it is the drivers. I guess the reason a lot buy these big SUV's is that they are just not confident drivers and they feel that a bigger rugged vehicle protects them and their kids. But then they they seem to struggle to drive the thing!!!

[DamianQS]

As a niche I just don't get these cars +GLC Coupe, X6 X4 etc.

Part of the decision to buy SUV is obviously ride height but surely the key factor is space for dogs, kids stuff, fishing tackle ,surfboards etc .
Why would you buy an SUV with reduced space ….?

Live and let live clearly there is a market for them just baffled by it .

[seefarr]

RSchneider said:

How can the coupe be heavier than the regular version?? That is simply sloppy engineering. And V6 is the wrong engine for such a car. F**** emission regulations ruining the car industry. Those leftist busybody b****** should just buy their beloved Commie Zhiguli and leave the rest of the world alone!!

Oooh, a climate change denialist? Cool! I thought you were all dead or had moved onto shouting "BREXIT OR DEATH" or blaming Muslims for everything by now?

Somehow, it's comforting to know they still exist - it's sort of like Internet archaeology.

[PomBstard]

Mark-C said:

Maldini35 said:

Cold said:

Andy20vt said:

I thought a Coupe generally had to have just two doors?

Sandpit Steve said:

Isn't a Coupe supposed to have three doors?

Any advance on three?

Too many doors

Surely one is plenty?

Surely four is optimum...

[TWPC]

RelentlessForwardProgress said:

It’s a hatchback... or are we all supposed to drink the kool aid and go along with the nonsensical naming? It’s not only Porsche, but come on, PH, call out this silliness. You are journalists, not industry PR people.

+1

Like the Audi A7 and Q8 are hatchbacks and all those BMW 'Gran Coupe's are hatchbacks.

I find it bizarre that the manufacturers are able to charge a premium for them over the saloon/SUV versions of the cars, though I totally get the utility of the hatchback configuration. What has happened to us?